Attention: Episcopalians & Christian Sects of All Denominations Worldwide. Pay Heed.

[Silhouette]

Looks like its time for you bible thumping freaks to get off the stage

Au contraire!

The stage lighting is just now being increased and the curtains drawn open for the real play. Act I, Scene I: "Enter the Oregon bakers.."

 

[Silhouette]

From an article in 2012:

"Pope speaks out against gay marriage"
Pope Benedict XVI has again spoken out against gay marriage. In a New Year address to Vatican diplomatic corps drawn from 180 countries around the world, he listed gay marriage as one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined “the future of humanity itself.” Pope speaks out against gay marriage

Then, "mysteriously" the Vatican was blackmailed by gay prostitutes in Italy who had fooled around with some ranking brass in the Church. Benedict steps down. Francais remains conspicuously SILENT about the gay marriage Ruling...

Folks, this isn't a rehearsal. If you are a church father or person in charge of making sure God's word continues. If you are this rare and sacred custodian of your faith, there is NO FEAR greater than your fear should be of what will happen to you if you do not face your shame (whatever the blackmail is) and do what's right anyway..

Jude 1 applies to all. There are no hail mary's to save you if your silence aids and abets the spread of this insidious cult. There's no shame in sinning. The real shame is to stay silent and allow sins to snowball until there is nothing left. For all intents and purposes, the Vatican is committing suicide with its silence. The flock looks to them for guidance and instead finds an empty house full of cowering shadows 3/4s of the way to the gates of Hell.

If you have problems with homosexuality within your ranks, then address them as sins. It's OK. There is no man, not even the Pope who is flawless. It's why we're here...remember? To improve? We aren't here to be silent, to have our tongues cut out by the enemy so its agenda can spread unexposed and unchecked.

 

[Silhouette]

The Vatican was having a pow-wow about this. Pope Francais remains adamant to not speak out against gay marriage. Their trouble seems to be that they want bodies in the church, but the cult of LGBT will drag those bodies away forcibly if they speak out. But it is interesting to note they're keeping what used to be public under wraps:

6 October 2014
'After the last consistory a cardinal wrote to me saying it was a shame that some cardinals did not have the courage to speak their minds out of respect for the pope thinking perhaps that the pope thought something different to them. This is not good.'
In a bid to encourage debate, the Vatican is restricting public information about what is said behind closed doors during the synod. In the past it has released texts of individual bishops' comments. Read more: Pope Francis urges bishops to speak their minds at sex conference at the Vatican Daily Mail Online

 

[Silhouette]

Oh, OK. But they follow the Bible, right? I assume they know about Jude 1?

Episcopal Church = Church of England. Remember Henry VIII?

I think it's funny that you believe yourself in a position to dictate theology to the Council of Bishops of one of the largest Protestant denominations in the world.

Anyone who has read the particular part of the New Testament being discussed is fit to dictate theology to the Council of Biships and the Vatican too for that matter. Did you forget from where these men derive their authority? It's from the New Testament. In fact, they are peons compared to the importance of the Written Word. The words of Jude 1 are throwing their weight around, not me. I'm just the puny messenger.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Wrong forum, Silly. That belongs in Religion or Conspiracy Theories.

 

[Silhouette]

Wrong forum, Silly. That belongs in Religion or Conspiracy Theories.

No, the Christan civil rights vs gay civil rights thing is a current event Jar Jar.

 

[Syriusly]

Meanwhile- people in love are getting married.

And the bigots gnash their terrible teeth and pull their chest hairs and demand that we discriminate against homosexuals!

That's fine, you and soon the polygamists will all be legally married (technically, June 26, 2015's Ruling made polygamy legal too). .

I have been married for over 20 years.

Polygamist marriage is still illegal in all 50 states.

You are a loon.

and people in love are getting married.

