Zone1 Catholics Can Believe in Evolution With only one 'Qualification'. - What is that Qualification?

[Donald H]

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin - Wikipedia

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That's more than 100 words by far but it shows that you know the answer. Who will be the first to reveal the short answer?

 

[Donald H]

Here's a hint that may help: Pope Francis: Evolution is real, God did not wave a 'magic wand'

Genesis is proclaimed by the Pope to be 'myth'.

But it's not as simple as just that.

Pope Francis: Evolution is real, God did not wave a 'magic wand'​

Evolution and the Big Bang don't contradict the god's creation. Does that help?

 

[Donald H]

Alright Catholics, it's become obvious that none of you want to state the simple qualification or condition that the flock must adhere to if the choose to accept Darwinian evolution over the creation 'myth'. So here it is:

In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that God created all things and that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces.

God created all things.

And if that poses a contradiction for some Catholics then they need to pray harder and more often.
Now why was that so hard to say? Ding even needed to post 20 duplicate posts, attempting to change the subject!!

 

[Mashmont]

The title of this thread should tell you what i'm driving at!

Yes, you keep saying 'qualification' but you never say what it is. I thought it might be the one I mentioned, about not regarding a day as a manmade 24-hour earth day, but apparently not. So go ahead and tell us.

 

[ding]

That's more than 100 words by far but it shows that you know the answer. Who will be the first to reveal the short answer?

I can't put anything past you. When you are done jerking yourself off let me know.

 

[Donald H]

I can't put anything past you. When you are done jerking yourself off let me know.

I'm finding that we don't have anything left over which we disagree. We've reached the point at which all we don't have in common is our choice on how we face the contradictions of Christianity.

I choose to reject all of it and so can find peace with my intellect.

You are left with all the questions and contradictions. I will sit back mostly now, to watch your attempts to deal with it.

 

[Donald H]

Yes, you keep saying 'qualification' but you never say what it is. I thought it might be the one I mentioned, about not regarding a day as a manmade 24-hour earth day, but apparently not. So go ahead and tell us.

No, I have no difficulty accepting the length of a day. In fact it couldn't have been a 24 hour day.

I've since given up on hearing the answer from any Catholic and have stated the precondition of the CC myself.

It's simply that you can accept all of Darwinian evolution as long as you believe that your god created everything.

Do you need to pursue that explanation further or can you follow Ding's and Meri's example of just placing the whole question on your back burner for the rest of your life?

 

[DGS49]

No, I have no difficulty accepting the length of a day. In fact it couldn't have been a 24 hour day.

I've since given up on hearing the answer from any Catholic and have stated the precondition of the CC myself.

It's simply that you can accept all of Darwinian evolution as long as you believe that your god created everything.

Do you need to pursue that explanation further or can you follow Ding's and Meri's example of just placing the whole question on your back burner for the rest of your life?

Not to be insulting, but you are coming across as an idiot here. Rational Catholics believe that Genesis is allegorical. It is not a literal history and not intended as factual. It is a parable that explains the origins of the universe and humanity for people who have no clue about science. To illustrate in a vulgar way, you don't tell your six-year-old son that you fucked his mother, and that's how he came to be. You tell him that "Daddy planted a seed in Mommy's belly," and leave it at that. It is all he can comprehend. Genesis. It ain't complicated.

There is NO CONTRADICTION between believing that "God" is the creator as alluded to in Genesis, and that God used the mechanism of natural selection to populate the various species on earth.

You seem to want a vicarious problem for believing Catholics that we Catholics simply do not have.

 

[Donald H]

Not to be insulting, but you are coming across as an idiot here. Rational Catholics believe that Genesis is allegorical. It is not a literal history and not intended as factual. It is a parable that explains the origins of the universe and humanity for people who have no clue about science.

Some believe Genesis to be allegorical and some believe it to be a factual account. The ones who believe it to be a factual account could now be a minority.

The large majority of both sides prefer to not say. You're brave and you're obviously a deeper thinker than most Christians.

To illustrate in a vulgar way, you don't tell your six-year-old son that you fucked his mother, and that's how he came to be. You tell him that "Daddy planted a seed in Mommy's belly," and leave it at that. It is all he can comprehend. Genesis. It ain't complicated.

There is NO CONTRADICTION between believing that "God" is the creator as alluded to in Genesis, and that God used the mechanism of natural selection to populate the various species on earth.

You seem to want a vicarious problem for believing Catholics that we Catholics simply do not have.

We can agree that Genesis is all just nonsense that was written for the masses in a time when most people's level of intelligence could accept it.

