Are you ashamed of your heritage?

[TruthSeeker112125]

The Union Army remained in place during Reconstruction to protect freed slaves from the wrath of the defeated South.
As soon as they left, that wrath returned and lasted another 100 years

Sorry,... The protecting the "Freed Slaves", wasn't the only reason that Union Forces continued to Occupy The S. States.:

"Conflicts over the nature of Reconstruction led to President Andrew Johnson's impeachment by Congress. Congress was in recess from shortly after Johnson took the oath of office in April 1865 until December 1865. While Congress was in recess, Johnson, a member of the Democratic party, started a process of Southern Reconstruction that included pardoning those former Confederates willing to take an oath of allegiance to the United States. After Congress returned, Johnson vetoed the Civil Rights Bill of 1866 and two Freedmen's Bureau bills. Many members of the Republican Party objected to these and some of the other policies Johnson put into place.


In the election of 1866, a large number of Republicans who opposed Johnson’s Reconstruction program were elected to Congress and proceeded to roll back some of Johnson’s policies, institute military law in the southern states, and implement measures that reined in the power of the President. In March of 1867, Congress passed the Tenure of Office Act, which was intended to prevent Johnson from replacing Secretary of War Edwin Stanton. In February of 1868, Johnson fired Stanton, and in response the House of Representatives prepared and sent forward articles of impeachment. Johnson was tried by the Senate in 1868 and was found not guilty.


In passing civil rights legislation and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the Republican Congress was attempting, for the first time in history, to create a truly interracial democracy. Faced with violent opposition in the South and a retreat from the ideal of racial equality in the North, Reconstruction proved short-lived. It would take another century for the nation to begin to live up to this era's promise of equality for all its citizens."

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/civil-war-and-reconstruction-1861-1877/travails-of-reconstruction/

 

[longly]

No one accepted blacks as equal to whites in those days. The most ardent abolitionist was an irredeemable racist by modern standards.

I can see that you were awake and paying attention during your Advanced History class. You can’t believe how ignorant the average person can be of that concept in history. Zeitgeist is German for “the mind of the times.” I was once trying to make this point to a group on a liberal forum, and they just couldn’t get it.

People in the past were different in the way they thought. It wasn’t “evil,” it just was — they saw the world in a different light and perhaps didn’t understand it as well as we do today.

 

[rightwinger]

I can see that you were awake and paying attention during your Advanced History class. You can’t believe how ignorant the average person can be of that concept in history. Zeitgeist is German for “the mind of the times.” I was once trying to make this point to a group on a liberal forum, and they just couldn’t get it.

People in the past were different in the way they thought. It wasn’t “evil,” it just was — they saw the world in a different light and perhaps didn’t understand it as well as we do today.

Your views on the Civil War are mired in Lost Cause revisionism.

Nothing to brag about

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Yes, Lincoln did want to send blacks either to South America or Africa. But let's not try to whitewash the civil war.

I'm not a part of "Let's", nor "We" Sir. And, without Your Consent, nor anyone else's, I will Freely Post what I Believe about the Civil War.

And if that "PIsses off", anyone, be they for, or against The Truthful Reasons for the War, which by the way, was not slavery as the Main Issue,...... Then Respectfully,... They "Need to Grow a Pair", & "Man-up".

"State's Rights", as well as The North seizing Southern States Ships, & materials,... A "Form of Taxation", is what brought about The War. In Fact,.... There was at least One Northern State, that remained in the Union, that allowed Slavery, which soon changed. But, My Point is,...It was not over slavery.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I can see that you were awake and paying attention during your Advanced History class. You can’t believe how ignorant the average person can be of that concept in history. Zeitgeist is German for “the mind of the times.” I was once trying to make this point to a group on a liberal forum, and they just couldn’t get it.

People in the past were different in the way they thought. It wasn’t “evil,” it just was — they saw the world in a different light and perhaps didn’t understand it as well as we do today.

Longly,..... The "Founding Fathers" also held that Mindset. "All Men are Created Equal", quickly comes to my mind.

 

[longly]

Sorry,... The protecting the "Freed Slaves", wasn't the only reason that Union Forces continued to Occupy The S. States.:

"Conflicts over the nature of Reconstruction led to President Andrew Johnson's impeachment by Congress. Congress was in recess from shortly after Johnson took the oath of office in April 1865 until December 1865. While Congress was in recess, Johnson, a member of the Democratic party, started a process of Southern Reconstruction that included pardoning those former Confederates willing to take an oath of allegiance to the United States. After Congress returned, Johnson vetoed the Civil Rights Bill of 1866 and two Freedmen's Bureau bills. Many members of the Republican Party objected to these and some of the other policies Johnson put into place.


In the election of 1866, a large number of Republicans who opposed Johnson’s Reconstruction program were elected to Congress and proceeded to roll back some of Johnson’s policies, institute military law in the southern states, and implement measures that reined in the power of the President. In March of 1867, Congress passed the Tenure of Office Act, which was intended to prevent Johnson from replacing Secretary of War Edwin Stanton. In February of 1868, Johnson fired Stanton, and in response the House of Representatives prepared and sent forward articles of impeachment. Johnson was tried by the Senate in 1868 and was found not guilty.


