Chilling - Gun confiscations begin in Florida

[Brain357]

This is a very slippery slope, when legislators pass laws that allow local authorities to confiscate guns from individuals based on "criteria" before any crime has been committed.

While we certainly see the benefit IF THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED from murdering people, but none of the people from whom weapons were taken have. And yes, it's a small number of people to begin with. but once the precedent has been set, once Florida gets a Democrat gun grabber governor and legislature all it takes is arbitrary rulings to be added, such as anyone who's ever posted on a forum and seems angry about political circumstances, could be added to the list. Or anyone who supports certain Presidents. Don't ever underestimate the radical Left.

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to give up guns under new law, report says

Here is a link to the full text of the law passed.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

If a person identifies you as potentially harmful through nearly any act or threat of aggression, you could have your guns confiscated.

This is a VERY VERY dangerous law. The state has declared lawyers hired to defend actions by defendants to block these actions cannot be awarded attorneys fees, thereby discouraging attorneys from taking cases where these actions have been initiated.

This should be seen as a shot across the bow to the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable leeway to do large scale confiscations.

This is not dangerous at all. Look at all the mass shootings in FL, now that is dangerous. I'm getting pretty old and have never needed a gun for anything. I'd prefer people not die regularly.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

well, it's over.
the first is being used to remove your second
the state can now steal from you even though you are not a criminal.
a republican state passed this...

RINO now.
Florida recently passed NewYork as the third most populated state.
Unfortunately, 5 million liberals have fled NY, CA and other blue states and have come here.....only to start working on making Florida a carbon copy of the shit holes they left.

Florida is rapidly becoming another God forsaken blue state. Only elections are in the way.
Many of us are looking on leaving because we don't want to live with these psychotic Leftists.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

This is not dangerous at all. Look at all the mass shootings in FL, now that is dangerous. I'm getting pretty old and have never needed a gun for anything. I'd prefer people not die regularly.

Your old age is revealing the loss of cognitive ability unfortunately.

Add up ALL the shootings in LIBERAL shit holes over the last ONE year.....

Now, add up ALL those killed in your "mass shootings" over 50 years......

Your fears and energies are grossly misplaced.
If you really wanted to "save lives" you'd really focus on what your people are doing.

But saving lives was never a priority now was it?

 

[miketx]

Yes, taking guns away from mentally unstable people who have not killed anyone is a travesty. So is denying a drivers license to blind people until that actually run over someone in a crosswalk. Fucking idiot!

Comprehension is not your thing is it?
As was stated if you read, the problem is that this allows too much room for abuse.
Hopefully it will be challenged in court.

But being a sworn gun grabbing. ankle grabbing knee jerking twit, this is probably the best you can do.

Driving is not a Constitutional right and therefore 2nd amendment rights deserve better protection than driving PRIVILEGES. If you didn't have shit for brains you'd figure that out instead of saying such stupid things all the time.

Histrionics are apparently your strong point. By your own admission, you are basing your opposition to this law on a slippery slope logical fallacy. All laws can be abused and are no better than those who enforce them. Should we not have laws against armed robbery because someone might be racially profiled and falsely accused. ?

Yes, driving is not a constitutional right-and neither is being a threat to the public. Comprehension is clearly not YOUR strong point. Maybe you should try penis enlargement to get over your dependence on guns.

lol fairy. If owning guns had anything to do with penis delusions , I would never have bought a revolver with a 2 inch barrel.

 

[2aguy]

This is a very slippery slope, when legislators pass laws that allow local authorities to confiscate guns from individuals based on "criteria" before any crime has been committed.

While we certainly see the benefit IF THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED from murdering people, but none of the people from whom weapons were taken have. And yes, it's a small number of people to begin with. but once the precedent has been set, once Florida gets a Democrat gun grabber governor and legislature all it takes is arbitrary rulings to be added, such as anyone who's ever posted on a forum and seems angry about political circumstances, could be added to the list. Or anyone who supports certain Presidents. Don't ever underestimate the radical Left.

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to give up guns under new law, report says

Here is a link to the full text of the law passed.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

If a person identifies you as potentially harmful through nearly any act or threat of aggression, you could have your guns confiscated.

