If I Had Been President of the Confederacy. . . .

[Quantrill]

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A true point you make. But it doesn't matter to lying thieving Yankees. All that matters to them is 'what they want' and they don't care how they get it.

Quantrill

 

[Unkotare]

The case of Texas vs. White that Unkatore cited

Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868)

Texas v. White: States do not have the right to unilaterally secede from the United States, so the Confederate states during the Civil War always remained part of the nation.

supreme.justia.com

I have now linked the actual opinion.

^^^^^

 

[Zincwarrior]

Sorry dumbass. Concerning your post #(227) you still don't know how stupid you are. Go back and review. Show your stupidity.

You are a perfect example of Yankee ignorance. Because Yankee ignorance doesn't give a shit that they are stupid.

To the Yankee, it doesn't matter that he is right or true. All that matters is that the Yankee is the one that said it.

Just keep bending over and taking that yankee smoke up your ass. Then belching it out in your lies.

Quantrill

I am not a Yankee, dickbag.

 

[JoeB131]

So, you never accepted South Vietnam as legitimate since it was them the North conquered years after we left Vietnam!!!

No, it was never legitimate because the South Vietnamese people didn't ask the French to create a quisling regime and impose it on them.

We defeated Saddam Hussein and turned him over to the Iraq justice system and they hung him. For a man you claim we did not defeat, he jerked the rope as they hung him. What happened to his ruthless sons? You are confused about Iraq. We did the job. But internal forces wanted control and the Iraq political forces had skirmishes with other Iraqis.

Um, yeah, and then what? Oh, yeah, we left with our tails between our legs.

So, you think Iran came out just fine? How about that, no navy left, no air force and what about their magnificent army? Where the hell did it go?

Doesn't matter. Iran won by merely surviving, and now Cheeto Hitler is looking for an exit ramp.

 

[JoeB131]

Anti-ICE "activists" are defying federal law, attacking ICE buildings and vehicles, obstructing ICE agents from doing their lawful duty, revealing the identifies of ICE agents, and actually assaulting ICE agents.

Okay.


NOw replace "ICE" with "Gestapo" in that sentence, and see if it reads the same.

 

[Zincwarrior]

This thread is the epitomy of revisionist stupidity.

 

[Robert W]

No, it was never legitimate because the South Vietnamese people didn't ask the French to create a quisling regime and impose it on them.

Have you ever discussed your points with any person's who lived in South Vietnam at the time we are talking about?

Am I to take you as supporting the then regime of North Vietnam?

 

[Robert W]

Okay.


NOw replace "ICE" with "Gestapo" in that sentence, and see if it reads the same.

He is discussing the United States and not the former government of Germany Joe.

 

[Robert W]

No, it was never legitimate because the South Vietnamese people didn't ask the French to create a quisling regime and impose it on them.


Um, yeah, and then what? Oh, yeah, we left with our tails between our legs.

Doesn't matter. Iran won by merely surviving, and now Cheeto Hitler is looking for an exit ramp.

We did what? Joe that war hit my family hard, I have an uncle who served in WW2. Korea and was nearing the end of his career as an E9 along with his son, my cousin, in Vietnam. This is pretty serious stuff to me.

There was a good reason we left Vietnam. We and the North met, and the North agreed to stop and to leave South Vietnam alone. We were gone for two years Joe. WE did not leave with our tails between our legs Joe.

Read this history

 

[Quantrill]

I am not a Yankee, dickbag.

Oh gee...I am supposed to believe you when you are so stupid and ignorant to say what you did post #(227).

You're a yankee piece of shit. Who doesn't know shit about what you're talking about.

Address your bullshit in post #(227) asshole. Or just keep bending over for those yankees blowing that smoke up your ass.

You don't have many options when you're that stupid.

Quantrill

 

[Robert W]

Oh gee...I am supposed to believe you when you are so stupid and ignorant to say what you did post #(227).

You're a yankee piece of shit. Who doesn't know shit about what you're talking about.

Address your bullshit in post #(227) asshole. Or just keep bending over for those yankeea blowing that smoke up your ass.

You don't have many options when you're that stupid.

Quantrill

I am on your team and will work with you. There is a better system to persuade others.

 

[Robert W]

Um, yeah, and then what? Oh, yeah, we left with our tails between our legs.

Did you expect Bremer to install a dictatorship; and we stayed in Iraq forever?

 

[Quantrill]

I am on your team and will work with you. There is a better system to persuade others.

I don't play well with others. Do your part, and I will do mine. I work much better alone. Good luck.

Quantrill

 

[Robert W]

This thread is the epitomy of revisionist stupidity.

I know why you see it like that. I happen to agree with Quantrill. I was born in CA but spent time in Georgia and VA and PA and VA visiting sites where the war happened.

Here in a nutshell is what this is about. Just as George Washington fought the British, though the British settled the USA and we still speak their language, that war seems fine with the haters of the South.

Washington among great presidents owned hundreds of slaves. Why was that? It was legal is why. What did the Supreme Court say. They said, Slavery is legal in the USA.

The South went along with them all.

The old story about Ft. Sumter is wrong. It belonged to South Carolina since the Feds had refused to meet their commitments. They screwed around for half a century.
So, when the South fired at Ft. Sumter, it was their fort. They told Anderson to leave and he knew of this.

I mark the commencement of the war to when Lincoln invaded VA and not the pathetic cannon fire that killed or injured nobody. They fired at their own fort. I am not revising history. History is history.

I can be called a Yankee though I am native of CA. But names should not be part of this discussion.

 

[Robert W]

I don't play well with others. Do your part, and I will do mine. I work much better alone. Good luck.

Quantrill

This for me is being honest in history and not playtime. I plan to do my part. Notice I do not cuss, I do not tell them they are particular names, because they stop listening or reading as is the case.