 

[Syriusly]

Here it is, just like I warned in the OP: From post #232 here: For all the Bigoted Bakers Fanatical Florists and Pharisee Photographers US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

I am just wondering how far you are willing to take your strict adherence to the Bible in doing your business. Okay. So you don't want to provide wedding services to gay folks because Leviticus 18:22 says so. Well, why stop there? The Bible also says that adultery and sex before marriage are wrong. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 is very clear a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night shall be stoned. Admittedly, it might be a bit harsh to determine who is a virgin, but you could at least eliminate the 50% of women who live with their boyfriends before marriage. Okay, next up, we need to talk about what you are wearing, Girlfriend. Deuteronomy 22:5 says that a woman shall not wear clothing meant for a man. That means all you ladies who wear slacks and jeans and pantsuits! Clearly, a truly biblical business can't work for such sinners! ..and if that's too "Old Testament" for you, 1 Timothy 2:9 and 1 Peter 3:3 both state women should wear neither braids nor jewelry. so if they plan to wear any of that at their wedding, clearly it would offend your magic fairy in the sky to no end....Hey, and Heaven forbid that they be one of those "liberated" women who write their own vows at a wedding....Ephesians 5:22-24 says that they should totally submit to their husbands, and 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 says they should keep their mouths shut in church....So really, now that you've eliminated about 99% of your potential customers, you can no doubt say that your objections to serving gays was really about the Bible... because you are also following all the other rules the bible sets down.

The point of the OP is to get Christians to start citing the Old Testament, which is merely a reference but not a set of edicts. The New Testament of course are the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's what Christians base their faith & decisions on. Notice the OP in the quote above made no mention of the New Testament's mortal sins described in Jude 1 or Romans 1.

This is a prelude of what's to come in Court. They literally will be debating the Bible. The cult of LGBT will say "you're honors, should we start stoning people for taking the Lord's name in vain?". (The Courtroom snickers)..."so then..your honors, how seriously can we take these claims of Jude 1 or Romans 1? How silly!".

[and therefore the entire teachings of Jesus Christ, including the ones forbidding the aid of spreading homosexuality as a cult/social movement will all be thrown in the waste bin].

Jesus never once mentions homosexuality.

But the New Testament does tell Christians very specifically to obey authority- because all authorities are appointed by God- and those who do not obey the law are disobeying God.

13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 2 So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment 3 (for rulers cause no fear for good conduct but for bad). Do you desire not to fear authority? Do good and you will receive its commendation, 4 for it is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be in fear, for it does not bear the sword in vain. It is God’s servant to administer retribution on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of the wrath of the authorities but also because of your conscience. 6 For this reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants devoted to governing. 7 Pay everyone what is owed: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. ©NET

So Silhouette- why are you telling Christians to disobey God?

 

[Syriusly]

And many still think this is about "rights and equality". It's about submission.

Yes, like I said. The notion of "gay sex is wrong" and "gay sex is right!" cannot exist in the same political universe. If the cult wants to survive, Christianity must die.

Says you-

Meanwhile there are millions of gay Christians who belong to the actual cult of Christianity- instead of your made up cult.

Homosexuals are not trying kill Christianity- most of them believe in Jesus- unlike you.

 

[bodecea]

Gays don't have to do a thing...like history shows...Christians eat their own.

 

[Silhouette]

Gays don't have to do a thing...like history shows...Christians eat their own.

Well who do you suppose the Pope is going to "eat", and why, in September while he addresses Congress for the first time in our nation's history that a Pope has done so?

 

[Old Rocks]

From your link...surprise, there was a rabid lesbian minister on the board and wouldn't take no for an answer.