This is a VERY VERY dangerous law. The state has declared lawyers hired to defend actions by defendants to block these actions cannot be awarded attorneys fees, thereby discouraging attorneys from taking cases where these actions have been initiated.

This should be seen as a shot across the bow to the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable leeway to do large scale confiscations.

In each case the state should be on the hook for the attorney's of the victims of the confiscations. If the state can just take the guns, and then they think allowing you a court date is fair, they are mistaken. Paying for an attorney, one who knows this new law, taking time off from work to deal with this both in and out of court, should be reimbursed by the state. And there should also be an option to sue whoever brought the action against the victim.

 

[2aguy]

This is a very slippery slope, when legislators pass laws that allow local authorities to confiscate guns from individuals based on "criteria" before any crime has been committed.

While we certainly see the benefit IF THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED from murdering people, but none of the people from whom weapons were taken have. And yes, it's a small number of people to begin with. but once the precedent has been set, once Florida gets a Democrat gun grabber governor and legislature all it takes is arbitrary rulings to be added, such as anyone who's ever posted on a forum and seems angry about political circumstances, could be added to the list. Or anyone who supports certain Presidents. Don't ever underestimate the radical Left.

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to give up guns under new law, report says

Here is a link to the full text of the law passed.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

If a person identifies you as potentially harmful through nearly any act or threat of aggression, you could have your guns confiscated.

This is a VERY VERY dangerous law. The state has declared lawyers hired to defend actions by defendants to block these actions cannot be awarded attorneys fees, thereby discouraging attorneys from taking cases where these actions have been initiated.

This should be seen as a shot across the bow to the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable leeway to do large scale confiscations.

This is not dangerous at all. Look at all the mass shootings in FL, now that is dangerous. I'm getting pretty old and have never needed a gun for anything. I'd prefer people not die regularly.

And not one of the shooters would have qualified to have their guns taken......not Pulse, not Parkland....considering in both cases the police already knew how dangerous they were and had the option, currently to take their guns under existing law.

The failure is with your god, "Government," not with current firearm laws.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

In each case the state should be on the hook for the attorney's of the victims of the confiscations. If the state can just take the guns, and then they think allowing you a court date is fair, they are mistaken. Paying for an attorney, one who knows this new law, taking time off from work to deal with this both in and out of court, should be reimbursed by the state. And there should also be an option to sue whoever brought the action against the victim.

Agreed. Did you see that the state SPECIFICALLY says attorneys fees are not to be paid in the statute?

I think the Florida Bar might go after that. We'll see. Unless it's already fully staffed by hoplophobic anti-Constitution leftists.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

And not one of the shooters would have qualified to have their guns taken......not Pulse, not Parkland....considering in both cases the police already knew how dangerous they were and had the option, currently to take their guns under existing law.
The failure is with your god, "Government," not with current firearm laws.

Excellent point. Thank you!

This does nothing but allow government goons more room for Constitution busting illegal confiscations. Imagine when Florida gets a gun grabber governor and legislature. They will then expand the bill to include anyone they "feel" could be the least bit "angry" in any political way....meaning ALL Republicans in their definition. This must be challenged. I'd bet you some of the nearly 500 people they've stolen guns from were no threat.

They could even send the goons to the homes of any Republicans who voiced their opposition to Leftist legislation. Killing free speech by intimidation and fear.

It's no wonder the Left is overjoyed over this.

 

[2aguy]

And not one of the shooters would have qualified to have their guns taken......not Pulse, not Parkland....considering in both cases the police already knew how dangerous they were and had the option, currently to take their guns under existing law.
The failure is with your god, "Government," not with current firearm laws.

Excellent point. Thank you!

This does nothing but allow government goons more room for Constitution busting illegal confiscations.

It's no wonder the Left is overjoyed over this.

If the state has to pay attorneys fees of all the victims, that is a limiting factor on their actions. If they can just scoop up guns and then not worry about how the victim will pay for their defense...... And it should be more than just a public defender, since the victim will not have been charged with a crime.

If the goal is to remove guns from dangerous people, and not law abiding citizens...then left wing gun grabbers should have no problem paying the attorneys fees....right?

 

[skookerasbil]

This is a very slippery slope, when legislators pass laws that allow local authorities to confiscate guns from individuals based on "criteria" before any crime has been committed.

