Breaking News - Israel launches ground offensive in Gaza

The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders.

If it was "Israel" it would have borders. But it had armistice lines just like the other two occupations.

Yes, they were cease fire lines. I know they were not meant to be borders. How is that relevant? Israel now has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan, which you cannot dispute. You are making absolutely no sense.
Show me one, just ONE link that says that the Armistice lines 'separated Palestine into three areas of occupation' .

How can you have three things defined the same way and one be different from the other two?

I didn't understand the first question in your post...

Israel never legally acquired the land that it controls. That would make it an occupation.

This is another one of your lies that has been dismantled by Rocco dozens of times.
Acquiring land is a real estate issue. Israel legally declared independence on the land allotted to the Jews in resolution 181 ( Rocco and I have shown you several links that say this, but you still deny it , followed by asking irrelevant questions)
You claim that Israel needed to have acquired the land to declare independence on it legally. That is a P.F Tinmore prerequisite to legally declare independence. You made it up.
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.
 
This is because Pali-suckers live in a Unicorn world, where Jooz are evil and Allah grants muslims the right to commit any atrocity they want, all in the named of their Koran and Hadith. Takiyyah, takkiyah, takkiya..

*spit*
 
Yes, they were cease fire lines. I know they were not meant to be borders. How is that relevant? Israel now has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan, which you cannot dispute. You are making absolutely no sense.
Show me one, just ONE link that says that the Armistice lines 'separated Palestine into three areas of occupation' .

How can you have three things defined the same way and one be different from the other two?

I didn't understand the first question in your post...

Israel never legally acquired the land that it controls. That would make it an occupation.

This is another one of your lies that has been dismantled by Rocco dozens of times.
Acquiring land is a real estate issue. Israel legally declared independence on the land allotted to the Jews in resolution 181 ( Rocco and I have shown you several links that say this, but you still deny it , followed by asking irrelevant questions)
You claim that Israel needed to have acquired the land to declare independence on it legally. That is a P.F Tinmore prerequisite to legally declare independence. You made it up.
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.


They refuse to recognize the difference between an Sovereign Nation and a Territory.
Israel was always a Nation.
Palestine was never a Nation it was a Territory.
The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land. The name "Palestine" was invented in the year 135 C.E.
 
You know, even if it was the case, Billo, I believe Jews and Arabs could have solved this thing in 1948, if only they decided to sit around the table and sort it out like civilized people.

The Jews would have agreed to it.
Jews, yes. Zionists, no.

Even the Zionists. The Zionist would have tolerated any initiative that grants independence to the Jews, even with 30% of the historic Israel.

We could have solved it like regular civilized people


Arabs prefered to try and force themselves and act like a bunch of chimps.

And as the saying goes.... "A fool may throw a stone into a well which a hundred wise men cannot pull out"
 
You know, even if it was the case, Billo, I believe Jews and Arabs could have solved this thing in 1948, if only they decided to sit around the table and sort it out like civilized people.

The Jews would have agreed to it.
Jews, yes. Zionists, no.

Even the Zionists. The Zionist would have tolerated any initiative that grants independence to the Jews, even with 30% of the historic Israel.

We could have solved it like regular civilized people

"You must spread some reputation around more before giving it to Lipush again"

^^^This is really the heart of the history of the issue. However the issue at hand now is this. If you have this going on (granted I know that the below video is over a year old):

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpMMipr_ghw]Life under Hamas rocket attacks - YouTube[/ame]

Do you:
  1. Sit back and let it happen because you have a superior missile defense system or
  • Defend yourself and try to stop the threats?
 
Yes, they were cease fire lines. I know they were not meant to be borders. How is that relevant? Israel now has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan, which you cannot dispute. You are making absolutely no sense.
Show me one, just ONE link that says that the Armistice lines 'separated Palestine into three areas of occupation' .

How can you have three things defined the same way and one be different from the other two?

I didn't understand the first question in your post...

Israel never legally acquired the land that it controls. That would make it an occupation.

This is another one of your lies that has been dismantled by Rocco dozens of times.
Acquiring land is a real estate issue. Israel legally declared independence on the land allotted to the Jews in resolution 181 ( Rocco and I have shown you several links that say this, but you still deny it , followed by asking irrelevant questions)
You claim that Israel needed to have acquired the land to declare independence on it legally. That is a P.F Tinmore prerequisite to legally declare independence. You made it up.
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

Horsecrap, Rocco has never refuted anything I have posted. He posts a lot of irrelevant stuff, But he does not answer my questions because the answers would prove that I am correct regularly brings up resolution as you just have,

So, What about resolution 181?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D66JSmgiUI]Who Said Israel Has a Right to Exist? - YouTube[/ame]

She is saying the same thing that I have been saying for years.
 
"She is saying the same thing that I have been saying for years."


