Bernie Sanders Touts Marxist Economists

[LeftofLeft]

RW hate/propaganda, hater dupe.

I hate Marxism. It is a failure. It destroys the middle class and locks in a true 1 percent. I am all for Social programs and welfare but they can only be successful when the economy is decidedly more Capitalist vs true Socialist; and definitely not Marxism in Socialists clothing.

Economic policies rooted in class envy and ultimately, class warfare, are a proven failure. Eastern Europe, Latin America, parts of Asia, are replete with proven examples of these failures.

Immigrants do not come to the US for guaranteed income equality. They come here for economic equal opportunity.

 

[regent]

Can you name any country that practiced Marx communism?

Marx never specified what his utopia would be like. He restricted himself to attacking capitalism.

Of course, you're just using the old Marxist trick of pretending no one ever tried to implement socialism. That's a lie, of course. They tried as hard as anyone could, but you can't draw a triangle with four sides.

Is socialism communism?

Yes, they're the same thing, only in the later case they actually try to implement it, not just do a lot of hand waving.

I take it then that Scientific socialism, Christian socialism, True socialism, Feudal socialism, Clerical socialism, and all the others are the same? Did Marx think all types were good and all would lead to communism?

In practical terms they are all pretty much the same. The only form that is significantly different is called syndicalism, which is where the workers of each factory make decisions independently about how run it. Of course, they are all doomed to failure. All give enormous powers to the state and set up a country for totalitarian dictatorship. Disaster usually follows shortly after that.

Marx's Scientific Socialism was a plan to prepare people to live in communistic state, he called the other forms of socialism, various name finally settling "Utopian" or unrealistic.

 

[bripat9643]

Marx never specified what his utopia would be like. He restricted himself to attacking capitalism.

Of course, you're just using the old Marxist trick of pretending no one ever tried to implement socialism. That's a lie, of course. They tried as hard as anyone could, but you can't draw a triangle with four sides.

Is socialism communism?

Yes, they're the same thing, only in the later case they actually try to implement it, not just do a lot of hand waving.

I take it then that Scientific socialism, Christian socialism, True socialism, Feudal socialism, Clerical socialism, and all the others are the same? Did Marx think all types were good and all would lead to communism?

In practical terms they are all pretty much the same. The only form that is significantly different is called syndicalism, which is where the workers of each factory make decisions independently about how run it. Of course, they are all doomed to failure. All give enormous powers to the state and set up a country for totalitarian dictatorship. Disaster usually follows shortly after that.

Marx's Scientific Socialism was a plan to prepare people to live in communistic state, he called the other forms of socialism, various name finally settling "Utopian" or unrealistic.

He had no plan. There isn't a Marxist on this planet who can explain how Marx's "scientific socialism" would work in practice. That's what Lenin and the other commies found out when they took over the Russian government. If there's any form of socialism one could legitimately call "utopian," it's so-called "Marxian socialism."

 

[regent]

Is socialism communism?

Yes, they're the same thing, only in the later case they actually try to implement it, not just do a lot of hand waving.

I take it then that Scientific socialism, Christian socialism, True socialism, Feudal socialism, Clerical socialism, and all the others are the same? Did Marx think all types were good and all would lead to communism?

In practical terms they are all pretty much the same. The only form that is significantly different is called syndicalism, which is where the workers of each factory make decisions independently about how run it. Of course, they are all doomed to failure. All give enormous powers to the state and set up a country for totalitarian dictatorship. Disaster usually follows shortly after that.

Marx's Scientific Socialism was a plan to prepare people to live in communistic state, he called the other forms of socialism, various name finally settling "Utopian" or unrealistic.

He had no plan. There isn't a Marxist on this planet who can explain how Marx's "scientific socialism" would work in practice. That's what Lenin and the other commies found out when they took over the Russian government. If there's any form of socialism one could legitimately call "utopian," it's so-called "Marxian socialism."

The new USSR quickly dropped Scientific Socialism as unworkable and later dropped communism for the same reason. Is there a nation on this planet that practices Marx's
communism or Scientific Socialism?

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, they're the same thing, only in the later case they actually try to implement it, not just do a lot of hand waving.

I take it then that Scientific socialism, Christian socialism, True socialism, Feudal socialism, Clerical socialism, and all the others are the same? Did Marx think all types were good and all would lead to communism?

In practical terms they are all pretty much the same. The only form that is significantly different is called syndicalism, which is where the workers of each factory make decisions independently about how run it. Of course, they are all doomed to failure. All give enormous powers to the state and set up a country for totalitarian dictatorship. Disaster usually follows shortly after that.

Marx's Scientific Socialism was a plan to prepare people to live in communistic state, he called the other forms of socialism, various name finally settling "Utopian" or unrealistic.

He had no plan. There isn't a Marxist on this planet who can explain how Marx's "scientific socialism" would work in practice. That's what Lenin and the other commies found out when they took over the Russian government. If there's any form of socialism one could legitimately call "utopian," it's so-called "Marxian socialism."

The new USSR quickly dropped Scientific Socialism as unworkable and later dropped communism for the same reason. Is there a nation on this planet that practices Marx's
communism or Scientific Socialism?

No one ever drew a triangle with four sides. What's your point? We already know the schemes of Marx's followers are impossible.

 

[Desperado]

Bernie Sanders is a communist
and you know what they say makes a good communist

 

[Tehon]

Apparently you and the rest of the Marxists can't state what his conception of socialism is because you never do.

It is society organized as a cooperative. All you need to do is understand his labor theory of value and that concept becomes clear.

 

[bripat9643]

Apparently you and the rest of the Marxists can't state what his conception of socialism is because you never do.

It is society organized as a cooperative. All you need to do is understand his labor theory of value and that concept becomes clear.

"Society organized as a cooperative?" How is that distinguishable from a police state?

The labor theory of value is a farce. It's been proven untrue countless times.

 

[Tehon]

"Society organized as a cooperative?" How is that distinguishable from a police state?

Police states are symptoms of hierarchical society where the ruling classes seek to protect their status. A cooperative is people working together to achieve the same end and sharing the rewards. See the distinction?

The labor theory of value is a farce. It's been proven untrue countless times.

Really? Care to elaborate?

 

[bripat9643]

"Society organized as a cooperative?" How is that distinguishable from a police state?

Police states are symptoms of hierarchical society where the ruling classes seek to protect their status. A cooperative is people working together to achieve the same end and sharing the rewards. See the distinction?

The labor theory of value is a farce. It's been proven untrue countless times.

Really? Care to elaborate?

Police states are the result of socialism, which requires giving absolute power to the state. "Cooperatives" only exist in capitalist societies where people don't have to take orders from the central government.

The Labor Theory of Value Refuted: Nobody Cares How Hard You Work

 

[Tehon]

"Society organized as a cooperative?" How is that distinguishable from a police state?

Police states are symptoms of hierarchical society where the ruling classes seek to protect their status. A cooperative is people working together to achieve the same end and sharing the rewards. See the distinction?

The labor theory of value is a farce. It's been proven untrue countless times.

Really? Care to elaborate?

Police states are the result of socialism, which requires giving absolute power to the state. "Cooperatives" only exist in capitalist societies where people don't have to take orders from the central government.

The Labor Theory of Value Refuted: Nobody Cares How Hard You Work

You're a fucking idiot. Cooperatives are the embodiment of Marxist socialism.

Your link does't disprove Marx's theory of labor value. His theory incorporates the socially necessary labor required to produce a commodity which takes into consideration that people's abilities differ. He accounts for the fact that not all people are equal. The locksmith is charging the going rate for his services despite his ability to produce faster. That is what Marx said!