Attention: Episcopalians & Christian Sects of All Denominations Worldwide. Pay Heed.

Now, why would the passage of Jude 1 contain such a dire warning of eternal peril for any Christian who enables the spread of a homosexual culture (in this case using the vehicle of marriage)?

Imagine if you were God or just a behavioral psychologist for that matter, and you knew of how children form their habituated social minds as they start from infancy and during the first say 6 most formative years of their lives? They're called "FORMATIVE" years because they form the mind that interfaces in daily social life.

Let's say that a child is born into a society that has allowed this homosexual culture to spread to the level it did back in the days of Ancient Greece. We use our history books as instructional "how-tos" or, more often, "how NOT to" guides. In Ancient Greece, the homosexual culture spread to such a degree that even mothers simply accepted and acquiesced to surrendering their sons as young as age 6 to older gay men who then routinely sodomized them. And they in turning learning "the socially acceptable type of sex" selected young boys as the normal sexual partner. This is what really happened. This is what happens when unacceptable social norms spreading begin to snowball.

If you understand the broader scope of history, its lessons and the usual penchant of the animal side of men to wallow in depravity until it becomes an institution, you understand how important it is to not allow the spread of a bad idea at its inception. If any soul is to have a chance at rising above degredation, degredation cannot become the norm. The fear of being outcase from the norm is deep and primal motivator. So this motivator overrides any chance of a restrained plan, a nobel goal or plan of action.

So, it's the matrix of where children are formed which would be the important thing to preserve as a dominant-norm. There will always be subdonimant behaviors and trends that are opposite of the direction of spiritual enlightenment. LGBT is a cult that is a perfect case in point. We are now at a tipping point where we can either stand and oppose it's final conquering of more nobel values, human restraint and an angelic mind. Or we can buy the cult's singsong that "everyone has dark tendencies...so let's celebrate them!"

The dire warning in Jude 1 is a notice to those on a more nobler path that the matrix within which God tests souls cannot be tampered with by allowing it to become the devil's matrix instead. There must be an icecube's chance in hell (an appropos metaphor here) for a soul to ascend and rise above, otherwise the experiment is doomed. And this dooming of the experiment is what assigns the punishment of soul-death for participation in the ruination of God's petri dish.
 
Here's a stance that is courageous and will get them into Heaven. See? It's so simple. You just say "no"! They're not going to throw you in jail and they're not going to take away your tax exempt status...yet...unless you sit on your fanny and do nothing today.

On Friday, bishops representing Michigan's seven Catholic dioceses said the court's ruling "will create inestimable conflicts between the state" and the church. Catholic leaders, led by Detroit Archbishop Allen Vigneron, said they will continue to teach that marriage remains solely between a man and a woman. But the bishops also urged compassion for gay individuals.
"The experience of same-sex attraction is a reality that calls for attention, sensitivity and pastoral care. While every person is called to love and deserves to be loved, today's momentous decision will not change the truth of the Church's teaching on marriage," said the bishops' statement.Catholic leaders Gay marriage ruling creates inestimable conflicts

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The Catholic Church says it welcomes gay people but calls their sexual orientation "disordered." The church teaches that gay sex as well as sex acts outside the marriage of a man and a woman are sinful. The church calls gay sex "intrinsically disordered" because it cannot result in procreation.

But...meanwhile...the Pope & Vatican remain silent...and in their silence they pave the road for the guy in the OP to overtake Jesus' teachings completely. He will stamp them out, if not fiercely resisted before it's too late. We are nearing that tipping point. Pope Francais? Where are you?
 
Here's how El Diablo divides, scatters and conquers. "One nation, under God..indivisible.." Throw out the "God" part and this vv is what you get...

********** Obama promises not to force churches to perform gay weddings - National Social Issues Examiner.com
PJ Media's Bryan Preston said that Obama won't have to publicly force churches to do anything.
"Our litigious society guarantees that someone will sue to force churches into gay marriage, and our activist judiciary guarantees that they will get the outcome they desire somewhere," he added.
Preston also said the ruling will be used to further divide the church, since some denominations don't have a problem with gay marriage.
The National Cathedral, for example, rang its bells for nearly an hour on Wednesday and has scheduled a prayer service for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender families to celebrate the ruling...

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, however, issued a statement condemning the ruling, calling it a “tragic day for marriage and our nation.”
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said the court's decisions have "highlighted troubling questions about how our democratic and judicial system operates." Despite the ruling, the Mormon church said it still defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

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Britain is a 1/2 step ahead of the US on this. They legalized gay marriage believing it would have no impact on their church.

And shocker of shockers...gueeesssssss what?

