The Touchy Subject of Black Confederate Soldiers

[JoeB131]

Huh?! Uh, yeah, I do think it was a bad thing for members of Congress to use phony evidence to try to frame a sitting president for the death of his predecessor. I think that is a serious crime. That kind of intrigue and plotting has brought down governments and ruined nations.

Gee, why am I not surprised that you're just fine with such lawlessness?

I'm for getting stuff done. The problem was we won the war, and Johnson, being a completely feckless idiot, lost the peace. As a result, we ended up with 100 years of Jim Crow and racial tensions that last until THIS VERY DAY.

Mind you, what you are calling "Radical" is that slavery should end, former slaves should have complete, unqualified equality, and the people who tried to destroy the Union should be held accountable. Wow, man, you are right, what crazy ideas those are.


Here's the important thing when you win a war. YOU MAKE DAMNED SURE THE OTHER SIDE KNOWS THEY LOST!!!

This is the mistake that was made after WWI. Germany really didn't think they lost. (And yes, the role of Jewish revolutionaries in overthrowing the Kaiser contributed to that feeling.) The Kaiser got to live in exile in Holland, and the people who ran his government all had nice political careers after the war. Ludendorff and Hindenburg should have been hanged as war criminals. Instead, they laid the path for Hitler.

On the other hand, when Germany lost WWII, they hanged all the surviving Nazi leaders they could find. They even hanged Julius Streicher for the 1930 equivalent of "mean tweets".

Uh-huh. You don't know enough about Andrew Johnson to offer any credible opinions on him. I'm sure that what little knowledge you have on him is based on what you've skimmed on Wikipedia and in a few other shallow anti-Johnson online articles.

Johnson was actually an outstanding president, an honest man, an ardent foe of slavery, and a friend to blacks. Unlike many Northerners, Johnson supported qualified black suffrage.

Yet historians CONSISTENTLY rank him among the worst.

Historical rankings of presidents of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Buchanan allowed the Civil War to start.
Lincoln won the Civil War
Johnson lost the peace.

Trump "Hold my Beer!"

Johnson's "crimes" were his attempt to implement Lincoln's reconstruction terms and his firing of the most corrupt and tyrannical Secretary of War in the nation's history, Edwin Stanton, who was practically staging a coup against him to try to stop him from implementing Lincoln's sensible, lenient reconstruction terms.

Except they weren't sensible if they allowed the Southern Inbreds to impose Jim Crow and undermine everything the North had fought for.

I bet you have no clue that the Supreme Court later ruled in Johnson's favor, ruling that Congress could not prevent a president from firing a cabinet member. Are you aware that initially the Radicals did not even want to allow Johnson's lawyers to call witnesses in his defense at the Senate trial?

Actually, that was hardly a slam dunk, legally.

I've read five books on Andrew Johnson, at least a dozen online articles about him, all of his veto messages, five of his speeches, and the transcript of his Senate trial. I'm guessing this dwarfs what little reading you've done about him.

Um, only the President to get impeached until Clinton in 1998. That's how awful of a president he was.

But to do that they would have had to prove in a court of law that secession was treason, and they were worried they could not prove that. The Radicals would have been in quite the pickle in a trial when Davis's lawyers proved that early American legal giants such as William Rawle and George Tucker said the Constitution allowed for secession, that Thomas Jeffferson and James Madison supported the right of secession, that the framers clearly never intended for the Union to be maintained by force, and that the founding fathers and other Patriot leaders believed the 13 Colonies had the natural right to peacefully separate from England and viewed the British use of force against the Colonies as immoral and a violation of natural law.

Sure they could have.

Jury of 12 Union Veterans who lost arms and legs in the war. Davis has a date with a rope. Just like at Nuremberg and Tokyo, they didn't let Germans and Japanese onto those juries.

Look at what you are defending here, Mike. You are defending people who TRIED TO DESTROY THE COUNTRY so a few rich assholes could keep owning and raping other human beings.

As for the Framers, they were a bunch of slave-raping idiots who shit in chamber pots and thought that bleeding was a valid medical treatment. We really should stop asking ourselves, "What did the Framers intend" and ask, "What works now?"

The very fact that we have a completely flawed person like Trump right now shows how flawed our current system is. None of the suppsoed "safeguards" have prevented him.