Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today

[watchingfromafar]

Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today.

To understand why, you need to review the history of our planet.

Our planet was not created by the development of our solar system. Earth came from elsewhere.

As earth, a molten core covered in ice 5.4 miles thick passes by our sun, the suns gravity grabbed earth slinging it into an elliptical orbit, an orbit we are still in today with its axis parallel to the suns.

At least it started out that way but now scientists have discovered that an asteroid hit the earth leaving our planet unlivable except for the smallest of creatures and a 23.5-degree tilt.

Today, the Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. During a cycle that averages about 40,000 years, the tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees.
NASA: Climate Change and Global Warming

The planets tilt is causing the climate changes, not burning oil.

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? – Utah Geological Survey

Scientists & geologists have determined that our planet has gone through four (4) major climate changes or ice retreats leaving behind a scared surface as the ice above slides around over the core melting under the suns glare.

There is nothing we can do to slow down this change. It is inevitable so adapt or do not, the choice is yours alone to make.

Having said all the above what we are doing to combat this climate change is what is saving us; .,.,.,.,.even though this has nothing to do with climate.

We are ending the use of fossil fuels; thinking it is saving our planet when in fact fossil fuels are finite. It has been determined that if we continue to consume fossil fuels at the rate we are consuming today, consumers will suck up and burn what known reserves the world has in 30-40 years.


Save the climate. What do we do--?
Prepare for the end of oil, what do we do-?

It turns out we do the same for both, two birds with one stone.
Switching to electric power to drive our economies while getting off of oil is the right path forward.

The earth is unfolding as it should.

Or so it seems to me
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[fncceo]

You won't think so when COVID mutates to this!

 

[Unkotare]

Haven't you heard? You have to say "climate justice" now. YOU HAVE TO! You don't want to be erased by the New Red Guard, do you? Anyone who runs afoul of the democrat unity is likely to commit 'suicide.'

 

[flacaltenn]

Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today.

To understand why, you need to review the history of our planet.

Our planet was not created by the development of our solar system. Earth came from elsewhere.

As earth, a molten core covered in ice 5.4 miles thick passes by our sun, the suns gravity grabbed earth slinging it into an elliptical orbit, an orbit we are still in today with its axis parallel to the suns.

At least it started out that way but now scientists have discovered that an asteroid hit the earth leaving our planet unlivable except for the smallest of creatures and a 23.5-degree tilt.

Today, the Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. During a cycle that averages about 40,000 years, the tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees.
NASA: Climate Change and Global Warming

The planets tilt is causing the climate changes, not burning oil.

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? – Utah Geological Survey

Scientists & geologists have determined that our planet has gone through four (4) major climate changes or ice retreats leaving behind a scared surface as the ice above slides around over the core melting under the suns glare.

There is nothing we can do to slow down this change. It is inevitable so adapt or do not, the choice is yours alone to make.

Having said all the above what we are doing to combat this climate change is what is saving us; .,.,.,.,.even though this has nothing to do with climate.

We are ending the use of fossil fuels; thinking it is saving our planet when in fact fossil fuels are finite. It has been determined that if we continue to consume fossil fuels at the rate we are consuming today, consumers will suck up and burn what known reserves the world has in 30-40 years.


Save the climate. What do we do--?
Prepare for the end of oil, what do we do-?

It turns out we do the same for both, two birds with one stone.
Switching to electric power to drive our economies while getting off of oil is the right path forward.

The earth is unfolding as it should.

Or so it seems to me
-

It;s all political theater to gain more control over every aspect of our lives. We could END fossil fuels in 3 to 5 years by building out nuclear.. Does it seems strange that "leadership" and the public is MORE SCARED by commercial nuclear power than the end of the world from runaway warming?

Those in charge have NO CLUE how to "fix it". Wind and Solar are NOT "alternatives". They are merely supplements. Can't run an advanced society on just wind and solar and limited hydro. Solar isn't for every region and is only there at reasonable energy for 6 or 9 hours a day depending on the season, the location and the weather. Wind is phenomenally flaky and takes several days in a row off about 2 or 4 times a month, It's there for an hour and gone for 20 minutes next time you look. No amount of batteries or other storage is gonna fix that. And even strong attempts to double/triple the cost of wind/solar with grid scale battery storage is an enviro nightmare in itself.

MANDATING electric vehicles without expanding total grid power by 30% to 40% and TOTALLY re-doing transmission lines is nucking futz.

Nuclear and using wind/solar OFF GRID to make and store hydrogen is a MUCH better option. Hydrogen would be the transportation fuel. Instead of battery vehicles, you have fuel cells to use the hydrogen.