How can we bring out the true believers who are taking part here from the security of their closets? They still have to be at least half of Americans?

 

[ding]

I'm finding that we don't have anything left over which we disagree. We've reached the point at which all we don't have in common is our choice on how we face the contradictions of Christianity.

I choose to reject all of it and so can find peace with my intellect.

You are left with all the questions and contradictions. I will sit back mostly now, to watch your attempts to deal with it.

I see you aren't quite finished. Jerk on.

 

[Votto]

Wow, really?

What other firmly established science do you want to deny?

Gravity? Newton was proven wrong a long time ago.

Darwin was not proven wrong?

Darwin referred to whites as the “highest races" and black folk he referred to as the "lowest savages”. Also, Darwin said they differ in “moral disposition … and in intellect”. Darwin's conclusion was that white people are more intelligent and moral persists throughout. At one point, Darwin says that savages have “low morality,” “insufficient powers of reasoning,” and “weak power of self-command”

But you believe this stuff, don't you.

But it is of no surprise that Lefties love Darwin after reading Karl Marx. The ***** word begins with an N, and ends with an R, with two g's between them.

“The Jewish ****** Lassalle who, I’m glad to say, is leaving at the end of this week, has happily lost another 5,000 talers in an ill-judged speculation. The chap would sooner throw money down the drain than lend it to a ‘friend,’ even though his interest and capital were guaranteed. … It is now quite plain to me—as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify—that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a ******). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also ******-like.” Karl Marx, “Marx to Friedrich Engels in Manchester,” 1862

 

[Donald H]

Darwin was not proven wrong?

None of which takes away the Pope's permission for the flock to believe in Darwinian evolution. At the same time as they believe that the god created everything!

It's sort of inventing a new meaning the the word, 'everything'.

That's where the Christians will try to go next!l

But we've accomplished a lot already so they can all sleep on it!

 

[ding]

None of which takes away the Pope's permission for the flock to believe in Darwinian evolution. At the same time as they believe that the god created everything!

It's sort of inventing a new meaning the the word, 'everything'.

That's where the Christians will try to go next!l

But we've accomplished a lot already so they can all sleep on it!

What have you accomplished?

 

[ding]

I choose to reject all of it and so can find peace with my intellect.

What was the highest level of education you attained?

What is/was your profession?

I'm quite curious as to why you believe anyone should desire receiving your wisdom?

 

[Donald H]

What have you accomplished?

If Catholics who are not yet fully secure with their beliefs, I've given them lots to think about. I'm pretty sure that the majoriity of Catholics weren't aware that their church accepts Darwinian evolution. Why would it matter to them?

 

[Donald H]

What was the highest level of education you attained?

What is/was your profession?

I'm quite curious as to why you believe anyone should desire receiving your wisdom?

I don't detect any attempt by you to act appropriately. Your questions here are meant to set your ground work for more personal attacks.

For now I'll just tell you that what I say in this discussion, doesn't come from my profession. You could say that it comes from life's experiences and logical thinking. There's no room for any 'faith' in my education.

That's no less authority than the Catholic's Pope who can only rely on faith.

 

[ding]

If Catholics who are not yet fully secure with their beliefs, I've given them lots to think about. I'm pretty sure that the majoriity of Catholics weren't aware that their church accepts Darwinian evolution. Why would it matter to them?

Which Catholics aren't fully secure in their beliefs? What have you given them to think about? Why do you believe Catholics aren't aware they don't have to read Genesis literally? Do you know any Catholics that read Genesis literally?

 

[ding]

I don't detect any attempt by you to act appropriately. Your questions here are meant to set your ground work for more personal attacks.

For now I'll just tell you that what I say in this discussion, doesn't come from my profession. You could say that it comes from life's experiences and logical thinking. There's no room for any 'faith' in my education.

That's no less authority than the Catholic's Pope who can only rely on faith.

No, I'm trying to establish your qualifications. Your positions are so horribly wrong I'm questioning your qualifications to tell anyone anything about their religion. It's their religion, not yours. It's idiotic to believe you would know anything about our beliefs and the things you say bear that out.

 

[Donald H]

Do you know any Catholics that read Genesis literally?

Yes, I do but I haven't heard any Catholics say that Genesis is bogus or not to be believed. It's going to take years for the transformation will be complete.

 

[Donald H]

No, I'm trying to establish your qualifications. Your positions are so horribly wrong I'm questioning your qualifications to tell anyone anything about their religion. It's their religion, not yours. It's idiotic to believe you would know anything about our beliefs and the things you say bear that out.

I depend on info from the Catholics themselves.