Zone1 Christendom's Trinity - Where Did It Come From?

[Cougarbear]

these-Matt 24:45= appointed by Jesus.

You're not appointed by Jesus. You have no authority. I have been appointed by Jesus through His Priesthood order.

 

[kjw47]

No, our Father in Heaven created the Godhead long before the universe was created.

Then you can explain to all of us why no trinity was being served prior to 381 ce.

 

[kjw47]

You're not appointed by Jesus. You have no authority. I have been appointed by Jesus through His Priesthood order.

Imagine that.

 

[Cougarbear]

Then you can explain to all of us why no trinity was being served prior to 381 ce.

Let’s be clear, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not support the Catholic and Protestant trinity doctrine. They believe there’s one personage of no form or size that shapeshifts into 3 different entities. LDS do not believe this nonsense.

We do believe that there’s plenty of evidence in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants that there is a Godhead of three as the Bible clearly states. They are three separate personages two of which have now glorified resurrected physical bodies and the third a spirit.

 

[kjw47]

Let’s be clear, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not support the Catholic and Protestant trinity doctrine. They believe there’s one personage of no form or size that shapeshifts into 3 different entities. LDS do not believe this nonsense.

We do believe that there’s plenty of evidence in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants that there is a Godhead of three as the Bible clearly states. They are three separate personages two of which have now glorified resurrected physical bodies and the third a spirit.

what nonsense. So sorry you are being mislead.

 

[Cougarbear]

what nonsense. So sorry you are being mislead.

Why do you believe your dogma in which comes from human scholars without being apostles or prophets? I follow apostles and prophets. Who do you follow? Your own understanding? LOL!!!

 

[Cougarbear]

what nonsense. So sorry you are being mislead.

Why do you believe your dogma in which comes from human scholars without being apostles or prophets? I follow apostles and prophets. Who do you follow? Your own understanding? LOL!!!

 

[kjw47]

Why do you believe your dogma in which comes from human scholars without being apostles or prophets? I follow apostles and prophets. Who do you follow? Your own understanding? LOL!!!

human scholars lead by holy spirit guidance at the proper time( Matt 24:45)
I don't see Gods word calling members of the little flock today-apostles. There were 12 apostles. These will lead the little flock and are members of it as well.

 

[onefour1]

Ephesians 2:19-20
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The Church of Jesus Christ is built upon the foundation of Jesus Christ and Apostles and Prophets.

Ephesians 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

We were to always have Apostles and Prophets until we all come to the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Only through apostasy would the church not have had apostles and prophets.

 

[kjw47]

Ephesians 2:19-20
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The Church of Jesus Christ is built upon the foundation of Jesus Christ and Apostles and Prophets.

Ephesians 4:11-15
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

We were to always have Apostles and Prophets until we all come to the unity of the faith,
and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Only through apostasy would the church not have had apostles and prophets.

Yes Jesus and the apostles--All were taught, served and worshipped the Abrahamic God=YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God.

 

[Cougarbear]

human scholars lead by holy spirit guidance at the proper time( Matt 24:45)
I don't see Gods word calling members of the little flock today-apostles. There were 12 apostles. These will lead the little flock and are members of it as well.

You don't believe in the holy spirit or ghost. Why do you know say you do? There were more than 12 in ancient days. Matthias, Paul and others called as some died. Without apostles(Prophets) there is no authority. They are founders of the Church and instrumental in organizing and establishing the early church. Same would be today with the true Church here amongst us. They are the only authorized by definition ones to represent Jesus with unique authority to prophecy, seering and revelating. All you have are human scholars that aren't apostles so no authority and ability for truth. That's why your scholars claim to the exact date and time of the end of the world was false.

 

[onefour1]

Yes Jesus and the apostles--All were taught, served and worshipped the Abrahamic God=YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God.

And we should still have apostles and prophets in the true church of Jesus Christ today per Ephesians 4:11-15!

 

[BS Filter]

JWs and Mormons are both unscriptural and heretic religions. Jesus is alive and so is the Church. Neither the JW governing body nor the LDS "prophets" are ordained by Jesus.

Jesus is the head of the Church and the Holy Spirit is the teacher. I don't need anything else. That's Scripture.

 

[kjw47]

You don't believe in the holy spirit or ghost. Why do you know say you do? There were more than 12 in ancient days. Matthias, Paul and others called as some died. Without apostles(Prophets) there is no authority. They are founders of the Church and instrumental in organizing and establishing the early church. Same would be today with the true Church here amongst us. They are the only authorized by definition ones to represent Jesus with unique authority to prophecy, seering and revelating. All you have are human scholars that aren't apostles so no authority and ability for truth. That's why your scholars claim to the exact date and time of the end of the world was false.

How do you get by the fact that in every translation on Earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers all the way? Oh sorry you don't know what Jesus teaches that is why you live in darkness, you follow a false prophet who wrote a book over Jesus' words. I am glad to be able to help you see Jesus' truth=Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
John 17:3--This means eternal life, their taking in knowledge of you( Father( YHVH(Jehovah) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and of the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ.----You see no trinitarian on Earth believes Jesus over the darkness. They will lose.

 

[kjw47]

And we should still have apostles and prophets in the true church of Jesus Christ today per Ephesians 4:11-15!

Today there are these= Matt 24:45--lead by Jesus who appointed them.

 

[BS Filter]

How do you get by the fact that in every translation on Earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers all the way? Oh sorry you don't know what Jesus teaches that is why you live in darkness, you follow a false prophet who wrote a book over Jesus' words. I am glad to be able to help you see Jesus' truth=Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
John 17:3--This means eternal life, their taking in knowledge of you( Father( YHVH(Jehovah) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and of the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ.----You see no trinitarian on Earth believes Jesus over the darkness. They will lose.

You both follow false prophets. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. You're both lost.

 

[kjw47]

You both follow false prophets. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. You're both lost.

Jesus is the way the truth and the life to get to the Father. The Father is the destination. The Father=YHVH(Jehovah)--- Trinitarians stop at Jesus because they do not listen to him-Matt 6:33-John 4:22-24

 

[BS Filter]

Jesus is the way the truth and the life to get to the Father. The Father is the destination. The Father=YHVH(Jehovah)--- Trinitarians stop at Jesus because they do not listen to him-Matt 6:33-John 4:22-24

That's what the Watchtower told you, not the Scriptures. Jesus never said anything about the Trinity. That's why the Watchtower is a cult.

 

[DukeU]

I never did understand the concept of a Holy Ghost. What is that anyway?

The Holy Ghost is the power of God in Spirit form.

Jesus never performed one miracle until he was baptized and received the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

Matthew​

Chapter 3​

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[BS Filter]

The Holy Ghost is the power of God in Spirit form.

Jesus never performed one miracle until he was baptized and received the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

Matthew​

Chapter 3​

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Correct. Jesus didn't perform any miracles until He was given the Holy Spirit. Jesus was also the last Old Testament Prophet. He lived under the law. The New Covenant wasn't until Jesus died.