Not enough smarts in politics to figure this out.. They're gonna waste TONS of money and get people killed in the process.

 

[Votto]

Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today.

To understand why, you need to review the history of our planet.

Our planet was not created by the development of our solar system. Earth came from elsewhere.

As earth, a molten core covered in ice 5.4 miles thick passes by our sun, the suns gravity grabbed earth slinging it into an elliptical orbit, an orbit we are still in today with its axis parallel to the suns.

At least it started out that way but now scientists have discovered that an asteroid hit the earth leaving our planet unlivable except for the smallest of creatures and a 23.5-degree tilt.

Today, the Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. During a cycle that averages about 40,000 years, the tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees.
NASA: Climate Change and Global Warming

The planets tilt is causing the climate changes, not burning oil.

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? – Utah Geological Survey

Scientists & geologists have determined that our planet has gone through four (4) major climate changes or ice retreats leaving behind a scared surface as the ice above slides around over the core melting under the suns glare.

There is nothing we can do to slow down this change. It is inevitable so adapt or do not, the choice is yours alone to make.

Having said all the above what we are doing to combat this climate change is what is saving us; .,.,.,.,.even though this has nothing to do with climate.

We are ending the use of fossil fuels; thinking it is saving our planet when in fact fossil fuels are finite. It has been determined that if we continue to consume fossil fuels at the rate we are consuming today, consumers will suck up and burn what known reserves the world has in 30-40 years.


Save the climate. What do we do--?
Prepare for the end of oil, what do we do-?

It turns out we do the same for both, two birds with one stone.
Switching to electric power to drive our economies while getting off of oil is the right path forward.

The earth is unfolding as it should.

Or so it seems to me
-

Not true, all democrats have to do is raise taxes and the earth will be saved.

You'll see!

 

[Votto]

You won't think so when COVID mutates to this!

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What does New York have to do with all this?

 

[watchingfromafar]

Republicon's video of lies & more lies
The creators should be banned from the internet

 

[Sunsettommy]

Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today.

To understand why, you need to review the history of our planet.

Our planet was not created by the development of our solar system. Earth came from elsewhere.

As earth, a molten core covered in ice 5.4 miles thick passes by our sun, the suns gravity grabbed earth slinging it into an elliptical orbit, an orbit we are still in today with its axis parallel to the suns.

At least it started out that way but now scientists have discovered that an asteroid hit the earth leaving our planet unlivable except for the smallest of creatures and a 23.5-degree tilt.

Today, the Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. During a cycle that averages about 40,000 years, the tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees.
NASA: Climate Change and Global Warming

The planets tilt is causing the climate changes, not burning oil.

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? – Utah Geological Survey

Scientists & geologists have determined that our planet has gone through four (4) major climate changes or ice retreats leaving behind a scared surface as the ice above slides around over the core melting under the suns glare.

There is nothing we can do to slow down this change. It is inevitable so adapt or do not, the choice is yours alone to make.

Having said all the above what we are doing to combat this climate change is what is saving us; .,.,.,.,.even though this has nothing to do with climate.

We are ending the use of fossil fuels; thinking it is saving our planet when in fact fossil fuels are finite. It has been determined that if we continue to consume fossil fuels at the rate we are consuming today, consumers will suck up and burn what known reserves the world has in 30-40 years.


Save the climate. What do we do--?
Prepare for the end of oil, what do we do-?

It turns out we do the same for both, two birds with one stone.
Switching to electric power to drive our economies while getting off of oil is the right path forward.

The earth is unfolding as it should.

Or so it seems to me
-

Interesting post, but have to dispute what you wrote here:

We are ending the use of fossil fuels

; thinking it is saving our planet when in fact fossil fuels are finite. It has been determined that if we continue to consume fossil fuels at the rate we are consuming today, consumers will suck up and burn what known reserves the world has in 30-40 years.

Actually it is over 100 years left, some estimates are over 200 years......

 

[whitehall]

Another normal winter with about 5 inches of snow in southwest Va on the last day of Jan.. Tell me again how climate is changing?

 

[skookerasbil]

Doesnt matter for shit if China is continuing to open 2-3 coal plants per month and upping coal production by 50% by 2050.

d0y

You dont go see an ENT when you have a rash all over your body......I guess unless you are a liberal.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Climate Change is a political tool used to control people(socialism) and to loot the taxpayers.
Most people under 30 years old have been taught Climate Change FEAR their whole lives.
They do not understand how they have been manipulated.
Man Made Climate Change is a weak hypothesis that is not worthy of wasting trillions of dollars on.

