Zone1 Are all people equally valuable?

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Would you say that all human beings are equally valuable? I'm not talking about this from the perspective of society. When we look at this world and all the horrible things that humans have done to one another throughout history, I think it's safe to say that most people don't believe that all lives are equally valuable. But of course people aren't the source of objective truth. So my question is, what do you believe the actual truth is, in regard to human value? Would you say that all lives are inherently equal in value?

If your answer is yes, please explain why you believe that. If your answer is no, please explain why you believe that, and what things determine human value, in your view.

I'll start. I believe that all lives are equally valuable. Why, because as a Christian I believe that God is the source of actual truth, and in God's eyes we all have equal value. We were all created by God, we were all created in the image of God, and from a Christian perspective, Jesus (who was God in the flesh) died not just for some people, but for ALL people, whoever receives that gift of salvation, by faith.

This reminds me of a really good analogy about life being like a play... It's all temporary, and at the end of the day, things like money, social status, or anything else that society values ultimately means nothing. Why, because when the play is over, all the temporary things are gone and there is no difference between a Prince and a Pauper, in God's eyes.

I'll see if I can find that clip I'm thinking of, and if I do, I'll post it. But for now, what is your answer to this question?
 
Would you say that all human beings are equally valuable? I'm not talking about this from the perspective of society. When we look at this world and all the horrible things that humans have done to one another throughout history, I think it's safe to say that most people don't believe that all lives are equally valuable. But of course people aren't the source of objective truth. So my question is, what do you believe the actual truth is, in regard to human value? Would you say that all lives are inherently equal in value?

If your answer is yes, please explain why you believe that. If your answer is no, please explain why you believe that, and what things determine human value, in your view.

I'll start. I believe that all lives are equally valuable. Why, because as a Christian I believe that God is the source of actual truth, and in God's eyes we all have equal value. We were all created by God, we were all created in the image of God, and from a Christian perspective, Jesus (who was God in the flesh) died not just for some people, but for ALL people, whoever receives that gift of salvation, by faith.

This reminds me of a really good analogy about life being like a play... It's all temporary, and at the end of the day, things like money, social status, or anything else that society values ultimately means nothing. Why, because when the play is over, all the temporary things are gone and there is no difference between a Prince and a Pauper, in God's eyes.

I'll see if I can find that clip I'm thinking of, and if I do, I'll post it. But for now, what is your answer to this question?
At birth all human beings should be given a chance to prove that they are worthy of being in a Society that will allow them to use their God given talents to make something of themselves. Once it is proven that you can be a shit for brains, then you should be allowed to exterminate yourselves in any way possible.

Make bad choices, it is on you, not the rest of us.

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In God's eyes most are equally valuable in the eternal sense. But not so much in the mortal sense. If all were equally valuable in the flesh all would be called to repentance in their physical lifetime to spare them from the miseries of sin. Fortunately, all (or most) will be called to repentance in the resurrection/millennial/ judgment period. For now, only the church is being called.
 
Would you say that all human beings are equally valuable? I'm not talking about this from the perspective of society. When we look at this world and all the horrible things that humans have done to one another throughout history, I think it's safe to say that most people don't believe that all lives are equally valuable. But of course people aren't the source of objective truth. So my question is, what do you believe the actual truth is, in regard to human value? Would you say that all lives are inherently equal in value?

If your answer is yes, please explain why you believe that. If your answer is no, please explain why you believe that, and what things determine human value, in your view.

I'll start. I believe that all lives are equally valuable. Why, because as a Christian I believe that God is the source of actual truth, and in God's eyes we all have equal value. We were all created by God, we were all created in the image of God, and from a Christian perspective, Jesus (who was God in the flesh) died not just for some people, but for ALL people, whoever receives that gift of salvation, by faith.

This reminds me of a really good analogy about life being like a play... It's all temporary, and at the end of the day, things like money, social status, or anything else that society values ultimately means nothing. Why, because when the play is over, all the temporary things are gone and there is no difference between a Prince and a Pauper, in God's eyes.

I'll see if I can find that clip I'm thinking of, and if I do, I'll post it. But for now, what is your answer to this question?
of course not. most people are totally useless, and enough of them are a menace to society.
 
