The Greater Israel Theory is an Antisemitic Myth

[ShahdagMountains]

No, we don't want you to "lie down".

We think you should go back where you came from... EUROPE.

Where in Europe did YOU come from?

 

[JoeB131]

Wishful thinking by a professional know nothing Idiot, when Iran’s Mullah animals shoot missiles and kill innocent civilians in Arab cities, even those that are supposedly their staunch allies such as Qatar, it not only makes them hate their fookin’ guts but also proves who they really are. And that’s just the beginning of what they’ve done to their Arab neighbors. Sunnis hate Shiites annd vice versatility even more than they hate Jews and infidels. There’s a reason why Hamas and Hezbollah are illegal and labeled as CRIMINAL TERRORISTS in countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. That’s why one after another we see Arabs signing peace treaties with Israel. Flush Palestine down the Mecca, it’s over.

You’re about as much in touch with the Arab world as you are with everything else you provide your bullshiite opinions on.

the problem is the Zionist Squatters are also shooting missiles at these Arab states, and the Arab on the street sees that his government has sold out to America and the Zionist Entity.

The one time Egypt held an election, they elected the most radical Islamist they could find. That's how the average Arab in the street feels about their sellout governments and Israel.

 

[Roudy]

the problem is the Zionist Squatters are also shooting missiles at these Arab states, and the Arab on the street sees that his government has sold out to America and the Zionist Entity.

The one time Egypt held an election, they elected the most radical Islamist they could find. That's how the average Arab in the street feels about their sellout governments and Israel.

Bullshiite! You’re full of lies.

 

[Stryder50]

Even if the Greater Israel thread WERE true, Israel could double its land mass and still have less than 1% - with the Arabs having more than 99%!

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A related footnote is that when Mohammad "invented" Islam it was intended to be religion to unit the warring tribes of Arabs so they might be a significant civilization such as the Roman and/or Byzantine, etc. At that time Arab/Islam was limited to the desert interior of the Arabian peninsula.

Shortly after Mohammad's passing, Islam than expanded out of it's "homeland" and became 'Greater Islam' that the world has known since. During those 1400 years of expansion into 'Greater Islam' a near majority of the planet's conflicts/wars have been due in part to whole on expansion of 'Greater Islam'.

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[ShahdagMountains]

Bullshiite! You’re full of lies.

He can’t help it. His mind is diseased.

 

[JoeB131]

A related footnote is that when Mohammad "invented" Islam it was intended to be religion to unit the warring tribes of Arabs so they might be a significant civilization such as the Roman and/or Byzantine, etc. At that time Arab/Islam was limited to the desert interior of the Arabian peninsula.

Shortly after Mohammad's passing, Islam than expanded out of it's "homeland" and became 'Greater Islam' that the world has known since. During those 1400 years of expansion into 'Greater Islam' a near majority of the planet's conflicts/wars have been due in part to whole on expansion of 'Greater Islam'.

This map adds to the above map;

Um, okay, now show us a map of Christianity, and how much of the world it rules by outright GENOCIDING the people who were already there.

 

[Lisa558]

A related footnote is that when Mohammad "invented" Islam it was intended to be religion to unit the warring tribes of Arabs so they might be a significant civilization such as the Roman and/or Byzantine, etc. At that time Arab/Islam was limited to the desert interior of the Arabian peninsula.

Shortly after Mohammad's passing, Islam than expanded out of it's "homeland" and became 'Greater Islam' that the world has known since. During those 1400 years of expansion into 'Greater Islam' a near majority of the planet's conflicts/wars have been due in part to whole on expansion of 'Greater Islam'.

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Yup. THAT is where the antisemites came up with this “Greater Israel” conspiracy theory - took it right out of the actual history of Islam.

Sort of what leftists do: accuse your enemy of that which you’re doing, or have done.

 

[JoeB131]

Yup. THAT is where the antisemites came up with this “Greater Israel” conspiracy theory - took it right out of the actual history of Islam.

Sort of what leftists do: accuse your enemy of that which you’re doing, or have done.

I think you are a little confused.

