Zone1 Are all people equally valuable?

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- is it a lie in texas or just the truth untold, bing and the crucifiers ...

The only one trying to crucify anyone here is you. You're just as sick as hobelim.

 

[Meathead]

Would you say that all human beings are equally valuable? I'm not talking about this from the perspective of society. When we look at this world and all the horrible things that humans have done to one another throughout history, I think it's safe to say that most people don't believe that all lives are equally valuable. But of course people aren't the source of objective truth. So my question is, what do you believe the actual truth is, in regard to human value? Would you say that all lives are inherently equal in value?

If your answer is yes, please explain why you believe that. If your answer is no, please explain why you believe that, and what things determine human value, in your view.

I'll start. I believe that all lives are equally valuable. Why, because as a Christian I believe that God is the source of actual truth, and in God's eyes we all have equal value. We were all created by God, we were all created in the image of God, and from a Christian perspective, Jesus (who was God in the flesh) died not just for some people, but for ALL people, whoever receives that gift of salvation, by faith.

This reminds me of a really good analogy about life being like a play... It's all temporary, and at the end of the day, things like money, social status, or anything else that society values ultimately means nothing. Why, because when the play is over, all the temporary things are gone and there is no difference between a Prince and a Pauper, in God's eyes.

I'll see if I can find that clip I'm thinking of, and if I do, I'll post it. But for now, what is your answer to this question?

No. All people are created equal, but that is biblical. Life is cheap to some but more valued to others. Hamas and Israel is a clear indicator of that.

 

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Please don't feed the troll.

It's a complete waste of time. I don't use the ignore feature, but I do ignore his posts, because he's a one-trick pony who does nothing but troll with the same repeated hateful nonsense, over and over, 24/7/365 in this section. If he posts on the actual topic, great, but if it's just more of his usual trolling, I really wish you all would not engage with him, on this thread anyway. Thanks ding.

Both of them are dangerous. Before hateful actions can occur, hateful words are spoken. They didn't start off throwing Jews in gas chambers. They started with hateful rhetoric first.

 

[buttercup]

No. All people are created equal, but that is biblical. Life is cheap to some but more valued to others. Hamas and Israel is a clear indicator of that.

That is certainly how many people see it. But can you find any scriptures that show that God says some humans are more valuable than others?

 

[buttercup]

Both of them are dangerous. Before hateful actions can occur, hateful words are spoken. They didn't start off throwing Jews in gas chambers. They started with hateful rhetoric first.

I agree. But some people can't be reasoned with. That is not to say that I think some people are hopeless. I don't believe that at all. I'm just saying that trying to talk sense into some people is about as useful as trying to reason with a viper.

 

[Meathead]

That is certainly how many people see it. But can you find any scriptures that show that God says some humans are more valuable than others?

True. It is from John Locke and not the Bible, but none-the-less a basis of English Common Law.

 

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I agree. But some people can't be reasoned with. That is not to say that I think some people are hopeless. I don't believe that at all. I'm just saying that trying to talk sense into some people is about as useful as trying to reason with a viper.

I'm not trying to reason with either of them. They are unreasonable.

 

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your brothers are calling for you ...

The only liars here are you and your brother Hobelim. I'm praying God has mercy on both of your souls.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

200 49. Are all people equally valuable when freedom of privacy for conscience is not guaranteed as a natural right?

The only liars here are you and your brother Hobelim. I'm praying God has mercy on both of your souls.

NotfooledbyW ccxlix. to 248. : As if you never lie Saint Ding.

some reading for you to help you find the truth:

Faith of Our Founders. Morton Borden is a professor of history at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and author of Jews, Turks, and Infidels (University of North Carolina Press, 1984).​

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The struggle between two contending images of America has been a constant of our history. From the beginning, many Americans, unhappy with a Constitution that was undeniably secular, defined the United States as a Christian nation. They believed that the civil order and spiritual order are interrelated and interdependent; that if Christianity is the true faith, those who deny it are wrong and misguided; that non-Christians should be tolerated but that government, to be strong and virtuous and moral, must be allied with the religion of the majority. This is essentially the message of the Christian right today.​

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Opposed to it has been the definition associated most notably with Thomas Jefferson: that all religions have merit, but that religion is a private concern; that Christianity or Protestantism has no monopoly on truth; that government should neither favor nor discriminate and must be divorced from religion. Jefferson's view of religious freedom, some of his contemporaries complained, exalted individual freedom at the expense of majority rights. Indeed it did, and still does, since Jefferson opposed all tyrannies, of monarchs as well as of majorities. He considered his authorship of the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom as memorable and significant as the Declaration of Independence.​

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But there have been many throughout American history, to this day, who have been unable to accept either Jefferson's ideas on religious freedom​

or his motives.​

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200 49. Are all people equally valuable when freedom of privacy for conscience is not guaranteed as a natural right?




NotfooledbyW ccxlix. to 248. : As if you never lie Saint Ding.

some reading for you to help you find the truth:

Faith of Our Founders. Morton Borden is a professor of history at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and author of Jews, Turks, and Infidels (University of North Carolina Press, 1984).​

​

The struggle between two contending images of America has been a constant of our history. From the beginning, many Americans, unhappy with a Constitution that was undeniably secular, defined the United States as a Christian nation. They believed that the civil order and spiritual order are interrelated and interdependent; that if Christianity is the true faith, those who deny it are wrong and misguided; that non-Christians should be tolerated but that government, to be strong and virtuous and moral, must be allied with the religion of the majority. This is essentially the message of the Christian right today.​

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Opposed to it has been the definition associated most notably with Thomas Jefferson: that all religions have merit, but that religion is a private concern; that Christianity or Protestantism has no monopoly on truth; that government should neither favor nor discriminate and must be divorced from religion. Jefferson's view of religious freedom, some of his contemporaries complained, exalted individual freedom at the expense of majority rights. Indeed it did, and still does, since Jefferson opposed all tyrannies, of monarchs as well as of majorities. He considered his authorship of the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom as memorable and significant as the Declaration of Independence.​

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But there have been many throughout American history, to this day, who have been unable to accept either Jefferson's ideas on religious freedom​

or his motives.​

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I'm no saint. I didn't see the need to read beyond that.