Tinny, it doesn't matter how many daft bints want to claim 'Israel's existence is illegal': it doesn't make it true, or a valid argument.

Nor is it relevant 'where' Israelis came from - because over 60% of total Israeli citizens are Arabs today.
 
How can you have three things defined the same way and one be different from the other two?

I didn't understand the first question in your post...

Israel never legally acquired the land that it controls. That would make it an occupation.

This is another one of your lies that has been dismantled by Rocco dozens of times.
Acquiring land is a real estate issue. Israel legally declared independence on the land allotted to the Jews in resolution 181 ( Rocco and I have shown you several links that say this, but you still deny it , followed by asking irrelevant questions)
You claim that Israel needed to have acquired the land to declare independence on it legally. That is a P.F Tinmore prerequisite to legally declare independence. You made it up.
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

Horsecrap, Rocco has never refuted anything I have posted. He posts a lot of irrelevant stuff, But he does not answer my questions because the answers would prove that I am correct regularly brings up resolution as you just have,

So, What about resolution 181?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D66JSmgiUI]Who Said Israel Has a Right to Exist? - YouTube[/ame]

She is saying the same thing that I have been saying for years.

Sure he has. You just refuse to accept it, because of your immaturity. In fact, just about all of your claims concerning Israel and Palestine are false.
You can't just make up crap like 'all of Israel is occupied'.
Sovereign states are not occupied. Even the PA recognizes Israel proper.

And again, the 'Israel never acquired the land' is something you made up. That is your pre requisite to becoming a state.
Unless you have a vid link that says Israel needed to have acquired the land to declare independence.....
 
BTW, that women saying Israel has no right to exist is a loon. What she forgot to mention is that 'Palestine' used resolution 181 to declare independence in 1988 as well :lol:

Also, both Rocco and have, on many occasions posted links that resolution 181 was used cor both DOI. But you ignore those links because they dismantle your lies.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

This is the same argument, that the Arab Palestinian has been mustering for more than half a century. It is, as Ms Lamis Deek and our friend PF Tinmore, does Israel have the right to exist?

Both Ms Deek and PF Tinmore, claim that Israel "does not have" the “right to exist as a Jewish state." Well, in a sense, this is a larger question as to the criteria under which any nation has the right to exist.

She is saying the same thing that I have been saying for years.
(COMMENT)

The question is a "moot point" (an impractical discussion or irrelevant to the reality); Israel does exist as a Jewish State. The Arab Palestinian has never had an exclusive right to the regional area called Palestine, or an exclusive right to self-determination. Whatever right the Arab Palestinian can claim to have, is mirrored in the rights held by the Israeli in their history of independence and self-rule in the territory now commonly described as Israel; holding a very distinct culture, and having demonstrated the will and capability to establish, defend and maintain governance. Either all peoples have the right to self-determination, including the Israeli, or the "right" is illusionary. If the "right of self-determination" has a boundary, it is that it is a "right" held by the people and not a governing body. And the Jewish People of Israel (the Israeli), has made a determination - for all to see.

The "right to existence" is the inverse function of the hard law pertaining to the prohibition on "Genocide" (Article 6, Rome Statutes, International Criminal Court, meaning applied to the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group). The Arab Palestinian can claim not right to existence that does not equally apply to the Israeli.

The matter of General Assembly Resolution 181(II), is equally a "moot point" in that the argument is based on the assumption that the Resolution was not recognized by the UN Security Council. However, it should be noted that the UN Security Council did recommend to the General Assembly that it admit Israel to membership in the United Nations (S/RES/69 (1949) S/1277 4 March 1949), after the Security Council received and considered the application of Israel (S/1093 29 November 1948) which was made pursuant to Part I Section F, of General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of November 29, 1947 (" the Jewish State as envisaged in this plan has become effective and the declaration and undertaking, as envisaged in this plan, have been signed by either of them, sympathetic consideration").

On the matter of the legitimacy of General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of November 29, 1947; it was recognized by the Arab Palestinian via its use by the sole representative of the Palestinian People in their Declaration of Independence of 1988 ("on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947"), acknowledged again by the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations (A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999)("forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable"), and is used as a principle reference ("Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947") in the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly 67/19 (A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012) Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the UN accorded to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations. The international recognition of the Resolution has been there all along, and is still used today. It is recognized the hard lined Islamic Resistance Extremist (both Jihadist and Fedayeen) simply refuse to recognize the legitimacy; but, that is the very nature of extremist.

The rights of self-determination cannot exist for the Arab Palestinian without applying equally to the Israeli. Either they both have the "right" or neither has the "right." It matters not, it is a poor argument. The Jewish State of Israel does exist (today) as a successful, thriving and prosperous - self-governing concern. The State of Palestine, exits (today) --- largely as a failed state.