Islam isn't a monolith. It really hasn't been since the beginning, when you have Shi'ites, Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafis, Barelvis, Sufis, and Deobandis. Islam is as diverse as Christianity in many ways.

Now, unlike Judaism, which doesn't go out and try to convert people, Islam and Christianity have, which is why most of the world belongs to one or the other. (See the map above.)

 

[Lisa558]

The behaviour of the Netanyahu government in committing genocide on the Palestinians is driving anti-Israel sentiment.

The Jews left the Middle East nearly 2000 years ago. They came back in 1949, after 2000 years in exile, and reclaimed land they hadn't lived on since the birth of Jesus.

And now you say it's wrong for the Arabs not to give them back whatever land they want to claim.

1) Jews have had a continual presence in the Middle East for 3500 years.

2j Muslims conquered the ENTIRETY of the Middle East, except for the 0.4% that is Israel.

3) The Islamists went as far north as Spain, and conquered it. They controlled it for 700 years.

4) This Islamist takeover began right with Mohammed in the 7th century, as he invaded Jerusalem in order to conquer the Jews there.

Your blatant double standards reveal your extreme antisemitism.

 

[Lisa558]

more inaccuracies. Who wants anyone slaughtered? Why do you think that slaughter is required for a messiah's appearance? Judaism doesn't teach that.

She makes up lies about Jews to make us look bad. There’s a lot of that going around, including right in this forum.

 

[JoeB131]

1) Jews have had a continual presence in the Middle East for 3500 years.

They weren't the majority in Palestine even in ancient times, it's why the Bible constantly whines about the Kings of Judah and Israel "doing great evil" because they worshipped god other than Yahweh.

There's also evidence that Yahweh was a minor God until the Hebrews adopted him as their main God.

The problem being that most of the Bible was written in the Iron Age, so the stories are all distorted.

But even then, the Romans expelled the Jews from Palestine after the Bar Kochba revolt, because they were tired of their nonsense.

2j Muslims conquered the ENTIRETY of the Middle East, except for the 0.4% that is Israel.

Nope, they conquered Palestine as well, and then reconquered it again after they threw out the Crusaders.

3) The Islamists went as far north as Spain, and conquered it. They controlled it for 700 years.

And? Not sure what your point is here. They conquered Spain, but they never succeeded in converting it, unlike North Africa.

4) This Islamist takeover began right with Mohammed in the 7th century, as he invaded Jerusalem in order to conquer the Jews there.

Actually, he took it from the Christian Byzantines, who had weakened themselves with a century-old war with the Zoroastrian Persians.

Also, Jerusalem fell AFTER the death of Mohammed.

Is all your history this faulty?

 

[Stryder50]

I think you are a little confused.

Islam isn't a monolith. It really hasn't been since the beginning, when you have Shi'ites, Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafis, Barelvis, Sufis, and Deobandis. Islam is as diverse as Christianity in many ways.

Now, unlike Judaism, which doesn't go out and try to convert people, Islam and Christianity have, which is why most of the world belongs to one or the other. (See the map above.)

Exception is that Christian SCRIPTURE and DOGMA don't advocate violence and force to make conversions; whereas Islam's does.

While Islam has it's factions, they are divided on minor details, but united by the Koran. The majority, major factions, share Mohammad's last injunction/command to force conversion upon all humanity.

 

[JoeB131]

Exception is that Christian SCRIPTURE and DOGMA don't advocate violence and force to make conversions; whereas Islam's does.

While Islam has it's factions, they are divided on minor details, but united by the Koran. The majority, major factions, share Mohammad's last injunction/command to force conversion upon all humanity.

Do you not know what is in your own bible?

"Happy is the one who seizes your infants / and dashes them against the rocks" - Psalm 137:9.

Our problem with the Islamic world isn't their religion, it's our imperialistic policies.

 

[rosends]

Do you not know what is in your own bible?

"Happy is the one who seizes your infants / and dashes them against the rocks" - Psalm 137:9.

Our problem with the Islamic world isn't their religion, it's our imperialistic policies.

that phrase isn't said as a way to advocate violence. It is to make fun of oppressors i9n the limited way that the victim can.

