Are you ashamed of your heritage?

[TruthSeeker112125]

More Lost Cause……You did it too!

Slavery existed because white nations created the market. No way were they going into the bush to capture slaves themselves. So, they made lucrative offers for captured slaves.

Doesn’t absolve white guilt

Have You forgotten about the "Muslim Tripoli Pirates"?POTUS Thomas Jefferson sent Military Forces to stop the Pirates, & Free the Americans taken in to Slavery. Islam has for Centuries, even before America was a Colony, enslaved countless thousands of the "Unbelievers".

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Damn shame, a man could not even whack-off out in the bushes with Yankees around.

I'm Thinking that the "Whacker" didn't get to excited, with the Yankees around.

 

[Anarchy666]

History began on July 4th 1776.
Everything before that was a mistake

 

[rightwinger]

Have You forgotten about the "Muslim Tripoli Pirates"?POTUS Thomas Jefferson sent Military Forces to stop the Pirates, & Free the Americans taken in to Slavery. Islam has for Centuries, even before America was a Colony, enslaved countless thousands of the "Unbelievers".

Has nothing to do with slavery in THIS COUNTRY for 250 years

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Has nothing to do with slavery in THIS COUNTRY for 250 years

This was a reply to Rightwinger about "white nations created the market". It is tied in to the Slavery Issue.

 

[Unkotare]

After the Civil War ended one of my ancestors was hung for bushwhacking outside of Danville, Virginia.

We never discovered the circumstances of the incident other than he was considered quite the rouge by the family. Always in trouble.

LOL....How many people can say they had an ancestor hung for bushwhacking.

I think I can top that (but I'm not gonna).

 

[longly]

After the Civil War ended one of my ancestors was hung for bushwhacking outside of Danville, Virginia.

We never discovered the circumstances of the incident other than he was considered quite the rouge by the family. Always in trouble.

LOL....How many people can say they had an ancestor hung for bushwhacking.

It may not have been bushwhacking. Your ancestor may have been hanged simply because a group of Union soldiers didn’t like his looks. After the assassination of Lincoln, Southerners were frequently murdered—quite often by black troops—who murdered, raped, and robbed. But that’s what you get from an environment of hatred and revenge.

It ended up having a lasting impact. It led to organizations like the White League, the Knights of the White Camellia, and the Ku Klux Klan, and eventually to Jim Crow laws, which lasted until the 1960s.

As I’ve said before, revenge is almost always a bad idea. It just leads to more trouble in the future.

 

[fncceo]

Has nothing to do with slavery in THIS COUNTRY for 250 years

 

[longly]

Very true. Slavery is common throughout the animal kingdom and was used almost universally by most civilizations going back to the start of recorded history. Even some insect species use slavery. Everything was about territory and the land you conquered and held because if you were not out conquering others, they were trying to conquer you.

And what did conquerors do with the conquered? They made them slaves. The African tribes were just as big on slave labor and trading as anyone else and were perfectly happy selling their excess slaves to the Spaniards and Portuguese until the Europeans came back demanding so many more that they just started taking anyone including those who were selling slaves as slaves themselves.

There was a time when slavery was a very minor fact of life in Sub‑Saharan Africa. The Arab writers and travelers Al‑Bakri and Ibn Khaldun noted that the usual outcome for captives was to be killed, sometimes tortured, and sometimes sacrificed. They believed this was a waste of valuable manpower and morally wrong, though of course they were viewing the world according to their own tradition.

What the natives were doing made absolute sense to them. It made no sense to Release warriors who could come back and kill Them Later. It was the Arabs who introduced slavery to Sub‑Saharan Africa by encouraging African kingdoms to sell their captives rather than kill them, and the Arabs considered this humane because it saved lives.
There was a time when slavery was a very minor fact of life in Sub‑Saharan Africa. The Arab writers and travelers Al‑Bakri and Ibn Khaldun noted that the usual outcome for captives was to be killed, sometimes tortured, and sometimes sacrificed. They believed this was a waste of valuable manpower and morally wrong, though of course they were viewing the world according to their own tradition.

What the natives were doing made absolute sense to them. It made no sense to return warriors who could come back and kill you tomorrow. It was the Arabs who introduced slavery to Sub‑Saharan Africa by encouraging African kingdoms to sell their captives rather than kill them, and the Arabs considered this very humane because it saved lives. And this happened centuries before the Europeans showed up.

 

[longly]

It may not have been bushwhacking. Your ancestor may have been hanged simply because a group of Union soldiers didn’t like his looks. After the assassination of Lincoln, Southerners were frequently murdered—quite often by black troops—who murdered, raped, and robbed. But that’s what you get from an environment of hatred and revenge.

It ended up having a lasting impact. It led to organizations like the White League, the Knights of the White Camellia, and the Ku Klux Klan, and eventually to Jim Crow laws, which lasted until the 1960s.