While we certainly see the benefit IF THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED from murdering people, but none of the people from whom weapons were taken have. And yes, it's a small number of people to begin with. but once the precedent has been set, once Florida gets a Democrat gun grabber governor and legislature all it takes is arbitrary rulings to be added, such as anyone who's ever posted on a forum and seems angry about political circumstances, could be added to the list. Or anyone who supports certain Presidents. Don't ever underestimate the radical Left.

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to give up guns under new law, report says

Here is a link to the full text of the law passed.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

If a person identifies you as potentially harmful through nearly any act or threat of aggression, you could have your guns confiscated.

This is a VERY VERY dangerous law. The state has declared lawyers hired to defend actions by defendants to block these actions cannot be awarded attorneys fees, thereby discouraging attorneys from taking cases where these actions have been initiated.

This should be seen as a shot across the bow to the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable leeway to do large scale confiscations.

This is not dangerous at all. Look at all the mass shootings in FL, now that is dangerous. I'm getting pretty old and have never needed a gun for anything. I'd prefer people not die regularly.

Oy

But maybe people who dont live in Scratchmyassville USA like you need a gun....so tough shit in you. It's their constitutional right!

 

[Vastator]

This is a very slippery slope, when legislators pass laws that allow local authorities to confiscate guns from individuals based on "criteria" before any crime has been committed.

While we certainly see the benefit IF THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED from murdering people, but none of the people from whom weapons were taken have. And yes, it's a small number of people to begin with. but once the precedent has been set, once Florida gets a Democrat gun grabber governor and legislature all it takes is arbitrary rulings to be added, such as anyone who's ever posted on a forum and seems angry about political circumstances, could be added to the list. Or anyone who supports certain Presidents. Don't ever underestimate the radical Left.

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to give up guns under new law, report says

Here is a link to the full text of the law passed.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

If a person identifies you as potentially harmful through nearly any act or threat of aggression, you could have your guns confiscated.

This is a VERY VERY dangerous law. The state has declared lawyers hired to defend actions by defendants to block these actions cannot be awarded attorneys fees, thereby discouraging attorneys from taking cases where these actions have been initiated.

This should be seen as a shot across the bow to the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable leeway to do large scale confiscations.

well, it's over.

the first is being used to remove your second

the state can now steal from you even though you are not a criminal.



a republican state passed this...

That’s what makes cache ing so vital. Guns and ammo are cheap, and no one knows what tomorrow will bring...

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Histrionics are apparently your strong point. By your own admission, you are basing your opposition to this law on a slippery slope logical fallacy. All laws can be abused and are no better than those who enforce them. Should we not have laws against armed robbery because someone might be racially profiled and falsely accused. ?

Yes, driving is not a constitutional right-and neither is being a threat to the public. Comprehension is clearly not YOUR strong point. Maybe you should try penis enlargement to get over your dependence on guns.

Spoken like a true, typical ignorant hoplophobic imbecile.
Your only concern is disarming Americans.
Zero concern for Constitutional rights.

And your laughable need to fall back to discussing Penises is pathetic and only serves to show everyone how truly ignorant and classless you are.

Yes Boss. Whatever you say Boss. You the Boss!!

 

[KissMy]

So awful taking guns away from crazy angry idiots.

You know them personally? If not you have no basis in fact for your so called opinion.

Yes I know what it's like to be at the crazies gunpoint & survive. You are clueless on the subject & no-one should consider any opinion you post!

 

[KissMy]

come get them

What's the address?

US Marines barracks, Fort Benning GA, 31905\

Don't knock....

You would be pissing your pants before the thought of where is my gun ever entered your mind!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This is a very slippery slope, when legislators pass laws that allow local authorities to confiscate guns from individuals based on "criteria" before any crime has been committed.

While we certainly see the benefit IF THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED from murdering people, but none of the people from whom weapons were taken have. And yes, it's a small number of people to begin with. but once the precedent has been set, once Florida gets a Democrat gun grabber governor and legislature all it takes is arbitrary rulings to be added, such as anyone who's ever posted on a forum and seems angry about political circumstances, could be added to the list. Or anyone who supports certain Presidents. Don't ever underestimate the radical Left.

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to give up guns under new law, report says

Here is a link to the full text of the law passed.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

If a person identifies you as potentially harmful through nearly any act or threat of aggression, you could have your guns confiscated.