 

[Stryder50]

Do you not know what is in your own bible?

"Happy is the one who seizes your infants / and dashes them against the rocks" - Psalm 137:9.

Our problem with the Islamic world isn't their religion, it's our imperialistic policies.

You continue to fail to realize I claim to be atheist/agnostic ....

 

[JoeB131]

You continue to fail to realize I claim to be atheist/agnostic ....

Yup, if you keep cheering one belief in sky pixies over another, then I'm going to have a hard time believing that.

 

[Roudy]

Um, okay, now show us a map of Christianity, and how much of the world it rules by outright GENOCIDING the people who were already there.

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Epic fail by a lying Islamist beatch. The map does not show HOW Christianity spread. It was mostly by peaceful means, unlike Islam. Yes, there were the Crusades, but that was to repel the Muslim invaders from lands that were Christian.

Christianity spread from a small Jewish sect in 1st-century Judea to a global religion through missionary work, the Roman Empire's infrastructure, and its appeal to social equality. Key factors included the Pax Romana, the Edict of Milan (313 CE) legalizing it, and its adoption as the Roman state religion, later spreading globally via colonization and missionary efforts.

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Key Factors in the Spread of Christianity:

• Roman Infrastructure and Stability: The Pax Romana (Roman Peace) provided a safe, connected network of roads and shipping lanes, allowing missionaries like Paul to travel easily throughout the Mediterranean.
  • Theological and Social Appeal: The faith offered a message of universal love, hope for an afterlife, and equality, which was attractive to many, including women and the lower classes, in a rigid, unequal society.
  • Constantine and Imperial Support: The conversion of Emperor Constantine and the Edict of Milan (313 CE) ended persecution and granted legal status. By 380 CE, it became the official state religion, driving its adoption across Europe.
  • Network-Based Growth: Christianity often spread through existing personal networks—family, friends, and business connections—rather than only through large-scale public preaching.
  • Adaptability and Syncretism: In its early stages, it was often viewed as compatible with existing beliefs, allowing it to blend with or adopt local customs (syncretism), making adoption easier.
  • Missionary Activity: Early Christians, including missionaries and traveling merchants, played a vital role in carrying the message beyond the Roman world into areas like Persia, Armenia, and Ethiopia.
  • Colonialism and Expansion: In the post-classical and modern eras, particularly from the 15th century onward, European colonization was a major force in spreading Christianity to the Americas, Africa, and Asia.
  • Modern Growth: The rise of Pentecostalism in the 20th and 21st centuries has led to significant growth in Africa, Latin America, and Asia

 

[Invisibleflash]

To counteract the lie being pushed by antisemites on this thread, I bring up the reasons why the Greater Israel project is being twisted to drive more hostility toward Jews:

1) Israel has always offered land for peace, thus willing to reduce its area, but the Jew-hating Palestinians have always rejected the offers.

2) Any increase in land mass (now currently 0.4% with Arabs taking 99.6%) has been a fraction of a percent and driven by security concerns - not expansion.

3) Those who are claiming Israel’s war on Iran is driven by this “expansion” myth ignore that Israel never had any plans to take any part of Iran.

4) In 1979, Israel returned the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt.

5) In 2005, Israel vacated Gaza. (And look at the thanks they got.)


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Why the “Greater Israel” theory is false - IsraelFAQs

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[Lisa558]

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Typical response from an antisemitic leftist: if a Jew dare explain why some lie being peddled by Jew-hate is a lie, he’ll call it gaslighting.

I DID notice he couldn’t refute any of my points

 

[JoeB131]

Epic fail by a lying Islamist beatch. The map does not show HOW Christianity spread. It was mostly by peaceful means, unlike Islam. Yes, there were the Crusades, but that was to repel the Muslim invaders from lands that were Christian.

Peaceful? Seriously?

ever heard of the Knights Templar? The Teutonic Knights? The Albigensian Crusades? The Arian Heresy? The 30 Years' War? The Spanish Inquisition?

Christianity has been every bit as militant as Islam.

What is amusing is that before WWII, it was the Christians that treated the Jews like garbage, and the Muslims who were relatively nice to you, until you screwed them.