In passing civil rights legislation and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the Republican Congress was attempting, for the first time in history, to create a truly interracial democracy. Faced with violent opposition in the South and a retreat from the ideal of racial equality in the North, Reconstruction proved short-lived. It would take another century for the nation to begin to live up to this era's promise of equality for all its citizens."

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/civil-war-and-reconstruction-1861-1877/travails-of-reconstruction/

The Radical Republicans in the North wanted to maintain the military occupation so they could prevent former Confederates from voting, and they knew that Black voters would overwhelmingly support the Republican Party. They therefore kept Reconstruction in place in order to stay in power.

It would have been far better if they had promoted a program that gave Black Americans the opportunity to become homesteaders on free government land in the West. That would have done much more for the long‑term future of Black Americans. My point is that if more Black Americans had been early homesteaders, there would likely be many more wealthy Black families today, but the Radical Republicans wanted them to remain in the South to preserve their political advantage.

 

[rightwinger]

State's Rights", as well as The North seizing Southern States Ships, & materials,... A "Form of Taxation", is what brought about The War. In Fact,.... There was at least One Northern State, that remained in the Union, that allowed Slavery, which soon changed. But, My Point is,...It was not over slavery.

It was about a states right to allow slavery
Any way you cut it…….the war was about slavery

 

[rightwinger]

My point is that if more Black Americans had been early homesteaders, there would likely be many more wealthy Black families today, but the Radical Republicans wanted them to remain in the South to preserve their political advantage.

Even if they got their “40 acres and a mule” whites would have figured out a way to take it away once it became profitable.

Look at the Tulsa riots.
Wealthy black business were forced out of town because of a fabricated affront on a white woman

 

[longly]

Longly,..... The "Founding Fathers" also held that Mindset. "All Men are Created Equal", quickly comes to my mind.

It might have been more accurate if they had said “all white men,” “all Englishmen,” or “all men who looked like them,” because they clearly were not thinking about enslaved people. But it’s good that they weren’t precise in their wording, because it gave us room to grow.

 

[Woodznutz]

Then why did they lose?

The usual reasons. They were outmanned, out gunned, and out supplied.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The usual reasons. They were outmanned, out gunned, and out supplied.

And on the wrong side of God.

 

[Woodznutz]

And on the wrong side of God.

Actually, there is much to that as well. Reminds of the time Israel was split into two kingdoms. God said, "This thing is of me."

Regardless of the Revolutionary War America and Great Britain remained entangled economically, largely through the cotton trade. The Civil War ended this providing the final separation of "Ephraim/England" and "Manasseh/America". Now Manasseh/America could fulfill its prophetic destiny, as did Ephraim/England.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

That is why the Confederacy was formed

With the expansion of states to the west, the south saw that the days of slavery were numbered. The election of Lincoln provided the spark and southern states seceded in response

That has holes the size of Alaska.
Buchanan is who pretty much caused the civil war, if Fremont would have won - there most likely would not have been a war in the first place. He would not have allowed the South to build a coalition and build an army that Buchanan ignored.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Actually, there is much to that as well. Reminds of the time Israel was split into two kingdoms. God said, "This thing is of me."

No one cannot be on the side of slavery and the Lord at the same time.

 

[Woodznutz]

No one cannot be on the side of slavery and the Lord at the same time.

God had plans for U.S. greatness that didn't include slavery.

 

[longly]

Even if they got their “40 acres and a mule” whites would have figured out a way to take it away once it became profitable.

Look at the Tulsa riots.
Wealthy black business were forced out of town because of a fabricated affront on a white woman

I don’t think so. If large numbers of Black Americans had moved up from the South and been able to establish their own communities, towns, and even counties where they were the majority, I think it would have been a much different story.

As for the Tulsa riot, there was no need for the World War I Black veterans to show up in uniform with their rifles. The sheriff had the courthouse under control; he was not going to give the prisoner to the mob. When the Black veterans arrived, the mob saw it as a declaration of war, and that’s what happened.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Actually, there is much to that as well. Reminds of the time Israel was split into two kingdoms. God said, "This thing is of me."

Regardless of the Revolutionary War America and Great Britain remained entangled economically, largely through the cotton trade. The Civil War ended this providing the final separation of "Ephraim/England" and "Manasseh/America". Now Manasseh/America could fulfill its prophetic destiny, as did Ephraim/England.

Ephraim's Power did not become "Broken" until shortly after WW2.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

No one cannot be on the side of slavery and the Lord at the same time.

Kings David, & Solomon?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

God had plans for U.S. greatness that didn't include slavery.

Then why didn't HE take away the Democrats & Republicans, when I was a child????

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I don’t think so. If large numbers of Black Americans had moved up from the South and been able to establish their own communities, towns, and even counties where they were the majority, I think it would have been a much different story.

As for the Tulsa riot, there was no need for the World War I Black veterans to show up in uniform with their rifles. The sheriff had the courthouse under control; he was not going to give the prisoner to the mob. When the Black veterans arrived, the mob saw it as a declaration of war, and that’s what happened.

Longly,... With All Respect,.... It was Deeper than that.