ICE Refuses to Release US Citizen.

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Wrong.
The name "America" refers to the same continents regardless of time.
Being born here only gives you "birth right citizenship", which is what Trump is trying to stop.
So if he succeeds, then you and Trump both will no longer be citizens.
You can never be a true native because your ancestors can here illegally and illegally took the land without paying the previous real owners.

The ‘previous owners’ emigrated here, too. What’s more, they had no legal bearing on property ownership. They acquired through force.
I was born here to citizens of America, not to illegal immigrants.

 

[dudmuck]

Wrong.
They NEVER "turned on us" as you claim.
All they asked for was probable cause for arresting Osama bin Laden, and we refused to provide anything.
We also refused their offer to extradite Osama bin Laden to a Moslem country, like Saudi Arabi.

 

[Mac-7]

Before we go any further, what evidence are you intentionally leaving out?

You have obviously been around liberals before

 

[Mac-7]

Lots of citizens do not speak English and do fine.
And you can't blame him for moves that were under his mother's control.

This guy may need a more extensive examination

His documents should be examined by forgery experts before he is released

 

[Mac-7]

What are you complaining about the judge for?
The kid is a fully documented US citizen from birth.

And perhaps you need to read up on the Constitution, because things like immigration are up to Congress and the courts to decide, not presidents.

The judge is not a qualified forgery expert

 

[AZrailwhale]

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A US Citizen born in Georgia is being held in Leon County Jail after being arrested and detained by ICE, despite his mother presenting a valid birth certificate and social security card to a judge.

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, 20, a resident of Grady County, Georgia, was arrested Wednesday after a traffic stop while on his way to work in Tallahassee, the Florida Pheonix reported. He was charged with illegally entering Florida as an "unauthorized alien" under a controversial state law that has previously been temporarily blocked by a federal judge.

Leon County Judge LaShawn Riggans examined his birth certificate and Social Security card, declaring the documents authentic and stating there was no probable cause for the misdemeanor charge.

"In looking at it, and feeling it, and holding it up to the light, the court can clearly see the watermark to show that this is indeed an authentic document," Riggans said.

However, because Lopez-Gomez is under ICE hold, he cannot be released even if the court found no probable cause for his arrest, an attorney for the state said.

"I wanted to tell them, 'Where are you going to take him? He is from here,'" his mother, Sebastiana Gomez-Perez, told reporters in Spanish. "I felt immense helplessness because I couldn't do anything, and I am desperate to get my son out of there," she continued while crying. "It hurts so much. I'm sorry, I can't."

The law, SB 4-C, makes it a misdemeanor for undocumented immigrants to enter Florida "after entering the United States by eluding or avoiding examination or inspection by immigration officers."

A US District Court Judge blocked its enforcement on April 4, calling Lopez-Gomez's detainment into question beyond the fact that he is a US citizen, not an undocumented immigrant.

Lopez-Gomez, who primarily speaks the Indigenous Mayan language Tzotzil, was visibly confused during his hearing. His mother said he had lived in Mexico from age 1 until four years ago, when he returned to Georgia.

"This is very likely a case of racial profiling against a US citizen who can't speak English," said Thomas Kennedy of the Florida Immigrant Coalition.

Lopez-Gomez must now wait up to 48 hours in custody for federal immigration agents to act. His next steps remain uncertain as his family and supporters call for his immediate release.
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Clearly ICE is out of control and in violation of the law.
They should be arrested by the local police for their obvious disregard for the law and rights of citizens.

Here is an image of the mother.

Speaking, read and writing English is a requirement for American citienship. From the USCIS guide:
"

re there any English language requirements for naturalization?​

Yes, there are English language requirements for naturalization. Applicants must demonstrate an intermediate level of English proficiency, which includes the ability to read, write, and speak basic English. In addition, they must pass the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Naturalization Test that includes civics questions and an English language portion.

2. What qualifications must I meet to prove English language ability during the naturalization process?​

In order to prove English language ability during the naturalization process, applicants must demonstrate an intermediate level of English proficiency as determined by a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)-approved English language test. Specifically, applicants must attain a score of at least 50 in speaking, 45 in reading, and 35 in writing."
To be exempt from that requirement, Lopez-Gomez will have to prove he was born in the USA.

 

[Anathema]

Wrong.
Yucatan Mayans are natives, while we Europeans are not.
It is we Europeans who rely on citizenship due to birth right.
The natives do not.
The Mayans used to live in North American, so they have natural citizenship rights if principles were followed.
Without anchor babies, then none of us from Europe would have any citizenship rights.

We Europeans rely on CONQUEST - the concepts they with the biggest gun and most willingness to use it gets to make the rules.

Maybe the Mayans should have focused on building their armies rather than their pyramids.

 

[Meathead]

We Europeans rely on CONQUEST - the concepts they with the biggest gun and most willingness to use it gets to make the rules.

Maybe the Mayans should have focused on building their armies rather than their pyramids.

When two peoples come into contact for the first time with no history of diffusion, it is inevitable that one is more advanced than the other. Just as inevitably one will dominate the other.

 

[Anathema]

When two peoples come into contact for the first time with no history of diffusion, it is inevitable that one is more advanced than the other. Just as inevitably one will dominate the other.

As it should be. The strong thrive and the weak get assimilated. That is just life. Which is why I believe defense and military spending is infinitely more important than social welfare.

 

[Meathead]

As it should be. The strong thrive and the weak get assimilated. That is just life. Which is why I believe defense and military spending is infinitely more important than social welfare.

I was thinking more along the lines of two cultures that have always been separated. In Star Trek for example the Romulans who Humans met and were essentially equals although they evolved independently of each other. The chances of that would be infinitesimally small if not impossible.

Such was the case when the Spanish came across the Aztecs, Mayans and Inca or even more so with the English in Australia and North America.

 

[AZrailwhale]

We Europeans rely on CONQUEST - the concepts they with the biggest gun and most willingness to use it gets to make the rules.

Maybe the Mayans should have focused on building their armies rather than their pyramids.

The Mayans and Aztecs had the most effective armies in their areas. They conquered and enslaved their neighbors.

 

[Hellbilly]

I’m white and I’m a Native American.

What tribe?

 

[Anathema]

I was thinking more along the lines of two cultures that have always been separated. In Star Trek for example the Romulans who Humans met and were essentially equals although they evolved independently of each other. The chances of that would be infinitesimally small if not impossible.

Such was the case when the Spanish came across the Aztecs, Mayans and Inca or even more so with the English in Australia and North America.

You’re right it would be very unusual for two separated cultures to meet each other while they were at exactly the same level of evolution.

I don’t really think the European incursion into North America was two equal level cultures. I also have less sympathy for the native tribes for two reasons…

1. They refused to stand together and repel the invaders, and in fact helped them.

2. The natives already had notions about white invaders from across the ocean in the stories of the eastern Canadian tribes who had repelled the Vikings 600 years earlier.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You have obviously been around liberals before

Indeed. I got my start arguing with leftists on Athens Talks, a defunct comment board that the Athens Banner-Herald (my local newspaper) ran.

Some of them were BS artists, others were liberal but interested in the whole story. I learned from the ones who asked for the whole story.

Ahh, to live in a college town.