It has created a rift within the episcopalian church. Prepare for the watering down of Christianity across the board until it no longer exists:

The Very Rev. Jose Luis Mendoza-Barahona of Honduras gave an impassioned speech, saying the new church law goes against the Bible and would create a chasm in the church.....“The fight has not ended, it’s starting,” he said. “Those of us in the church who are loyal followers of Christ are going to remain firm in not recognizing what happened today.”..The Episcopal Church joins two other mainline Protestant groups that allowed gay marriage in all their congregations: the United Church of Christ and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). The 3.8-million-member Evangelical Lutheran Church in America lets its congregations decide for themselves, and many of them host gay weddings....The United Methodist Church, by far the largest mainline Protestant church with 12.8 million members, bars gay marriage....Ties among Anglicans have been strained since Episcopalians in 2003 elected Bishop Gene Robinson, who lived openly with his male partner, to lead the Diocese of New Hampshire. Many theologically conservative Episcopalians either split off or distanced themselves from the national U.S. church after Robinson’s election.
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They infiltrate, demand core redactions to the Bible, and so doing kill the word of Jesus Christ. Jude 1 is hardly an ambiguous command...

1. Infiltrate

2. Intimidate

3. Divide

4. Conquer.

That's how the dark one reels in the souls using "angelic" surrogates who have zero respect for the concrete word of scriptures of the New Testament.

LOL! I'm Baptist. We do not even recognize Episcopalians as Christian.

But you're correct, to tolerate the degenerate is to become the degenerate. It's a disease, called EVIL.

And I doubt that Christ would recognize you people as Christian.

 

[Silhouette]

And I doubt that Christ would recognize you people as Christian.

He would if he had just gotten done reading Jude 1 or Romans 1.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

And I doubt that Christ would recognize you people as Christian.

Well u guess I'll never tire of watching anti-Christians trying to advise Christians of what Christ was.

LOL! Ya see scamp, Christ IS... Not 'was'.

 

[Syriusly]

And I doubt that Christ would recognize you people as Christian.

He would if he had just gotten done reading Jude 1 or Romans 1.

Why would Jesus need to read Jude 1 or Romans 1?

Why wouldn't you listen to Jesus as you reminded you of Romans 13?

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God.

2 So those who are against the government are really against what God has commanded.
And they will bring punishment on themselves.

3 Those who do right do not have to fear the rulers; only those who do wrong fear them. Do you want to be unafraid of the rulers? Then do what is right, and they will praise you. 4 The ruler is God’s servant to help you. But if you do wrong, then be afraid. He has the power to punish; he is God’s servant to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must yield to the government, not only because you might be punished, but because you know it is right.

 

[Syriusly]

And I doubt that Christ would recognize you people as Christian.

Well u guess I'll never tire of watching anti-Christians trying to advise Christians of what Christ was.

LOL! Ya see scamp, Christ IS... Not 'was'.

Loving Others
8 Do not owe people anything, except always owe love to each other, because the person who loves others has obeyed all the law. 9 The law says, “You must not be guilty of adultery. You must not murder anyone. You must not steal. You must not want to take your neighbor’s things.”a]">[a] All these commands and all others are really only one rule: “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.”b]">[b] 10 Love never hurts a neighbor, so loving is obeying all the law.

When have you ever listened to Jesus Keys?

Never.

 

[Silhouette]

Keys I don't know about for sure. But there is a bit of alarm in people who know marriage for children must be a father/mother. There is no substitute for a father. There is no substitute for a mother. Lesser situations should be the exception to the rule. They should not be the rule.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Christians Should Obey the Law
13 All of you must yield to the government rulers. No one rules unless God has given him the power to rule, and no one rules now without that power from God.

As a mouthy British Socialist, thus an imbecile... you would, of course, have no way of knowing that Americans are free sovereigns; meaning that we govern ourselves, through very specific, immutable natural principles. This means that we; The Americans, are not 'ruled'. And that we have a sacred duty TO CHRIST... to not let you idiots render us obligated to your government.

See how that works?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

It's happened before. And here we are again...