 

[Quantrill]

This for me is being honest in history and not playtime. I plan to do my part. Notice I do not cuss, I do not tell them they are particular names, because they stop listening or reading as is the case.

Well, I am being honest also.

They don't listen anyway....have you noticed? But that's fine. Continue doing your part.

Quantrill

 

[JoeB131]

Have you ever discussed your points with any person's who lived in South Vietnam at the time we are talking about?

I used to know a Vietnamese gal who worked at a company I was at. She left because her dad was ARVN.

The point remains, though, that the ARVN's fought because we paid them to fight. The VC fought because they were committed to freeing their country from foreign occupation.

Am I to take you as supporting the then regime of North Vietnam?

I'm recognizing that the North were heroes to the Vietnamese people, and the people we propped up in the South were corrupt Quislings who stole the money we gave them. All those ARVN generals who fled after the war lived pretty good lives in the US.

He is discussing the United States and not the former government of Germany Joe.

Getting harder to tell the difference these days. A very dear friend of mine is from the Philippines. (Yes, I seem to have a a lot of Asian women in my life, for some reason). Even though she's married to an American, her son was born here. She became a citizen 8 years ago. She feels the need to carry copies of her naturalization papers and her US Passport with her in case she is hassled by the ICEstapo.

(She also thought my calling Trump "Cheeto Hitler" was hilarious.)

There was a good reason we left Vietnam. We and the North met, and the North agreed to stop and to leave South Vietnam alone. We were gone for two years Joe. WE did not leave with our tails between our legs Joe.

Um, yeah, we really did. The thing about the Paris Accords is that they were signed with the full knowledge we were selling the South out. Nixon merely asked for a "decent interval" before they resumed hostilities. There are tapes of Nixon and Kissinger admitting as much, and how they planned to blame the whole fiasco on the Democrats.

Did you expect Bremer to install a dictatorship; and we stayed in Iraq forever?

I expected what Bush told us. That we were going to establish a pro-western democracy that was going to throw flowers at our feet.

Instead, we got a hostile people who welcomed the president of Iran as a hero, while Bush had to sneak in and hope nobody threw their shoes at him.

 

[mikegriffith1]

If they commit crimes they should be punished.

Well! That certainly sets you apart from other far-left anti-ICE activists.

Yes. We did the same to the Cherokee. Resettlement was standard policy.

The Cherokee held thousands of black slaves, BTW. They also held quite a few non-Cherokee Indians as slaves.

Considering the blood bath the CSA did over their right to rape, murder, and torture an entire group, sounds appropriate.

Incidents of rape, murder, and torture of slaves were rare. Also, only about 8-10% of Southern citizens owned slaves, and only 1/3 of Southern households included slaves. And, when push came to shove, the Confederate leaders proved they were willing to end slavery in order to preserve Southern independence. The March 1865 CSA slave-soldier bill spelled the beginning of the end of slavery, and everyone knew it, which was why the Fire-Eaters opposed the bill with such fury and venom.

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As for JoeB131's drivel about the Vietnam War, he once again literally repeats Communist propaganda about the war. He knows very little about the war and has done no serious research on the subject. For those who are interested, I maintain a heavily sourced website on the Vietnam War:

The Truth About the Vietnam War

 

[JoeB131]

Incidents of rape, murder, and torture of slaves were rare. Also, only about 8-10% of Southern citizens owned slaves, and only 1/3 of Southern households included slaves. And, when push came to shove, the Confederate leaders proved they were willing to end slavery in order to preserve Southern independence. The March 1865 CSA slave-soldier bill spelled the beginning of the end of slavery, and everyone knew it, which was why the Fire-Eaters opposed the bill with such fury and venom.

Really? If cases of raping slaves were rare, then why is there such a wide array of skin tones amongst African Americans today?

Because a whole lot of their ancestors got raped on a regular basis. (And, no, a slave cannot "consent" to sex with her owner.)

Actually, the number of HOUSEHOLDS that owned slaves was closer to 25-30%. (I guess technically the children and spouses didn't own the slaves, but they benefited from the arrangement.)

The South was only willing to consider ending slavery when they were on their back heel.

"Wow, we'll maybe let black people be free if they fight for us for a couple of weeks before we were going to get defeated anyway. Any takers? Wow. What? No Takers?"

These dickheads were willing to destroy the nation to keep owning and raping their slaves.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Really? If cases of raping slaves were rare, then why is there such a wide array of skin tones amongst African Americans today?

Because a whole lot of their ancestors got raped on a regular basis. (And, no, a slave cannot "consent" to sex with her owner.)

Actually, the number of HOUSEHOLDS that owned slaves was closer to 25-30%. (I guess technically the children and spouses didn't own the slaves, but they benefited from the arrangement.)

The South was only willing to consider ending slavery when they were on their back heel.

"Wow, we'll maybe let black people be free if they fight for us for a couple of weeks before we were going to get defeated anyway. Any takers? Wow. What? No Takers?"

These dickheads were willing to destroy the nation to keep owning and raping their slaves.

Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you're immune to persuasion anyway. Even when you're caught in bald-faced, hilarious gaffes, you won't admit you're wrong.

Why don't you start a thread to defend your infamous statement that "Hitler wasn't the problem"? Or, how about starting a thread to extol the virtues and accomplishments of your heroes Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin, two of the biggest mass murderers in human history (who also happened to be pedophiles). Or, perhaps you could start a thread to expound on your claim that the Nazis had valid reasons for hating the Jews and that there is a worldwide Zionist conspiracy.

You just can't seem to wrap your mind around the fact that you have disqualified yourself from serious discussion by expressing these and other sick, warped views.