Breaking News - Israel launches ground offensive in Gaza

[toastman]

And why is this occupation? Because Israel won territory from Egypt (the Gaza Strip) and Jordan (the West Bank) in a defensive war where Israel was attacked from all sides.

And why should Israel be nice to Arab countries who want to destroy Israel and the Jews?

The war started with Israeli tanks crossing into Egypt, so it wasn't a defensive war.



And ever since the end of WWII, holding onto land seized in a war, has been outlawed.

Israel's strategy has always been offensive defense, because the country is too small to really defend. If Israel didn't attack, they would have been destroyed, so it was defensive

Israel is smart when it comes to warfare. Unlike other countries, they don't wait until they are physically attacked to strike.
Thank God Israel struck Egypt pre emptively....

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel's strategy has always been offensive defense, because the country is too small to really defend. If Israel didn't attack, they would have been destroyed, so it was defensive

Oh please, Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME, so don't give me that lame ass mantra about them being destroyed. There isn't a single country in the ME that has the military capability to do that and the last time anyone tried, they got their ass whipped in less than a week.

BTW, there's no such thing as an "offensive defense". That is considered aggression, which is no different than Hitler sending troops into Poland.

 

[Billo_Really]

You know, even if it was the case, Billo, I believe Jews and Arabs could have solved this thing in 1948, if only they decided to sit around the table and sort it out like civilized people.

The Jews would have agreed to it.

Jews, yes. Zionists, no.

 

[Crystalclear]

Israel's strategy has always been offensive defense, because the country is too small to really defend. If Israel didn't attack, they would have been destroyed, so it was defensive

Oh please, Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME, so don't give me that lame ass mantra about them being destroyed. There isn't a single country in the ME that has the military capability to do that and the last time anyone tried, they got their ass whipped in less than a week.



BTW, there's no such thing as an "offensive defense". That is considered aggression, which is no different than Hitler sending troops into Poland.

Poland didn't want to kill all the Germans. Israel was in self-defense,

 

[toastman]

Until the truth changes.

What truth? Show me one link that says 'the Armistice lines separated Palestine into 3 areas of occupation'

The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders.

If it was "Israel" it would have borders. But it had armistice lines just like the other two occupations.

Yes, they were cease fire lines. I know they were not meant to be borders. How is that relevant? Israel now has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan, which you cannot dispute. You are making absolutely no sense.
Show me one, just ONE link that says that the Armistice lines 'separated Palestine into three areas of occupation' .

 

[Billo_Really]

I'm going to have to check out of this lovely discussion for a while.

I got my paycheck today and need to go spend some.

The day I get paid, is the day I get............well, never mind.

 

[Phoenall]

so when does israel pay the price for kidnapping the palestinian teen?

and is the 200+ dead and 1500+ wounded not payment enough?

how many palestinian lives and homes does it take to pay for an israeli teen?

The ones who killed that boy will be self for life imprisonment. I think it's how it should be dealt with, in a sane country?

For your next question, it's not about who died up till now. It's about what happened TODAY. 13 terrorists were spotted about to attack a Jewish village, they digged the terror tunnle from Gaza, dozens would have been killed if were not spotted.

The IDF enters gaza to destroy the tunnles.

That has nothing to do with the victims so far. It is about guarantee the safetly of the civilians who might suffer the result of terror activities through those tunnles.

Get me, now?

no, i don't.

how many palestinian lives will it take to pay for the deaths of 3 teens that may or may not have been killed by hamas?

the israeli killer gets life in prison - so that's no israeli lives for a palestinian teen.

what is your exchange rate?

According to hamas calculations 1 Israeli is worth 2,000 Palestinians, so the death toll stands at 5 Israelis and 283 Palestinians. Can you do the math or do you need some help. A clue the hamas calculation is 10,000 Palestinians for the 5 Israelis so start from there.

Israel is civilised it put murderers away for life, it does not beat them till their flesh is soft and then eat them like the Palestinians do


The same as that used by hamas 2,0000 Palestinians for 1 Isreali ( yes even 1 arab muslim Israeli )

 

[toastman]

Israel's strategy has always been offensive defense, because the country is too small to really defend. If Israel didn't attack, they would have been destroyed, so it was defensive

Oh please, Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME, so don't give me that lame ass mantra about them being destroyed. There isn't a single country in the ME that has the military capability to do that and the last time anyone tried, they got their ass whipped in less than a week.

BTW, there's no such thing as an "offensive defense". That is considered aggression, which is no different than Hitler sending troops into Poland.

LOL again with the Hitler comparison?? Don't you realize by now that you are not helping yourself by making the same old Nazi comparisons??

And the poster you quoted was referring to a period of time BEFORE Israel has nuclear missiles. Either way, having nukes has still not stopped others from attacking Israel, so what's your point?
It's not like Israel would ever use them anyway, unless they were nukes first.

 

[Phoenall]

REALLY?!?!?! How many people were killed?

Thanks to the Iron Dome techonology, only one.

Maybe the Palestinians should built an iron dome for themselves.

they can't even get concrete to build houses - thanks to israel.

