You may have zero issues with gays but gays went through the exact kind of demonization as trans are now going through. They were considered mentally ill, they were not given the same rights as straight couples, they were dismissed and degraded by our society, they were shocked in the brain to try and cure their āillnessā. It was a disgusting display of bigotry. The same thing is happening to transā¦ you canāt just say they are demented and crazy and send them to the doctor for a cure. It doesnāt work that way. Like it or not solutions come with understanding, compassion and empathy. You donāt want to call a biological male a female yet you also fight against alternative pronouns. What the hell?! So you have no practical ideas on how to make progress except to call them sick, keep them out of your bubble and send the to the doctor for some magical help that doesnāt exist?!?!?! Wonderful.
Half my family voted for Trump. People I love very much. I donāt Respect Trump, I dont agree with the vote, but I still have plenty of love and respect for these people.
Thatās because standing up for the oppressed and victimized and those being attacked is a righteous stand. Those executing bigotry, racism and discrimination are fostering a destructive environment that goes against the values in which I live by. Why in the world would you want to stand on the side of hate and exclusion?
They arenāt the same. Gays werenāt asking me to use different pronouns. Jews were demonized too. You cannot compare all demonizations. Thatās dishonest.
Haha, youāre right, gays were not asking for the exact same things. That wasnāt my point but I think you know that. Is this really going over your head or are you just being difficult? Gays had their own issues and their own things they wanted and were being attacked for. Iām not claiming that all those issues were the exact same as trans. Im saying that not so long ago they were attacked by our āsocietyā in a very similar way as trans, still are in many cases. There wasnāt a large attempt to understand and acceptā¦ it was demonize, degrade, avoid and send them to the mental hospital to get fixed. What I hope you see as ugly and wrong about the treatment for gays is exactly how many see the treatment of trans now. When our kids are our age they will look back at these times and be ashamed of how we treated our fellow citizens and neighbors.
Let me answer your question with a question to make my pointā¦ if one black person eating at a restaurant makes the 30 white customers uncomfortable then is standing up for the black persons right to eat there righteous? Of course it is. Now I do understand the conundrum with trans using restrooms and playing sports in schools so I agree that those issues need to be carefully figured out. But in general per our conversation, there is right and wrong and standing up for right in the face of wrong is always righteous
It wasn't a similar way. That is where we disagree. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Gays never asked me to call them a different pronoun or to ignore their biology. They just asked to be able to have relations with the same sex in peace and marry the same sex. Zero issues with that. You asking me to call you a woman and allow you in the same locker room and competitive events as my daughters is asking too much. We are going in circles. Why can you not just acknowledge what I am saying instead of parroting...well in the past others felt bad. Don't care. Apples and oranges.
False conflation again. Eating is not something done in private. A locker room is. Competitive sports are and you cannot have it both ways. You cannot identify as a woman sometimes but not all the time. If a person wants to eat naked and they are OK and 30 in there are not OK, should the person be allowed to eat naked? No. Please stop with your idiotic false conflations. They are making you look even more stupid than you usually look.
Yes gays asked to be able to love who they want to love and to marry them and have the same legal rights as straight couples and they were demonized for decades. Still are today. The demonization is very similar to what you say about trans. They are sick, mentally ill, donāt expose our kids to it, keep it out of our sight, keep them out of my store etc etc. send them to the doctor and they will fix them. Sound familiar??
Well now youāre conflating differentiating actions with somebodyās simple presence. Thatās not an honest argument. Yet again youāre missing the point of the debate I was having with Marvin. Iām not talking about locker rooms and sports. We were talking about right and wrong and my point was countering his statement that one person making 30 people feel uncomfortable means that one person is in the wrong. Thatās not true
No it is not the same. Yes there are many people who are prejudice. Fat people were discriminated against as well and still are. I do not care about that. Until five minutes ago gender dysphoria was considered a mental illness and to me it remains as such. Why do you dismiss my schizophrenia example? Doesn't fit your leftist narrative. There is no bridge or gap. I am not changing the English language to satisfy less than 1% of the population because they feel uncomfortable.
You cannot pick and choose when to call them "she" and when to call them "he". How convenient. And many disagree with you and state they should be allowed in locker rooms and sports competitions because we have let it get that far. Its stupid and should not be allowed. Period. Right and wrong is subjective. My point is I do not want people with penises in the same locker room as my kids or playing physical sports against them. Period. End of story. I will not call them "She" unless they explicitly ask and then I will out of politeness only. I still believe them to be mentally ill.
Well thatās not the end of story because some people feel quite differently than what you mean when you say man. Gay was also viewed as a mental illness as well. What if the best medicine to fix this illness is simply love and acceptence. Why is that so hard for so many people. Gays are finally starting to be accepted but still deal with tons of judgement and discrimination in many areas of this country. Trans are in the early stages of integrating in with society. Like I said when our kids are our age they will view trans like we view gay and will look back at the things that were said an done against the LGBTQ community right now as a disgraceful and oppressive time in our history. Just like we feel about with Jim Crow from our parents and grandparents generation.
Don't tell me how my kids will view anything. Trans and Gays aren't even on the same planet. Gays still have the same body parts. Not so with trans. That is a huge difference. And conflating that with Jim Crow is another leftist trick and again you didn't address the schizophrenia example. Why not?
Thereās no trick and I wasnāt talking about your kids specifically I was speaking generally. āOur kidsā¦ as in their generation ā why do I need to explain that?!
Wrong again. You cannot control your skin color or sexual attraction. That is not illness. Mental illness is real and just like we don't cater to schizophrenics we should not cater to crazy people who believe they are a different gender.
Why is it more of an illness than being gay? You don't think its natural for a man to feel like he is in the wrong body and want to express themselves like our society has painted women to look and act... Other would say that it isn't natural to be attracted to somebody of the same sex and would also call that in illness. So why is gay natural and trans an illness?
Itās not natural no. They have no idea what itās like to be a woman. None. Being gay is sexual attraction. Completely different. It doesnāt mean I understand it as I like women and women liking other women is cool. So yeah OK. But trans? Same as schizophrenia. Mental illness. Why do we not cater to schizophrenics? You keep dodging that.