This is a VERY VERY dangerous law. The state has declared lawyers hired to defend actions by defendants to block these actions cannot be awarded attorneys fees, thereby discouraging attorneys from taking cases where these actions have been initiated.

This should be seen as a shot across the bow to the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable leeway to do large scale confiscations.

Wrong.

There is no ‘slippery slope.’

As already correctly noted: your thread fails as a fallacy by the same name.

Like most conservatives you’re a liar, a demagogue, dishonest, and a coward.

This policy is warranted and perfectly Constitutional, recognizes appropriate due process, and in no manner results in the ‘confiscation’ of firearms.

 

[2aguy]

This is a very slippery slope, when legislators pass laws that allow local authorities to confiscate guns from individuals based on "criteria" before any crime has been committed.

While we certainly see the benefit IF THE PERSON WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED from murdering people, but none of the people from whom weapons were taken have. And yes, it's a small number of people to begin with. but once the precedent has been set, once Florida gets a Democrat gun grabber governor and legislature all it takes is arbitrary rulings to be added, such as anyone who's ever posted on a forum and seems angry about political circumstances, could be added to the list. Or anyone who supports certain Presidents. Don't ever underestimate the radical Left.

More than 450 people in Florida ordered to give up guns under new law, report says

Here is a link to the full text of the law passed.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

If a person identifies you as potentially harmful through nearly any act or threat of aggression, you could have your guns confiscated.

This is a VERY VERY dangerous law. The state has declared lawyers hired to defend actions by defendants to block these actions cannot be awarded attorneys fees, thereby discouraging attorneys from taking cases where these actions have been initiated.

This should be seen as a shot across the bow to the 2nd amendment.

Unbelievable leeway to do large scale confiscations.

Wrong.

There is no ‘slippery slope.’

As already correctly noted: your thread fails as a fallacy by the same name.

Like most conservatives you’re a liar, a demagogue, dishonest, and a coward.

This policy is warranted and perfectly Constitutional, recognizes appropriate due process, and in no manner results in the ‘confiscation’ of firearms.

And if you can't afford the lawyer you need to get your guns back? Or the court costs?

They went from "Assault Weapons" being banned to now all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.....and now they are down to even pump action shotguns....so yes, there is a slippery slope. That you deny this truth shows you are an idiot.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In each case the state should be on the hook for the attorney's of the victims of the confiscations. If the state can just take the guns, and then they think allowing you a court date is fair, they are mistaken. Paying for an attorney, one who knows this new law, taking time off from work to deal with this both in and out of court, should be reimbursed by the state. And there should also be an option to sue whoever brought the action against the victim.

Agreed. Did you see that the state SPECIFICALLY says attorneys fees are not to be paid in the statute?

I think the Florida Bar might go after that. We'll see. Unless it's already fully staffed by hoplophobic anti-Constitution leftists.

Exactly how will they go after that? The statute says that the state is not responsible. If you sue someone, you pay your own damn lawyer!

 

[KissMy]

• Paint stripper only kills 1 person a year, yet government will ban it.
• 20 people per year died from electrocution, so government forces us to install expensive GFCI circuits.
• Crazies shoot 100,000 US Citizens every year & Repubtards demand Crazies be Armed to the Max!

 

[2aguy]

• Paint stripper only kills 1 person a year, yet government will ban it.
• 20 people per year died from electrocution, so government forces us to install expensive GFCI circuits.
• Crazies shoot 100,000 US Citizens every year & Repubtards demand Crazies be Armed to the Max!

Wrong......on all counts with guns....


2016

Gun murder.... 11,004



Then you have how many times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop violent criminals..

According to the CDC, 2.4 million times a year.

According to the Department of Justice, 1.5 million times a year.

 

[2aguy]

• Paint stripper only kills 1 person a year, yet government will ban it.
• 20 people per year died from electrocution, so government forces us to install expensive GFCI circuits.
• Crazies shoot 100,000 US Citizens every year & Repubtards demand Crazies be Armed to the Max!

If you want one death to get the government to ban something then you need to have banned cars decades ago...

Gun murder, an intentional act.... 2016.... 11,004

Accidental car death, 2016..... 38,748

Ban cars before you ban guns, since guns have helped us reduce murder and violent crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.