Yet they can get enough to build tunnels to go out and kidnap Israelis. That is what the Israeli ground troops are doing collapsing the tunnels on the Palestinians trapped inside.

And just recently they built a grand shopping Mall and country clubs for the hamas leadership, along with private swimming pools. So blame hamas for stealing all the concrete.

 

[toastman]

I'm going to have to check out of this lovely discussion for a while.

I got my paycheck today and need to go spend some.

The day I get paid, is the day I get............well, never mind.

In other words, you're buying the beers tonight? Nice.
I'll have a Molson Canadian beer please...

 

[Phoenall]

REALLY?!?!?! How many people were killed?

Doesn't matter, the fact that they are trying to kill civilians is all it takes. Whether or not they suck at it is immaterial.

they should take lessons from the idf. they're great at killing civilians.

And of course you have definitive proof that they were all civilians killed by the IDF. And not terrorists, militia and faked pictures from Syria, Lebanon and Serbia ?

Or are you just repeating ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

 

[P F Tinmore]

What?? Egypt offered a cease fire. Israel accepted. Hamas didn't. Do you agree with them?

It was written by the US/Israeli toadies in Egypt to benefit Israel.

Of course the should have rejected it.

HAHAHAHAHA of course you have some pathetic reason to justify it.

The cease fire would have meant no more fighting between the two (for now).

So you're basically saying you are in favour of war.

True, but what does that mean?

 

[toastman]

It was written by the US/Israeli toadies in Egypt to benefit Israel.

Of course the should have rejected it.

HAHAHAHAHA of course you have some pathetic reason to justify it.

The cease fire would have meant no more fighting between the two (for now).

So you're basically saying you are in favour of war.

True, but what does that mean?

As usual, you ask the wrong questions. You just asked what does a temporary cessation between the two mean??
It means exactly what it says. It would have saved many Palestinian lives, that's for sure..

 

[Daniyel]

It was written by the US/Israeli toadies in Egypt to benefit Israel.

Of course the should have rejected it.

HAHAHAHAHA of course you have some pathetic reason to justify it.

The cease fire would have meant no more fighting between the two (for now).

So you're basically saying you are in favour of war.

True, but what does that mean?

You are no better than the Hamas voters which cost the innocent life by motivating and promoting violence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What truth? Show me one link that says 'the Armistice lines separated Palestine into 3 areas of occupation'

The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders.

If it was "Israel" it would have borders. But it had armistice lines just like the other two occupations.

Yes, they were cease fire lines. I know they were not meant to be borders. How is that relevant? Israel now has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan, which you cannot dispute. You are making absolutely no sense.
Show me one, just ONE link that says that the Armistice lines 'separated Palestine into three areas of occupation' .

How can you have three things defined the same way and one be different from the other two?

Israel never legally acquired the land that it controls. That would make it an occupation.

 

[Crystalclear]

And how would you feel when being attacked for a long time by terrorist organisations and neighbouring countries?

if that's your defense how do you think the average palestinian feels, having experienced fare more death and destruction at the hands of israelis than any israeli has felt at the hands of palestinians?

It's terrible for the average Palestinians, but they can better blame Egypt and Jordan for fighting wars that have affected the Palestinians. If they just could live together in a peaceful way with Israel, there wouldn't have been the wars in which Palestinians are driven in refugee camps.

 

[Crystalclear]

There were 2 states in Palestine, until the West Bank was taken over by Jordan and the Gaza Strip by Egypt. They lost the Six Day War from Israel and lost their territories. If those 2 countries didn't start a war, Israel wouldn't have occupied those territories.

 

[peach174]

HAHAHAHAHA of course you have some pathetic reason to justify it.

The cease fire would have meant no more fighting between the two (for now).

So you're basically saying you are in favour of war.

True, but what does that mean?

You are no better than the Hamas voters which cost the innocent life by motivating and promoting violence.

They refuse to understand that Hamas is morally depraved.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You know, even if it was the case, Billo, I believe Jews and Arabs could have solved this thing in 1948, if only they decided to sit around the table and sort it out like civilized people.

The Jews would have agreed to it.

Jews, yes. Zionists, no.

Actually, yes, the Zionists would have agreed to it too. They agreed to the UN Partition Plans, and the Peel Commission, oh and lets not forget the White Papers either. They've been very agreeable, it was the Arabs who chose to be ornery about it.

Lets also remember the pact those six nations made in Khartoum. They would agree to nothing, and would not capitulate to anything involving Israel.

 

[Daniyel]

You know, even if it was the case, Billo, I believe Jews and Arabs could have solved this thing in 1948, if only they decided to sit around the table and sort it out like civilized people.

The Jews would have agreed to it.

Jews, yes. Zionists, no.

Actually, yes, the Zionists would have agreed to it too. They agreed to the UN Partition Plans, and the Peel Commission, oh and lets not forget the White Papers either. They've been very agreeable, it was the Arabs who chose to be ornery about it.

Lets also remember the pact those six nations made in Khartoum. They would agree to nothing, and would not capitulate to anything involving Israel.

99% of the Jews are Zionists, those who immigrant to Israel are definitely Zionists.