Breaking News - Israel launches ground offensive in Gaza

[Lipush]

That is because Hamas prefers dozens of more Palestinians dying, so they can blame Israel for their own refusal.

Refusal of what? Where's the evidence they had anything to do with the kidnapping?

I wasn't talking about the kidnapping, I was taking about the Hamas refusing the Egyptian initiative!

You're not following.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was no Israeli occupation in 1948... Whoops!

Technically you may be correct. It was the 1949 armistice agreements that officially divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Ya that is one of your lies as well. How many times are you going to spew it?

Until the truth changes.

 

[toastman]

And why is this occupation? Because Israel won territory from Egypt (the Gaza Strip) and Jordan (the West Bank) in a defensive war where Israel was attacked from all sides.
And why should Israel be nice to Arab countries who want to destroy Israel and the Jews?

The war started with Israeli tanks crossing into Egypt, so it wasn't a defensive war.

And ever since the end of WWII, holding onto land seized in a war, has been outlawed.

Please show me where it says that firing the first shot automatically means starting the war?

 

[Billo_Really]

Again with the lies.

Again with the bullshit!

All you're doing, is repeating baseless accusations you can't prove.

Yes, you have an agenda, and it's not an honest one.

Why would I have an agenda? I know that's a question you can't answer.

Why is everyone who criticizes Israel personally attacked?

Was it Israel that decided to open a war in 1948?

How do you think the residents at Deir Yassan would answer that?

What is Israel that closed the Tiran passages, declaring war in innocent civilians, in 1967?

The war didn't start until Israeli tanks rolled into Egypt.

And the Strait was closed in part as a response to Israeli aggression against Syria.

 

[Lipush]

So you're trying to change the truth, Tinmore

THANK YOU for finally admitting it.

 

[toastman]

Technically you may be correct. It was the 1949 armistice agreements that officially divided Palestine into three areas of occupation.

Ya that is one of your lies as well. How many times are you going to spew it?

Until the truth changes.

What truth? Show me one link that says 'the Armistice lines separated Palestine into 3 areas of occupation'

 

[Billo_Really]

Please show me where it says that firing the first shot automatically means starting the war?

Grow up!

 

[Lipush]

Again with the lies.

Again with the bullshit!

All you're doing, is repeating baseless accusations you can't prove.

Yes, you have an agenda, and it's not an honest one.

Why would I have an agenda? I know that's a question you can't answer.

Why is everyone who criticizes Israel personally attacked?

Was it Israel that decided to open a war in 1948?

How do you think the residents at Deir Yassan would answer that?

What is Israel that closed the Tiran passages, declaring war in innocent civilians, in 1967?

The war didn't start until Israeli tanks rolled into Egypt.

And the Strait was closed in part as a response to Israeli aggression against Syria.

The 1948 began with an Arab attack on an Israeli bus.

Actually, it began with the Arab refusal to the partition plan, something that in that time was fair to both sides.

A stupid mistake it was to refuse, but when did they ever do anything logical?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Thousand of foot soldiers are not in any of those.

And what's wring with them being in tanks, planes etc ? Isn't that how all modern militaries fight

Regardless, you lefties are ignoring the fact that Hamas launching rockets non stop, and then saying no to a cease fire is why the fighting rages on.

BTW Tinmore, what do you think of Hamas saying no to the cease fire?

Nobody negotiated a ceasefire.

What?? Egypt offered a cease fire. Israel accepted. Hamas didn't. Do you agree with them?

It was written by the US/Israeli toadies in Egypt to benefit Israel.

Of course they should have rejected it.

 

[Billo_Really]

So you're trying to change the truth, Tinmore

THANK YOU for finally admitting it.

You can't handle the truth!

 

[Lipush]

Again with the lies.

Again with the bullshit!

All you're doing, is repeating baseless accusations you can't prove.

Yes, you have an agenda, and it's not an honest one.

Why would I have an agenda? I know that's a question you can't answer.

Why is everyone who criticizes Israel personally attacked?

Was it Israel that decided to open a war in 1948?

How do you think the residents at Deir Yassan would answer that?

What is Israel that closed the Tiran passages, declaring war in innocent civilians, in 1967?

The war didn't start until Israeli tanks rolled into Egypt.

And the Strait was closed in part as a response to Israeli aggression against Syria.

The war started when the Tiran passage was closed. The Tiran passage was the main passage from which ships carrying food and basic needs to Israel came from. Closing it was a war declaration.

Israel warns Egypt, told it that it opened a war when closing the passage, that they should re-open it. Egpyt gave Israel the middle finger, Israel had no option but resisting this agression and save the people from humanitarian crisis.