As I’ve said before, revenge is almost always a bad idea. It just leads to more trouble in the future.

I can see that Unkotare doesn’t agree with this post. Well, I would recommend that he try to increase his understanding of history, and he could start by reading and attempting to understand why the mafia came into existence.

Bad treatment of conquered people goes back a long way, and unless commanders take very strong action, it generally becomes extreme — including murder, rape, and robbery. The Civil War, the War Between the States, was no different, and this trend continued up until and after World War One. And to some extent it still happens today.

 

[1srelluc]

It may not have been bushwhacking. Your ancestor may have been hanged simply because a group of Union soldiers didn’t like his looks. After the assassination of Lincoln, Southerners were frequently murdered—quite often by black troops—who murdered, raped, and robbed. But that’s what you get from an environment of hatred and revenge.

It ended up having a lasting impact. It led to organizations like the White League, the Knights of the White Camellia, and the Ku Klux Klan, and eventually to Jim Crow laws, which lasted until the 1960s.

As I’ve said before, revenge is almost always a bad idea. It just leads to more trouble in the future.

I tried once to figure it all out and I think it could have been in the period just after Danville surrendered on April 27th 1865.

There were 3-4K Confederate troops in and around Danville at the time and many were on the roads headed home.

I'd not doubt there were small bands of men who just took what they wanted as there was that sort of trouble in Danville before the surrender though it was mostly confined to military stores.

Danville After Davis's Departure - Emerging Civil War

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[toobfreak]

There was a time when slavery was a very minor fact of life in Sub‑Saharan Africa. The Arab writers and travelers Al‑Bakri and Ibn Khaldun noted that the usual outcome for captives was to be killed, sometimes tortured, and sometimes sacrificed. They believed this was a waste of valuable manpower and morally wrong, though of course they were viewing the world according to their own tradition.

What the natives were doing made absolute sense to them. It made no sense to Release warriors who could come back and kill Them Later. It was the Arabs who introduced slavery to Sub‑Saharan Africa by encouraging African kingdoms to sell their captives rather than kill them, and the Arabs considered this humane because it saved lives.
There was a time when slavery was a very minor fact of life in Sub‑Saharan Africa. The Arab writers and travelers Al‑Bakri and Ibn Khaldun noted that the usual outcome for captives was to be killed, sometimes tortured, and sometimes sacrificed. They believed this was a waste of valuable manpower and morally wrong, though of course they were viewing the world according to their own tradition.

What the natives were doing made absolute sense to them. It made no sense to return warriors who could come back and kill you tomorrow. It was the Arabs who introduced slavery to Sub‑Saharan Africa by encouraging African kingdoms to sell their captives rather than kill them, and the Arabs considered this very humane because it saved lives. And this happened centuries before the Europeans showed up.

Let's face it, for many civilizations for many thousands of years, slavery was a tried and true vital cog in many economies. It was not just a black thing, it was often an anyone thing, whoever was on the losing end of a bitter territorial battle.

What many do not know is that slavery played a big role in the founding of America in that there was a great effort at the time to ban slavery by many but many of the states threatened to secede from the union if they pressed the matter too far, so the thinking was they'd come back to it (and they did about 50 years later), otherwise, slavery would have been written out of the Constitution.

Of course, it took another century of slowly evolving standards, thinking, and societal change to really catch up in many ways before the last vestiges of slavery were really thrown away--- in many ways, the freed slave or black back then was viewed in many ways as illegal immigrants are being viewed now.

 

[rightwinger]

It ended up having a lasting impact. It led to organizations like the White League, the Knights of the White Camellia, and the Ku Klux Klan, and eventually to Jim Crow laws, which lasted until the 1960s.

No, those organizations were formed by whites who were outraged that former slaves were becoming “uppity” and thinking they were as good as they were.

 

[longly]

There was a time when slavery was a very minor fact of life in Sub‑Saharan Africa. The Arab writers and travelers Al‑Bakri and Ibn Khaldun noted that the usual outcome for captives was to be killed, sometimes tortured, and sometimes sacrificed. They believed this was a waste of valuable manpower and morally wrong, though of course they were viewing the world according to their own tradition.

What the natives were doing made absolute sense to them. It made no sense to Release warriors who could come back and kill Them Later. It was the Arabs who introduced slavery to Sub‑Saharan Africa by encouraging African kingdoms to sell their captives rather than kill them, and the Arabs considered this humane because it saved lives.
There was a time when slavery was a very minor fact of life in Sub‑Saharan Africa. The Arab writers and travelers Al‑Bakri and Ibn Khaldun noted that the usual outcome for captives was to be killed, sometimes tortured, and sometimes sacrificed. They believed this was a waste of valuable manpower and morally wrong, though of course they were viewing the world according to their own tradition.