The U.S. Episcopal Church is poised to become the first major religious denomination in the United States to approve a rite for blessing gay marriages after its bishops overwhelmingly approved such a liturgy on Monday...The proposed blessing was agreed by the church's Chamber of Bishops at a meeting in Indianapolis and is expected to receive final approval from its House of Deputies later this week, Ruth Meyers, a chair of the Episcopalians' Subcommittee on Prayer Book, Liturgy and Church Music, told Reuters. Episcopalians set to be first big U.S. church to bless gay marriage Reuters

Imagine if the Almighty traced the fall of his blessed dominoes back to the Episcopalian leadership? I wonder what fate in the hereafter He might reserve for such a fatal blow to his Establishment on this plane? It's not as if this leadership can hide their faces from the Lord. I have a feeling those directly responsible for this final toppling of the Divine will pay a most terrible and horrible eternal price. Either that everything you read and studied in the Bible was all just to amuse you...

Pay heed or pay hell. Is a tax break the price of your eternal soul?

Recognize this face? You should...you've been warned about him pretty much your entire lives. Will he dictate your faith to you by fear or force?...or will you take your cues from Almighty God instead? Money is fleeting. The flesh is fleeting. This is test. Will you pass?:

Jude was a personal servant of Jesus Christ and one of his daily companions and confidants.

Jude 1 New Testament of Jesus Christ.

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


**********

Oh, and one more thing...stay tuned....his slippery forked smooth and nasty tongue will be lashing out, seething in rage for being exposed right on the eve of your Big Mistake episcopaleans..

For a more detailed and entertaining description of how you incrementally got where you are today, recommended reading for episcopalian leadership poised on the brink of leading every last soul in their flock off the edge of a cliff read this flawed sinner's highly insightful work on that very process BEFORE you take that leap:

The Screwtape Letters, by C.S. Lewis

It's a description of a senior demon instructing his nephew demon on the extremely subtle art of gently tugging faithful Christians away from salvation, inch by inch, just under their radar.

Nice picture of your Mom.

New to the Board are ya?

We don't disparage member's family here... . Ya may want to delete that.

 

[bodecea]

It's happened before. And here we are again...

The U.S. Episcopal Church is poised to become the first major religious denomination in the United States to approve a rite for blessing gay marriages after its bishops overwhelmingly approved such a liturgy on Monday...The proposed blessing was agreed by the church's Chamber of Bishops at a meeting in Indianapolis and is expected to receive final approval from its House of Deputies later this week, Ruth Meyers, a chair of the Episcopalians' Subcommittee on Prayer Book, Liturgy and Church Music, told Reuters. Episcopalians set to be first big U.S. church to bless gay marriage Reuters

Imagine if the Almighty traced the fall of his blessed dominoes back to the Episcopalian leadership? I wonder what fate in the hereafter He might reserve for such a fatal blow to his Establishment on this plane? It's not as if this leadership can hide their faces from the Lord. I have a feeling those directly responsible for this final toppling of the Divine will pay a most terrible and horrible eternal price. Either that everything you read and studied in the Bible was all just to amuse you...

Pay heed or pay hell. Is a tax break the price of your eternal soul?

Recognize this face? You should...you've been warned about him pretty much your entire lives. Will he dictate your faith to you by fear or force?...or will you take your cues from Almighty God instead? Money is fleeting. The flesh is fleeting. This is test. Will you pass?:

Jude was a personal servant of Jesus Christ and one of his daily companions and confidants.

Jude 1 New Testament of Jesus Christ.

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


**********

Oh, and one more thing...stay tuned....his slippery forked smooth and nasty tongue will be lashing out, seething in rage for being exposed right on the eve of your Big Mistake episcopaleans..

For a more detailed and entertaining description of how you incrementally got where you are today, recommended reading for episcopalian leadership poised on the brink of leading every last soul in their flock off the edge of a cliff read this flawed sinner's highly insightful work on that very process BEFORE you take that leap:

The Screwtape Letters, by C.S. Lewis

It's a description of a senior demon instructing his nephew demon on the extremely subtle art of gently tugging faithful Christians away from salvation, inch by inch, just under their radar.

Nice picture of your Mom.

New to the Board are ya?

We don't disparage member's family here... . Ya may want to delete that.

How is what he said disparaging?