Are you ashamed of your heritage?

[Meathead]

The South was never going to accept freed slaves as equals

They invoked terrorism to intimidate blacks and force them onto second class status legally, socially and politically.

Terrorist attacks lasted a hundred years

And here we are going on 200 years, and the ex-slaves are still second-class.

Free stuff obviously doesn't work.

 

[rightwinger]

So you’d agree that the confederacy was indisputably wrong and slavery was indisputably evil

As was 100 years of Jim Crow

 

[longly]

So you’d agree that the confederacy was indisputably wrong and slavery was indisputably evil

I agree that slavery is morally wrong — it was wrong in the past and still is today. Even the forms of slavery practiced by communist states, which had many leftist supporters in this country during the Cold War, including during the Vietnam era, are morally wrong. Yet somehow, Many If not most leftist view as imposed by a government as legitimate, necessary, or acceptable rather than evil.

 

[rightwinger]

I agree that slavery is morally wrong — it was wrong in the past and still is today. Even the forms of slavery practiced by communist states, which had many leftist supporters in this country during the Cold War, including during the Vietnam era, are morally wrong. Yet somehow, Many If not most leftist view as imposed by a government as legitimate, necessary, or acceptable rather than evil.

So a country formed explicitly to preserve the institution of slavery is morally wrong

 

[braalian]

M

If not most leftist view as imposed by a government as legitimate, necessary, or acceptable rather than

well, the slavery we’re talking about here was explicitly imposed and codified into law by the government of the confederacy, so not sure what your point is here, aside from an attempt at “whatabout-ism”

 

[IM2]

Many of the blacks who fought for the Confederacy were made to by their owners. So let's not try making it look like blacks volunteered to fight for the Confederacy.

 

[IM2]

In a sense,...... LIncoln wanted Cash, just like George Washington did with the "Whiskey Rebellion".

The South, was growing Rich, while the North had many problems "Getting it's Act together",..... Of course, that changed once the North became an Industrialized War Economy.

Don't misunderstand me here,...... I am An American, yet,.... I Absolutely Value The "State's Rights" that "Were Constitutionally Guaranteed", which is what started "The Civil War", ... Not Slavery.

In Fact, I have some data, somewhere in My Library, where Eli Whitney's Cotton Gin, quite possibly would've quickly brought up the "Freeing the Slaves".

Matter of Fact,.... There are Documents that speak of Lincoln's wish to send the "Slaves" back to Africa, & If I am Correct, wasn't the African Nation Liberia founded for that purpose?

Yes, Lincoln did want to send blacks either to South America or Africa. But let's not try to whitewash the civil war.

 

[rightwinger]

Many of the blacks who fought for the Confederacy were made to by their owners. So let's not try making it look like blacks volunteered to fight for the Confederacy.

Masters brought their slaves with them.
They performed menial tasks and were not allowed to be armed

 

[longly]

So a country formed explicitly to preserve the institution of slavery is morally wrong

Now you’re pushing the envelope. I said that slavery was wrong, and the inclusion of protections for slavery in the Confederate government was wrong, but the war was more nuanced than that. The elites, because of their wealth and prestige, had a lot of power in the South and generally got their way, especially in government. But not everyone who fought for the Confederacy was fighting to defend slavery. Some were fighting to defend their homes. Many—if not most—white people feared freed slaves, partly because of events like the 1804 Haitian uprising and the extermination of the French whites. Most Southerners did not feel like Yankees; they saw themselves as a separate country and wanted their own nation. Some still feel that way today, and it may come to that, because the divide between Americans on the left and right has become so distinct that we are becoming separate peoples.

 

[Unkotare]

So a country formed explicitly to preserve the institution of slavery is morally wrong

Not really a country.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The South was never going to accept freed slaves as equals

They invoked terrorism to intimidate blacks and force them onto second class status legally, socially and politically.

Terrorist attacks lasted a hundred years

No one accepted blacks as equal to whites in those days. The most ardent abolitionist was an irredeemable racist by modern standards.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

After the Civil War ended one of my ancestors was hung for bushwhacking outside of Danville, Virginia.

We never discovered the circumstances of the incident other than he was considered quite the rouge by the family. Always in trouble.

LOL....How many people can say they had an ancestor hung for bushwhacking.

Your ancestor wore makeup? No wonder he was hanged.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Apparently they took public masturbation much more seriously back in the day.

And he was wearing rouge!

 

[Mushroom]

Not at all.

Of course, I largely reject whenever somebody tries to make somebody feel ashamed of what their ancestors did out of some form of racism.

Live your life as you see best, feeling any sort of guilt for your ancestors is as nonsensical as the concept of "Original Sin".

And it's funny, the more I examine "Leftism", the more I see it is just a new blanket tossed over religion.

 

[rightwinger]

No one accepted blacks as equal to whites in those days. The most ardent abolitionist was an irredeemable racist by modern standards.

Very true

After the Civil War, blacks were not only freed but given the vote and legal rights.
Union troops were used to protect blacks from their neighbors. But as soon as they left, the South reverted to their old ways

 

[gipper]

Those who fought for the Confederacy fought for a society that was 40 percent slave and was formed to ensure slavery existed forever

Not something to be proud of

No. The vast majority of men who fought for the South in Lincoln’s War of northern aggression, fought to protect their homeland from invaders.

Very few southerners owned slaves. Were they racist? yes, just as the Northerns were.

Northern soldiers with few exceptions, did not fight to free the slaves. In fact, many historians believe had Lincoln initially framed his war as ending slavery, few men would have fought his war.

 

[rightwinger]

No. The vast majority of men who fought for the South in Lincoln’s War of northern aggression, fought to protect their homeland from invaders.

Very few southerners owned slaves. Were they racist? yes, just as the Northerns were.

Northern soldiers with few exceptions, did not fight to free the slaves. In fact, many historians believe had Lincoln initially framed his war as ending slavery, few men would have fought his war.

Lincoln fought to preserve the Union

A union that was fractured to maintain slavery

 

[rightwinger]

Of course, I largely reject whenever somebody tries to make somebody feel ashamed of what their ancestors did out of some form of racism.

You have no responsibility for what your ancestors did.

But in no way should the Confederacy be celebrated.
It was Evil

 

[gipper]

Lincoln fought to preserve the Union

A union that was fractured to maintain slavery

Why did it need to be preserved with the use of force?

The South wanted to leave Union. In a free nation, why did he murder 850,000 Americans to keep the South? Thus committing treason.

Did you support the USSR when it prevented by use of force, any of its citizens from leaving?

Did you support every state in history that murdered it’s one citizens because they wanted to separate?

Think better.

 

[rightwinger]

Why did it need to be preserved with the use of force?

The South wanted to leave Union. In a free nation, why did he murder 850,000 Americans to keep the South? Thus committing treason.

Did you support the USSR when it prevented by use of force, any of its citizens from leaving?

Did you support every state in history that murdered it’s one citizens because they wanted to separate?

Think better.

Why?
Because it was a union worth fighting for.

The South overreacted when Lincoln was elected. Lincoln is going to take away your slaves. He couldn’t even if he wanted to

Then they overreacted when they thought they could seize Ft Sumter without consequences.