 

[skookerasbil]

Climate Change is a political tool used to control people(socialism) and to loot the taxpayers.
Most people under 30 years old have been taught Climate Change FEAR their whole lives.
They do not understand how they have been manipulated.
Man Made Climate Change is a weak hypothesis that is not worthy of wasting trillions of dollars on.

Indeed.......but the handful of intellectual cripples who frequent this forum as climate crusaders are true believers. No ability with abstract reasoning.........none. These are the most dangerous mofu's in our society. They see no issue with spending tens of trillions of $$ at home while China is burning coal until the cows come home........as if China was on some other planet

 

[ReinyDays]

Just a small scientific correction to the OP ... axial tilt of the Earth balances in the course of a single year ... however much solar energy is gained during summer will be lost by an equal amount during winter ... thus averaged over an entire year, the amount of energy remains the same ...

This is true for all the Milankovitch cycles ... plus none of the Milankovitch cycles correlate to the glacial/interglacial period ... the closest is the eccentricity cycle which runs at 100,000 year period ... distant enough to the 125,000 year glacial cycle as to be a known "miss" ... climate isn't changing, just slightly warmer ...

 

[gipper]

Just a small scientific correction to the OP ... axial tilt of the Earth balances in the course of a single year ... however much solar energy is gained during summer will be lost by an equal amount during winter ... thus averaged over an entire year, the amount of energy remains the same ...

This is true for all the Milankovitch cycles ... plus none of the Milankovitch cycles correlate to the glacial/interglacial period ... the closest is the eccentricity cycle which runs at 100,000 year period ... distant enough to the 125,000 year glacial cycle as to be a known "miss" ... climate isn't changing, just slightly warmer ...

The pandemic proved AGW is bogus. The planet warmed while pollution ceased, thus proving without doubt that man’s use of fossil fuels isn’t causing the planet to warm. In fact, it appears fossil fuels cool the planet.

The lockdowns and reduced societal activity related to the COVID-19 pandemic affected emissions of pollutants in ways that slightly warmed the planet for several months last year, according to new research led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR).


The counterintuitive finding highlights the influence of airborne particles, or aerosols, that block incoming sunlight. When emissions of aerosols dropped last spring, more of the Sun's warmth reached the planet, especially in heavily industrialized nations, such as the United States and Russia, that normally pump high amounts of aerosols into the atmosphere.

"There was a big decline in emissions from the most polluting industries, and that had immediate, short-term effects on temperatures," said NCAR scientist Andrew Gettelman, the study's lead author. "Pollution cools the planet, so it makes sense that pollution reductions would warm the planet."
COVID-19 lockdowns temporarily raised global temperatures, research shows: Reductions in aerosol emissions had slight warming impact, study finds

 

[Rigby5]

Climate change is not the immediate threat facing us today.

To understand why, you need to review the history of our planet.

Our planet was not created by the development of our solar system. Earth came from elsewhere.

As earth, a molten core covered in ice 5.4 miles thick passes by our sun, the suns gravity grabbed earth slinging it into an elliptical orbit, an orbit we are still in today with its axis parallel to the suns.

At least it started out that way but now scientists have discovered that an asteroid hit the earth leaving our planet unlivable except for the smallest of creatures and a 23.5-degree tilt.

Today, the Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. During a cycle that averages about 40,000 years, the tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees.
NASA: Climate Change and Global Warming

The planets tilt is causing the climate changes, not burning oil.

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages – What are they and what causes them? – Utah Geological Survey

Scientists & geologists have determined that our planet has gone through four (4) major climate changes or ice retreats leaving behind a scared surface as the ice above slides around over the core melting under the suns glare.

There is nothing we can do to slow down this change. It is inevitable so adapt or do not, the choice is yours alone to make.

Having said all the above what we are doing to combat this climate change is what is saving us; .,.,.,.,.even though this has nothing to do with climate.

We are ending the use of fossil fuels; thinking it is saving our planet when in fact fossil fuels are finite. It has been determined that if we continue to consume fossil fuels at the rate we are consuming today, consumers will suck up and burn what known reserves the world has in 30-40 years.


Save the climate. What do we do--?
Prepare for the end of oil, what do we do-?

It turns out we do the same for both, two birds with one stone.
Switching to electric power to drive our economies while getting off of oil is the right path forward.

The earth is unfolding as it should.

Or so it seems to me
-

Right and wrong at the same time.

You are right about the earth's elliptic causing climate changes, but wrong that is the current cause, because orbit influences are about 110k year long cycle. The current climate changes are way too quick to be orbit caused.