Egypt was the one starting off the six days war. In fact, the only agression Israel really provoked was of 1956. All other wars were forced upon Israel, originally started by the Arab enemy.

 

[toastman]

Nobody negotiated a ceasefire.

What?? Egypt offered a cease fire. Israel accepted. Hamas didn't. Do you agree with them?

It was written by the US/Israeli toadies in Egypt to benefit Israel.

Of course the should have rejected it.

HAHAHAHAHA of course you have some pathetic reason to justify it.

The cease fire would have meant no more fighting between the two (for now).

So you're basically saying you are in favour of war.

 

[Lipush]

So you're trying to change the truth, Tinmore

THANK YOU for finally admitting it.

You can't handle the truth!

Apparantly, niether can Tinmore. Or else, why would he try and change it, as he just admitted himself minutes ago?

Are you his lawyer? let the guy speak for himself.

 

[Lipush]

What?? Egypt offered a cease fire. Israel accepted. Hamas didn't. Do you agree with them?

It was written by the US/Israeli toadies in Egypt to benefit Israel.

Of course the should have rejected it.

HAHAHAHAHA of course you have some pathetic reason to justify it.

The cease fire would have meant no more fighting between the two (for now).

So you're basically saying you are in favour of war.

He clearly says- Hamas' pride shouldn't have let them agree to the ceasefire. Dozens or more Palestinian will die as a result of this refusal? Who cares??? We'll blame Israel anyway.

 

[Crystalclear]

And why is this occupation? Because Israel won territory from Egypt (the Gaza Strip) and Jordan (the West Bank) in a defensive war where Israel was attacked from all sides.

And why should Israel be nice to Arab countries who want to destroy Israel and the Jews?

The war started with Israeli tanks crossing into Egypt, so it wasn't a defensive war.



And ever since the end of WWII, holding onto land seized in a war, has been outlawed.

Israel's strategy has always been offensive defense, because the country is too small to really defend. If Israel didn't attack, they would have been destroyed, so it was defensive

 

[toastman]

Again with the lies.

Again with the bullshit!

All you're doing, is repeating baseless accusations you can't prove.


Why would I have an agenda? I know that's a question you can't answer.

Why is everyone who criticizes Israel personally attacked?


How do you think the residents at Deir Yassan would answer that?

What is Israel that closed the Tiran passages, declaring war in innocent civilians, in 1967?

The war didn't start until Israeli tanks rolled into Egypt.

And the Strait was closed in part as a response to Israeli aggression against Syria.

The war started when the Tiran passage was closed. The Tiran passage was the main passage from which ships carrying food and basic needs to Israel came from. Closing it was a war declaration.

Israel warns Egypt, told it that it opened a war when closing the passage, that they should re-open it. Egpyt gave Israel the middle finger, Israel had no option but resisting this agression and save the people from humanitarian crisis.

Egypt was the one starting off the six days war. In fact, the only agression Israel really provoked was of 1956. All other wars were forced upon Israel, originally started by the Arab enemy.

Don't forget that Egypt expelled all the peacekeeping troops right before the war as well.
Also, before Israel attacked, they tried using non violent means to stop a war dor breaking out.

 

[Billo_Really]

The 1948 began with an Arab attack on an Israeli bus.

When you move into an area and start treating the residents there like garbage, after awhile, there's going to be a hostile response.

Zionists are a violent, hostile cult, that attacks anyone who disagrees with them.

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination
- Ahad Ha'am

Why anyone would support someone like that, is beyond me.

Actually, it began with the Arab refusal to the partition plan, something that in that time was fair to both sides.

A stupid mistake it was to refuse, but when did they ever do anything logical?

How is it fair to give 10% of the population, 70% of the land?

 

[Hossfly]

Like the candy ass Israelis who are always hiding in tanks, armored bulldozers, airplanes,...

Thousand of foot soldiers are not in any of those.

And what's wring with them being in tanks, planes etc ? Isn't that how all modern militaries fight

Regardless, you lefties are ignoring the fact that Hamas launching rockets non stop, and then saying no to a cease fire is why the fighting rages on.

BTW Tinmore, what do you think of Hamas saying no to the cease fire?

Nobody negotiated a ceasefire.

Hamas would agree to considering a cease fire if someone asked nice?

 

[Lipush]

You know, even if it was the case, Billo, I believe Jews and Arabs could have solved this thing in 1948, if only they decided to sit around the table and sort it out like civilized people.

The Jews would have agreed to it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ya that is one of your lies as well. How many times are you going to spew it?

Until the truth changes.

What truth? Show me one link that says 'the Armistice lines separated Palestine into 3 areas of occupation'

The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial borders.

If it was "Israel" it would have borders. But it had armistice lines just like the other two occupations.