What the natives were doing made absolute sense to them. It made no sense to return warriors who could come back and kill you tomorrow. It was the Arabs who introduced slavery to Sub‑Saharan Africa by encouraging African kingdoms to sell their captives rather than kill them, and the Arabs considered this very humane because it saved lives. And this happened centuries before the Europeans showed up.

Sorry about the duplication. Evidently, I let my laptop battery run down, and when I pasted my post here, it didn’t register right away. As a result, I ended up posting it again because I thought the first attempt hadn’t worked. I do my writing, editing, and verification offsite using my own processor.

 

[longly]

No, those organizations were formed by whites who were outraged that former slaves were becoming “uppity” and thinking they were as good as they were.

This was a reply to Rightwinger about "white nations created the market". It is tied in to the Slavery Issue.

No, those organizations were formed by whites who were outraged that former slaves were becoming “uppity” and thinking they were as good as they were.

No, those organizations were formed by whites who were outraged that former slaves were becoming “uppity” and thinking they were as good as they were.

Yes, raping, robbing, and murdering are sure signs of uppitiness. Or are you saying that Black Union soldiers were so morally superior that they were immune from such atrocities? Well, if you are, you’re wrong. There is no moral superiority among any people, regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity—people are basically the same everywhere. And if you’ll remember, the rebels had no protection under the law. Anything could be done to a rebel, and it was not a violation of any law; they had no standing in court. The only protection they had was the local commander, who generally hated them, so it was only natural they tried to produce their own protection. At least in the beginning emotions ran hot, though after some years things cooled. But in the beginning, Union soldiers hated Southerners and didn’t care what happened to them. That wasn’t government policy, but armies don’t always follow government policy unless forced to.

 

[ReinyDays]

My ancestors were pacifists ... refused to fight ... you girlie-girl Americans don't understand why that's not a position available during the Wars of Religion ... even out in the most distant Holland polder ... "join our church or die" ... this is also called the "80 Year War" because it lasted ... 80 years ...

We fled across Europe being persecuted all the way to Tzarist Russia where we met an agent from the Topeka and Santa Fe Railroad Company ... well, you know the story from here, now don't you ... Kansas plus Railroad equals something worth losing in 1929 ...

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, raping, robbing, and murdering are sure signs of uppitiness. Or are you saying that Black Union soldiers were so morally superior that they were immune from such atrocities? Well, if you are, you’re wrong. There is no moral superiority among any people, regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity—people are basically the same everywhere. And if you’ll remember, the rebels had no protection under the law. Anything could be done to a rebel, and it was not a violation of any law; they had no standing in court. The only protection they had was the local commander, who generally hated them, so it was only natural they tried to produce their own protection. At least in the beginning emotions ran hot, though after some years things cooled. But in the beginning, Union soldiers hated Southerners and didn’t care what happened to them. That wasn’t government policy, but armies don’t always follow government policy unless forced to.

The Union Army remained in place during Reconstruction to protect freed slaves from the wrath of the defeated South.
As soon as they left, that wrath returned and lasted another 100 years

 

[longly]

The Union Army remained in place during Reconstruction to protect freed slaves from the wrath of the defeated South.
As soon as they left, that wrath returned and lasted another 100 years

The North had ten years to modify the feelings and hostilities of the South, and it could have done so. They could have used the velvet glove instead of the iron hammer, but they chose the hammer. One of the biggest mistakes the Union made was strict army press censorship. Had they allowed freedom of the press and insisted on the truth, people would have seen that the atrocities committed by Union soldiers—Black or white—were not as horrific as rumors made them out to be. If the Union had prosecuted these crimes and publicized them, it might have modified public opinion of the South. But they did not do these things. On top of that, they failed to learn from it and after World War I did the same things with their punishments of Germany, which helped produce World War II. It was only After World War II that the world finally got smart and learned not to brutalize a defeated people—or at least the West did. The Russians, however, brutalized their side, and it paid dividends for them in the future.

 

[rightwinger]

The North had ten years to modify the feelings and hostilities of the South, and it could have done so. They could have used the velvet glove instead of the iron hammer, but they chose the hammer. One of the biggest mistakes the Union made was strict army press censorship. Had they allowed freedom of the press and insisted on the truth, people would have seen that the atrocities committed by Union soldiers—Black or white—were not as horrific as rumors made them out to be. If the Union had prosecuted these crimes and publicized them, it might have modified public opinion of the South. But they did not do these things. On top of that, they failed to learn from it and after World War I did the same things with their punishments of Germany, which helped produce World War II. It was only After World War II that the world finally got smart and learned not to brutalize a defeated people—or at least the West did. The Russians, however, brutalized their side, and it paid dividends for them in the future.

The South was never going to accept freed slaves as equals

They invoked terrorism to intimidate blacks and force them onto second class status legally, socially and politically.

Terrorist attacks lasted a hundred years

 

[braalian]

There is no moral superiority among any people, regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity—people are basically the same everywhere.

So you’d agree that the confederacy was indisputably wrong and slavery was indisputably evil