You are right we are running out of fossil fuel and we have to switch anyway, but wrong to suggest we switch to electric since electric still is just a manifestation of burning fossil fuel. Coal is the main source of electricity now. Wind, solar, and tidal are too inconsistent, so not practical. Geothermal and tidal are limited practicality. That leaves nuclear or bio fuel. And bio fuel is oil, just not fossilized.

 

[Rigby5]

Interesting post, but have to dispute what you wrote here:



Actually it is over 100 years left, some estimates are over 200 years......

For oil and gas, maybe as little as 20 years, for coal, maybe as many as 500 years.

But electric solves nothing, since we still need an energy source to generate electricity.

 

[Rigby5]

Haven't you heard? You have to say "climate justice" now. YOU HAVE TO! You don't want to be erased by the New Red Guard, do you? Anyone who runs afoul of the democrat unity is likely to commit 'suicide.'

I see your point, but you also have to see that fossil fuel actually should belong to all of us, and the emissions harm all of us, so it can't just be all decided by those wealthy enough to have the equipment to find, drill, and refine it. Short sighted actions to maximize immediate profits can greatly harm long term values.
More social responsibility will become necessary as population densities increase.
There is no way around that.

 

[Rigby5]

Another normal winter with about 5 inches of snow in southwest Va on the last day of Jan.. Tell me again how climate is changing?

The big changes in climate energize weather to cross more mover the normal borders of the 6 local convection bands of the planet.
Weather leaving its normal bounds causes normal highs and lows to be exceeded.
But since weather comes from the NE and goes SE, by the time it gets to VA, it generally has been mixed together.
You are fortunate that you will not perceive much change, ever. But the Arctic has experienced weather about 30 degrees warmer, and Europe is likely to get a drop of about 15 degrees, once the warm Gulf Stream is submerged by cold, light, freshwater, run off from melting Greenland glaciers.

 

[Rigby5]

Just a small scientific correction to the OP ... axial tilt of the Earth balances in the course of a single year ... however much solar energy is gained during summer will be lost by an equal amount during winter ... thus averaged over an entire year, the amount of energy remains the same ...

This is true for all the Milankovitch cycles ... plus none of the Milankovitch cycles correlate to the glacial/interglacial period ... the closest is the eccentricity cycle which runs at 100,000 year period ... distant enough to the 125,000 year glacial cycle as to be a known "miss" ... climate isn't changing, just slightly warmer ...

Agreed the normal ice age/warming climate cycle from orbit eccentricity is 110,000 years long, and never changes.

Currently we are adding an additional warming on top of this cyclic orbit warming, to achieve a super warming that has not happened for over half a billion years.

 

[Rigby5]

The pandemic proved AGW is bogus. The planet warmed while pollution ceased, thus proving without doubt that man’s use of fossil fuels isn’t causing the planet to warm. In fact, it appears fossil fuels cool the planet.

The lockdowns and reduced societal activity related to the COVID-19 pandemic affected emissions of pollutants in ways that slightly warmed the planet for several months last year, according to new research led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR).


The counterintuitive finding highlights the influence of airborne particles, or aerosols, that block incoming sunlight. When emissions of aerosols dropped last spring, more of the Sun's warmth reached the planet, especially in heavily industrialized nations, such as the United States and Russia, that normally pump high amounts of aerosols into the atmosphere.

"There was a big decline in emissions from the most polluting industries, and that had immediate, short-term effects on temperatures," said NCAR scientist Andrew Gettelman, the study's lead author. "Pollution cools the planet, so it makes sense that pollution reductions would warm the planet."
COVID-19 lockdowns temporarily raised global temperatures, research shows: Reductions in aerosol emissions had slight warming impact, study finds

Wrong.

Once you produce and accumulate excess CO2, it does not easily go away.
And once there is CO2 in the upper atmosphere, it retains heat.
Heat from the sun hits the surface, and is reflected or reradiated back out towards space.
If there is no CO2, it just passes through the atmosphere and leaves the planet.
But if there is CO2, it is absorbed and converted into vibratory heat instead of photonic energy.
Vibratory heat can not conduct in a vacuum, so can not leave the planet.
A portion is trapped and accumulates.
Once the excess CO2 exists, all we can do is wait for plants to slowly absorb it.

The heat increase we are feeling now, came from excess carbon emissions from 40 years ago.
The current increase or decrease in emissions won't be noticed for another 40 years or so.
The earth has huge heat sink aspects, like atmosphere convection, ocean currents, glacial/polar phase change, etc.