Today, there are two-states, a successfully Jewish State and a failed Arab State. Forget what Ms Deek has to say; she is nothing more than a virtual victim that is lost on the path to peace resolution. Either the Arab Palestinian wants to turn the situation around and become a successful, thriving and prosperous - self-governing concern --- OR --- they want to continue on the path of a failed state.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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P F Tinmore, et al,

This is the same argument, that the Arab Palestinian has been mustering for more than half a century. It is, as Ms Lamis Deek and our friend PF Tinmore, does Israel have the right to exist?

Both Ms Deek and PF Tinmore, claim that Israel "does not have" the “right to exist as a Jewish state." Well, in a sense, this is a larger question as to the criteria under which any nation has the right to exist.

Probably because it is true.

A state, or government if you will, has no rights. It is the people who have rights. A government constituted by the will of the people is merely an extension of the rights of the people.

Palestine is a nation of people inside a territory defined by international borders. Palestine is their country. As a nation of people inside a defined territory they have the right to:
Self determination without external interference.​
Independence and sovereignty.​
Territorial integrity.​
The Palestinians, and only the Palestinians, have the right to establish a government and declare a state inside their international borders without external interference.

Israel is an alien domination of Palestine. Israel was declared by the foreign Jewish Agency that was created in Zurich be the foreign World Zionist Organization. Its intended population was foreign settlers who were imported by the Zionists to populate the planned Jewish state.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. Israel was created with the virtual unanimous opposition of the native population and has never had the support of the majority of people.

Outside the UN during the statehood vote.

You gotta love Palestinian women.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2nWVM_Ehbo]Lamis Deek Incites Intifada at the Palestinian "statehood" Protest - YouTube[/ame]
 
Right now in Israel's ground operation, Israel is shelling a hospital from a tank.

Mohammed Omer *@Mogaza

#Israel tankshell hit ICU at Aqsa hospital, 5 killed so far and 16 injured. hospital is under shelling now, central #Gaza

22 minutes ago

Gaza / Current.ly
 
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price for what?

First, for kidnapping the 3 boys, which was what started the escalation.

Second, for their arrogance and abusing of both Israeli and Palestinian civilians.
The three boys were kidnapped in Hebron, I had understood, and do we know by whom? Why would we assume it was Hamas?

Also, how have they abused civilians?

And thirdly, are the people of Gaza to pay the price for what Hamas does, even assuming your above assertions could be proven?




"....do we know by whom? Why would we assume it was Hamas?"

The Amish?
 
First, for kidnapping the 3 boys, which was what started the escalation.

Second, for their arrogance and abusing of both Israeli and Palestinian civilians.
The three boys were kidnapped in Hebron, I had understood, and do we know by whom? Why would we assume it was Hamas?

Also, how have they abused civilians?

And thirdly, are the people of Gaza to pay the price for what Hamas does, even assuming your above assertions could be proven?


Hamas is the government of "Palestine" and therefore IS 'palestine' and 'palestinians'----
just as the islamo Nazi hero adolf hitler was Germany and the german people----his bunker
in berlin justified the bombing of berlin -----lots of innocents died. The sophistry offered
by islamo Nazi pigs in order to justify their filth has amazed me since I was a child and MAD
MAGAZINE first hit the------'candy store' Always remember the word "PROVE"------
it is much used by islamo Nazi sluts-------as they dance and wiggle their fat asses opon
the dead bodies of infants murdered by their "brothers"-------they snarl "prove he did it"
 
Boy, oh boy, how people have forgotten was for murderous criminals Hamas adherents are.


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They took over Gaza in 2006/2007 and the first order of business was to throw Fatah adherents from tall buildings to their deaths:

LiveLeak.com - Hamas throwing Fatah member off roof in Gaza

So, for all the Pali lovers out there, if they are willing to admit that "Palestinians" in Gaza are being oppressed by Hamas, then I can buy their argument that somehow, Israel is attacking civilians.

If not, then it's all bullshit.
 
Boy, oh boy, how people have forgotten was for murderous criminals Hamas adherents are.


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They took over Gaza in 2006/2007 and the first order of business was to throw Fatah adherents from tall buildings to their deaths:

LiveLeak.com - Hamas throwing Fatah member off roof in Gaza

So, for all the Pali lovers out there, if they are willing to admit that "Palestinians" in Gaza are being oppressed by Hamas, then I can buy their argument that somehow, Israel is attacking civilians.

If not, then it's all bullshit.

if a person is under 14, as 40% of Gaza is, do you think they view Hamas or Israel's actions as the bad guys?

Hamas hasn't killed their family or blown up their house. Hamas hasn't left them maimed and without a hospital. Hamas is fighting against those that have.

so you need to ask yourself - is israel really doing the right thing by causing so much death and destruction?
 
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