Wealthy gay dad, Barrie Drewitt-Barlow, says he and his civil partner Tony will go to court to force churches to host gay weddings...He told the Essex Chronicle that he will take legal action because “I am still not getting what I want”....A Government Bill legalising gay marriage passed Parliament recently but it included measures to protect churches from being forced to perform same-sex weddings...Challenge
Mr Drewitt-Barlow said: “The only way forward for us now is to make a challenge in the courts against the church. “It is a shame that we are forced to take Christians into a court to get them to recognise us.” Gay couple to sue church over gay marriage opt-out News The Christian Institute
 
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Pay heed now or pay the price, grab that first Amendment right while you still have it:

"The only way forward for us now is to make a challenge in the courts against the church", ~ Barrie Drewitt-Barlow, gay British activist. (link last post)
 
This really isn't a surprise. Sooner or later the leftist pope will probably endorse it.
The Pope by remaining silent throughout ALREADY has endorsed it.

God save his soul, and the souls of all those powers in the Vatican fearful/silent/cowardly for the one thing in life they're charged to do.

The Pope doesn't have any say in what occurs in The Church of England.
 
This really isn't a surprise. Sooner or later the leftist pope will probably endorse it.
The Pope by remaining silent throughout ALREADY has endorsed it.

God save his soul, and the souls of all those powers in the Vatican fearful/silent/cowardly for the one thing in life they're charged to do.

The Pope doesn't have any say in what occurs in The Church of England.
Have any comments on the gay activist suing The Church of England to force them to perform gay weddings after the public was assured by the government there that "legal gay marriage won't mean The Church will have to perform or participate in gay weddings"?

THIS: (Just in 2014...wow, that was fast!) Same-sex marriage now legal as first couples wed - BBC News

There will now be two legal definitions of marriage, says the BBC's social affairs correspondent Reeta Chakrabarti - that recognised by the CofE and many other religious groups, and that recognised by the state. .."The Church of England believes marriage is between one man and one woman for life," the Bishop of Norwich, the Right Reverend Graham James confirmed..."It's untidy for the law to have two definitions... but I think we can live with untidiness."...The law prohibits the Church of England from performing same-sex weddings, and allows other religious organisations to refuse to perform them.

This "untidyness" is going to be the precise hinge in the "separate but equal" arguments coming against the churches in the US just...so darn fast it's going to make your head spin... Hey mdk, what was all that noise your gang was making over at this thread about how churches would never be sued?? Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings Page 947 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Gays will legally-FORCE Christians to redact/omit Jude 1 of the New Testament to the entire demise of each and every Christian soul upon the earth. You don't allow a cult to tear pages of the Bible out and defecate on them.
 
This really isn't a surprise. Sooner or later the leftist pope will probably endorse it.
The Pope by remaining silent throughout ALREADY has endorsed it.

God save his soul, and the souls of all those powers in the Vatican fearful/silent/cowardly for the one thing in life they're charged to do.

The Pope doesn't have any say in what occurs in The Church of England.
Have any comments on the gay activist suing The Church of England to force them to perform gay weddings after the public was assured by the government there that "legal gay marriage won't mean The Church will have to perform or participate in gay weddings"?

THIS: (Just in 2014...wow, that was fast!) Same-sex marriage now legal as first couples wed - BBC News

There will now be two legal definitions of marriage, says the BBC's social affairs correspondent Reeta Chakrabarti - that recognised by the CofE and many other religious groups, and that recognised by the state. .."The Church of England believes marriage is between one man and one woman for life," the Bishop of Norwich, the Right Reverend Graham James confirmed..."It's untidy for the law to have two definitions... but I think we can live with untidiness."...The law prohibits the Church of England from performing same-sex weddings, and allows other religious organisations to refuse to perform them.

This "untidyness" is going to be the precise hinge in the "separate but equal" arguments coming against the churches in the US just...so darn fast it's going to make your head spin... Hey mdk, what was all that noise your gang was making over at this thread about how churches would never be sued?? Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings Page 947 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Gays will legally-FORCE Christians to redact/omit Jude 1 of the New Testament to the entire demise of each and every Christian soul upon the earth. You don't allow a cult to tear pages of the Bible out and defecate on them.

This just in...we don't live in England and we have they First Amendment, they don't. How many churches here have been forced to marry gays since last weeks ruling? Hint: zero.
 
This just in, the 9th Amendment exists. Look into it..
 
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This just in...we don't live in England and we have they First Amendment, they don't. How many churches here have been forced to marry gays since last weeks ruling? Hint: zero.

How many times have you seen the word "church" mentioned in the 1st Amendment? That's right, zero. The 1st Amendment is about individual rights.

And luckily the 9th Amendment will settle this matter once and for all:

A Christian who passively refuses to participate in a gay wedding is within their 1st Amendment rights and will not be required to experience the anxiety of risk to their eternal soul. That's a civil right. And I know how you feel about people's civil rights being trampled on. So we are both in agreement. Public Accomodation cannot trump the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

Sorry. :itsok:

Yes, yes, you have tried several times to pretend that individual members of a church are churches themselves. They law says otherwise. Legal gibberish is all you offer.
 
This just in...we don't live in England and we have they First Amendment, they don't. How many churches here have been forced to marry gays since last weeks ruling? Hint: zero.

How many times have you seen the word "church" mentioned in the 1st Amendment? That's right, zero. The 1st Amendment is about individual rights.