At birth all human beings should be given a chance to prove that they are worthy of being in a Society that will allow them to use their God given talents to make something of themselves. Once it is proven that you can be a shit for brains, then you should be allowed to exterminate yourselves in any way possible.

Make bad choices, it is on you, not the rest of us.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree that a person's bad choices are on them.... but I don't agree that bad choices (which may just be a temporary thing) determine intrinsic human value. That's what the question was, about intrinsic human value.
 
Well, there is a choice between the Will of God and Lucifer's lies. Too many today are going to follow Lucifer, not knowing that HE, Lucifer always gets his due.
I really don't think that there is any difference between the two.....The magic book notwithstanding.

Nobody is coming to help and you can't stop what's coming.

Stay frosty and prepare you angus. ;)
 
In God's eyes most are equally valuable in the eternal sense. But not so much in the mortal sense. If all were equally valuable in the flesh all would be called to repentance in their physical lifetime to spare them from the miseries of sin. Fortunately, all (or most) will be called to repentance in the resurrection/millennial/ judgment period. For now, only the church is being called.

What are you basing that on? I think everyone is called to repentance. But if I'm misunderstanding you, please clarify. Thanks
 
Here's the clip I had in mind. It's only 2 minutes, and I think it's worth watching...

 
I like the honesty there, lol. I think a lot of people think that way.
This whole question revolves around what we mean by "valuable", and that's a function of our individual value system.

In the market place everyone can produce labor that has its own particular market prices. We can improve the value of our labor by getting experience/training, etc. Under law we all got the the same value. If you kill a homeless person the penalty's the same even if you killed some movie star.

So. What value system are you talking about?
 
The expression, "Black lives matter," is offensive to some because it implies that ALL Black lives matter, and that Black lives matter more than.....someone who is not Black?

Whether a life matters or not is determined by one's actions. Elon Musk, like him or not, is responsible for the creation of tens of thousands of jobs and making products and software that benefit millions of lives. He matters His life has enormous value.

A political hack who holds elective office for the purpose of gaining personal power and forcing people do things that they otherwise would not do, is worse than worthless. The world would be a better place if s/he did not exist.

In God's eyes, we are all made in His image and likeness, so we are all "valuable" in that sense, but we are not God, and whether someone has value can be determined quantitatively, like it or not.
 
What are you basing that on? I think everyone is called to repentance. But if I'm misunderstanding you, please clarify. Thanks
The gospel has largely been preached to everyone along with the call to repentance. However, only those God draws can come to Christ, so while many if not all hear the 'call' few are actually 'chosen' in this the church age. And while many may repent out of fear only the Holy Spirit can cause one to repent out of love.
 
This whole question revolves around what we mean by "valuable", and that's a function of our individual value system.

In the market place everyone can produce labor that has its own particular market prices. We can improve the value of our labor by getting experience/training, etc. Under law we all got the the same value. If you kill a homeless person the penalty's the same even if you killed some movie star.

So. What value system are you talking about?

I guess I'm having a hard time putting this into words. I'm not asking about things like value in the marketplace, or value under our legal system... As I said in the original post, I'm not talking about this from the perspective of society, but what is the actual, objective truth? As a Christian I believe that God is the source of objective truth, so ultimately the only thing that really matters is what is true in God's eyes. And in God's eyes, all human lives have equal value.

I know that many here aren't Christians, and many aren't believers at all, so of course those with a different worldview are going to answer this question in a different way. But again, truth is not determined by any of our opinions or beliefs... it just is what it is. Some people might not believe objective truth exists at all, but I think that is illogical.
 
Everyone is equal at birth.

But that changes depending on a person’s choices in life. If there was one heart available for two people, both equally matched, and one was a law-abiding member of society and the other was a violent felon who had raped someone, then the heart goes to the good person.
 
The gospel has largely been preached to everyone along with the call to repentance. However, only those God draws can come to Christ, so while many if not all hear the 'call' few are actually 'chosen' in this the church age. And while many may repent out of fear only the Holy Spirit can cause one to repent out of love.

I don't entirely agree... but since this actually getting into a different topic, I don't want to get into that on this thread. But I will say this, what you're saying sounds almost like Calvinism. Which I totally disagree with, but again, that's a topic for another thread.
 

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