They Said Biden Wouldn’t Come for Our Guns. The Plan Says Otherwise.

[alang1216]

Or maybe you are wrong about what Americans want.

Or maybe I'm not so blinded by ideology that I dismiss the many polls about what Americans want.

In the midst of a recent surge in mass shootings, including a record 46 school shootings in 2022, an April 2023 Fox News poll found registered voters were "overwhelmingly" supportive of a range of gun restrictions. Measures supported by the majority of respondents included criminal background checks (87%), mental health evaluations of prospective gun owners (80%), a 30-day waiting period for every purchase (77%), and a law against civilian ownership of semiautomatic weapons (61%).

 

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Or maybe I'm not so blinded by ideology that I dismiss the many polls about what Americans want.

In the midst of a recent surge in mass shootings, including a record 46 school shootings in 2022, an April 2023 Fox News poll found registered voters were "overwhelmingly" supportive of a range of gun restrictions. Measures supported by the majority of respondents included criminal background checks (87%), mental health evaluations of prospective gun owners (80%), a 30-day waiting period for every purchase (77%), and a law against civilian ownership of semiautomatic weapons (61%).

What did I tell you at the start of this conversation about polls?

If this support is indeed as overwhelming as you claim, then why hasn't legislation already been passed?

And the answer to that is that it makes no sense for the entire nation to jump through hoops because of the bad acts of a few bad actors. Especially since REGISTRATION won't change anything. No case has been made.

 

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alang1216

And if you try to make that case, you will find out just how stupid your argument really is.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Or maybe I'm not so blinded by ideology that I dismiss the many polls about what Americans want.

Why do you believe we live in a democracy?
Why do you refuse to understand the majority, by design, does not always rule?

In the midst of a recent surge in mass shootings....

Oooh... your propaganda source does not know mass shootings are WAY down, on the way to a 11 year low.

 

[alang1216]

Great, then make that argument because I'm not seeing the problem. Just make sure it's an apples to apples comparison. Because after all... all you are wanting is registration, right?

Here is a rigorous and scholarly assessment of gun control in another country.

 

[alang1216]

You have no idea if a unconstitutional restriction on the rights of Americans will "work", but you want to inflict it upon us anyway.
And you wonder why we oppose it.

Gun registration is generally opposed by people, like yourself, that are terrified that it might actually work.

 

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Here is a rigorous and scholarly assessment of gun control in another country.

So what? I need your case for REGISTRATION in America? Or have you changed your mind about what you want? Make the case for REGISTRATION. Where is the needle at now? How much will it move the needle? And what is the cost for that? Is this too hard of a concept to understand? Is what I am asking for unreasonable?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Gun registration is generally opposed by people, like yourself, that are terrified that it might actually work.

Avoided the point, did you?
Tried to change the subject, did you?
Concession accepted.

Tell us why we should accept your unnecessary, ineffective, and unconstitutional restrictions on the exercise of our rights.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Here is a rigorous and scholarly assessment of gun control in another country.

Avoided the point, did you?
Tried to change the subject, did you?
Concession accepted.

 

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I'm not so blinded by ideology

I kind of think you are because you have never looked at the numbers. All you see are one off tragedies and demand something be done about it.

 

[alang1216]

I kind of think you are because you have never looked at the numbers. All you see are one off tragedies and demand something be done about it.

How many one-offs does there have to be for you to care?

 

[M14 Shooter]

How many one-offs does there have to be for you to care?

It does not matter how many there are - there's no rational, reasoned argument as to why we should accept your unnecessary, ineffective, and unconstitutional restrictions on the exercise of our rights.

 

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How many one-offs does there have to be for you to care?

Don't know. You haven't presented any numbers. If your number is 1 then goodbye registration and hello banning and confiscation.

 

[alang1216]

It does not matter how many there are - there's no rational, reasoned argument as to why we should accept your unnecessary, ineffective, and unconstitutional restrictions on the exercise of our rights.

How exactly did you determine my suggestion was unnecessary and ineffective? The constitutionality question is for the courts, not you.

 

[alang1216]

Don't know. You haven't presented any numbers. If your number is 1 then goodbye registration and hello banning and confiscation.

How about we start with 50,000 gun deaths per year and say gun registration would eliminate 10% of them. Is that enough to warrant doing something?

 

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How about we start with 50,000 gun deaths per year and say gun registration would eliminate 10% of them. Is that enough to warrant doing something?

I need a little more information. How about you tell me what the 50,000 gun deaths per year is based upon, what the rate per 100,000 people would be and what the 10% reduction is based upon?

 

[alang1216]

I need a little more information. How about you tell me what the 50,000 gun deaths per year is based upon, what the rate per 100,000 people would be and what the 10% reduction is based upon?

Hypotheticals.

 

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Hypotheticals.

Well... I happen to know what it was in 2013 and it was around 8,000 murders that were committed using firearms. Assuming 330 million citizens that works out to 2.42 gun murders per 100,000 people.

Can you walk me through how registration will eliminate 800 of these deaths per year? Will the victim say, "wait, before you shoot me show me your gun registration?" And will the shooter say, "heck, I don't have one, I guess I can't kill you?"

 

[M14 Shooter]

How exactly did you determine my suggestion was unnecessary and ineffective?

Your inability to demonstrate the necessity for and efficacy of those restrictions.

The constitutionality question is for the courts, not you.

You are trying to convince me, and people like me, to go along with your restrictions.
As such, you need to convince me of their constitutionality.
This means it is very much up to me.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How about we start with 50,000 gun deaths per year and say gun registration would eliminate 10% of them.

You cannot demonstrate this to be true.