And luckily the 9th Amendment will settle this matter once and for all:

A Christian who passively refuses to participate in a gay wedding is within their 1st Amendment rights and will not be required to experience the anxiety of risk to their eternal soul. That's a civil right. It isn't an attack on gays! (hyperbole for emphasis!!). However, forcing Christians to risk their eternal soul by defying Jude 1 IS a hostile act and cannot be tolerated.

And I know how you feel about people's civil rights being trampled on. So we are both in agreement. Public Accomodation cannot trump the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

Sorry. You can't force Christians to worship at the rainbow altar of The Church of Deviant Sex Acts.. :itsok:


Yes, yes, you have tried several times to pretend that individual members of a church are churches themselves. They law says otherwise. Legal gibberish is all you offer.

And the number of times "church" is mentioned in the 1st Amendment again?

Can I get "ZERO"..?
 
Another entire Thread devoted to Silhouette's meltdown- and her homophobic fantasies.

This one where she lectures an entire Christian Church on how they are not proper bigots.

Soon to come- the lecture on how the Pope- and therefore the Catholic Church is all going to hell also.
 
Another entire Thread devoted to Silhouette's meltdown- and her homophobic fantasies.

This one where she lectures an entire Christian Church on how they are not proper bigots.

Soon to come- the lecture on how the Pope- and therefore the Catholic Church is all going to hell also.
So Syriusly, will you be the first in line to defend Christians suing gay graphic artists to print Jude 1 on a billboard if they refuse just that one Christian service on principle?

Or will you defend the gays instead and their "right not to print another's belief system"?

Christians for example, believe that it is hateful to make depriving children of either a mother or father as an institution. That's because it is. So will the child-hating cult print that billboard or not?

See how complicated this is getting? Much better to have left the issue of behaviors and cults vs religion to the states instead. King Kennedy is a blind idiot.
 
This just in...we don't live in England and we have they First Amendment, they don't. How many churches here have been forced to marry gays since last weeks ruling? Hint: zero.

How many times have you seen the word "church" mentioned in the 1st Amendment? That's right, zero. The 1st Amendment is about individual rights.

And luckily the 9th Amendment will settle this matter once and for all:

A Christian who passively refuses to participate in a gay wedding is within their 1st Amendment rights and will not be required to experience the anxiety of risk to their eternal soul. That's a civil right. It isn't an attack on gays! (hyperbole for emphasis!!). However, forcing Christians to risk their eternal soul by defying Jude 1 IS a hostile act and cannot be tolerated.

And I know how you feel about people's civil rights being trampled on. So we are both in agreement. Public Accomodation cannot trump the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

Sorry. You can't force Christians to worship at the rainbow altar of The Church of Deviant Sex Acts.. :itsok:


Yes, yes, you have tried several times to pretend that individual members of a church are churches themselves. They law says otherwise. Legal gibberish is all you offer.

And the number of times "church" is mentioned in the 1st Amendment again?

Can I get "ZERO"..?

People are not churches in this nation. Get over it. You can pretend otherwise all you wish but the law isn't on your side. Sorry.
 
People are not churches in this nation. Get over it. You can pretend otherwise all you wish but the law isn't on your side. Sorry.

Have you read the 1st and 9th Amendments? Can you present readers here with a link to where the word "church" is used in the 1st Amendment? Or where in the 9th Amendment it says it's OK sometimes for one Constitutional provision to squelch, suppress or extinguish the rights guaranteed in another?

Thanks!
 
This is right out of the Bible. The separation of the Christians.

Someone saw this happening over 2,000 years ago.
 
People are not churches in this nation. Get over it. You can pretend otherwise all you wish but the law isn't on your side. Sorry.

Have you read the 1st and 9th Amendments? Can you present readers here with a link to where the word "church" is used in the 1st Amendment? Or where in the 9th Amendment it says it's OK sometimes for one Constitutional provision to squelch, suppress or extinguish the rights guaranteed in another?

Thanks!

I never said it did, ding dong. Yes, I've read them both and none them support your claim that people are churches.
 
Another entire Thread devoted to Silhouette's meltdown- and her homophobic fantasies.

This one where she lectures an entire Christian Church on how they are not proper bigots.

Soon to come- the lecture on how the Pope- and therefore the Catholic Church is all going to hell also.
So Syriusly, will you be the first in line to defend Christians suing gay graphic artists to print Jude 1 on a billboard if they refuse just that one Christian service on principle?

I already answered that Silly.

The law obligates business's to serve Christians- and it doesn't matter what sexual preference the owner is.

Yeah- I would be all about supporting any business which denies its usual services to a Christian.

Meanwhile- I will point out again- Silhouette's Meltdown continues.

Remember when she posted about how she was going to stop posting because it takes too much time and energy from her? Now she is starting 2 or 3 threads a day........
 
Another entire Thread devoted to Silhouette's meltdown- and her homophobic fantasies.

This one where she lectures an entire Christian Church on how they are not proper bigots.

Soon to come- the lecture on how the Pope- and therefore the Catholic Church is all going to hell also.
. So will the child-hating cult .

The only child hating cult is you Silhouette.

You hate children so much you would deny children parents- and you would deny children married parents.

If the parents are gay.
 

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