Zone1 Allegory man, this thread is for you!!

[hobelim]

The strongest argument for the serpent as a symbol of guile (cunning, deceit) comes from Genesis 3:1, which describes the serpent as "more crafty" (Hebrew: arum) than any of the wild animals.

Exactly.

More crafty than any of "the wild beasts of the field" meaning more crafty than any of other people the Lord had also made. Wild beasts of the field is a metaphor for the strange tribes of people that resemble by their attributes animals in the wild, like people still compare each other to animals to either praise or insult in every language.

BTW, "guile", cunning intelligence, is a quality that applies to a specific human archetype. Thats what the story is a warning about. Losing your mind, your soul, to a con artist or narcissist to become their "possession" for life.

 

[hobelim]

What is the truth that was buried and hidden, and how do we all of a sudden know it now?

The only right WAY to understand the figurative language used in the Law, the hidden meaning of the words and subjects that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life ON EARTH for anyone who does it.

We all, whoever we is, suddenly knows it now because I have revealed it.

 

[hobelim]

Yes, of course. That is what a miracle is, when the impossible happens.

The original word is sign, not miracle, a sign that Jesus was the awaited Messiah, a Jewish man that Moses said would be sent by God to "convey all of his commands."

In the gospel of John there are exactly seven "miracles". In the revelation of John there are exactly seven seals put on scripture that prevent everyone from seeing what is written inside. Every miracle of Jesus from giving sight to the blind to raising the dead can be interpreted in a WAY that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't look and keep on looking you never will.

 

[Hafar1014]

The original word is sign, not miracle, a sign that Jesus was the awaited Messiah, a Jewish man that Moses said would be sent by God to "convey all of his commands."

In the gospel of John there are exactly seven "miracles". In the revelation of John there are exactly seven seals place on scripture that prevents everyone from seeing what is written inside. Every miracle of Jesus from giving sight to the blind to raising the dead can be interpreted in a WAY that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't look and keep on looking you never will.

Jews reject Jesus as the messiah. Miracles are not real.

 

[hobelim]

Of course Jesus used figurative language.

So what was Jesus referring to when he said "Eat my flesh" if it wasn't a direct reference to kosher law where the flesh of the described creatures is either clean or unclean, a revelation that the subject is teaching and not food.

And the creatures described in great detail in the divine menu represent universal human archetypes. Simple.

Some creatures you can eat their flesh but not drink their blood, because they say one thing but do another.

 

[hobelim]

Jews reject Jesus as the messiah. Miracles are not real.

I also reject the Jesus that Christians profess to believe in, a trinity that became a sacrificial Jewish man. And I reject their understanding of "miracles" which are every day occurrences every time a teacher opens the eyes of their blind students to literary devices used to convey an authors message in a simple manner to the readers.

Miracles are real, they happen all the time, depending on what a person thinks a miracle is.

I have seen idolators, dead and under the condemnation of God, rise to life. I have seen the lame jump around.

 

[Donald H]

Heavy! It appears that this is an emotional spinoff as a result of the murder. No Christian would introduce the discussion unless he's looking for reinforcement of his beliefs.

It's very unfair to ding, who has made a brave effort to reconcile his Christian beliefs with his intelligence.

Why the question at this particular time?

The OP is saying that he wants to talk about his own beliefs so he can get some likeminded support to reconcile his doubts.

Ding should have never hooked into this one. But he did and he's going to come out of it as the clear winner.

 

[hobelim]

The OP is saying that he wants to talk about his own beliefs so he can get some likeminded support to reconcile his doubts.

No, he had the false confidence that there was no rational explanation for the "miracles" in the Bible and so one had to accept that supernatural demonstrations of Divine power over REALITY actually and literally happened.

Now he knows better.

 

[hobelim]

It's very unfair to ding, who has made a brave effort to reconcile his Christian beliefs with his intelligence.

You are too funny!

 

[Donald H]

We might just as well spill all the beans at once on this thread.

The wild beasts of the field and Jonah's big fish literally mean the wild beasts and the big fish.

 

[BreezeWood]

"The original Hebrew text describes Moses' face as being "radiant" after his encounter with God, but the word for "ray" (keren) was mistakenly translated as "horn".

Apparently your dedication to self determination, lol, has had the same exact effect that it had on Adam. In spite of your tireless labor the sweat of your brow, thinking, has only produced thorns and thistles. Absolutely nothing.

Congratulations!

try again desert dweller - that's not the only image of the liar in horns ... they knew exactly what the horns mean wherever placed irregardless your phony explanation being from your own deck, hidden meaning just to help those that new the truth from being stoned to death by the mindless bible sociopaths.

 

[hobelim]

We might just as well spill all the beans at once on this thread.

The wild beasts of the field and Jonah's big fish literally mean the wild beasts and the big fish.

You might not realize this being a communist and all that, but most of the Bible, both the NT and the OT, were written during times of harsh oppression, persecution, and exile, when there was no such thing as freedom of expression and people were beaten, whipped, imprisoned, enslaved, and killed for trivial reasons daily. So just like any criminalized or demonized people the Jewish people developed a figurative language THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO that went over the heads of their many superstitious violent illiterate and irrational enemies just like every criminalized people have done in every country all over the world since time began and still do to this day.

One could not openly say "do not listen to the Romans" without severe consequences, but they could say do not eat the flesh of swine THAT DO NOT RUMINATE and the Romans would just think it was ignorant silly and laugh.

Capisci?

I have rid this place of a rat infestation, and all the diseases it brings. Its time to pay the piper dude. Or else....

 

[hobelim]

try again desert dweller - that's not the only image of the liar in horns ... they knew exactly what the horns mean wherever placed irregardless your phony explanation being from your own deck, hidden meaning just to help those that new the truth from being stoned to death by the mindless bible sociopaths.

All righty then.

I received your message. Jews bad. And I reject that crap as the blood of swine dripping from your unclean lips.

 

[ding]

One could not openly say "do not listen to the Romans" without severe consequences, but they could say do not eat the flesh of swine THAT DO NOT RUMINATE and the Romans would just think it was ignorant silly and laugh.

Do you have any evidence that this is what they did?

 

[ding]

The original word is sign, not miracle, a sign that Jesus was the awaited Messiah, a Jewish man that Moses said would be sent by God to "convey all of his commands."

In the gospel of John there are exactly seven "miracles". In the revelation of John there are exactly seven seals put on scripture that prevent everyone from seeing what is written inside. Every miracle of Jesus from giving sight to the blind to raising the dead can be interpreted in a WAY that conforms to and can be confirmed by reality.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't look and keep on looking you never will.

Which commands did Jesus convey? Can you cite the verses?

 

[ding]

No, he had the false confidence that there was no rational explanation for the "miracles" in the Bible and so one had to accept that supernatural demonstrations of Divine power over REALITY actually and literally happened.

Now he knows better.

After Jesus rose from the dead, the apostles realized Jesus was God, came out of hiding and began boldly proclaiming that Jesus is God. Never before has a major religion began after its leader was executed. The apostles did not risk persecution and imprisonment because Jesus said some wise things. They did it because they witnessed the miracles performed by Jesus, saw the risen Christ and were filled with the Holy Spirit. Non-Christian historians recorded that Christians worshipped Jesus as God and the Babylonian Talmud recorded that Jesus was executed for performing miracles and claiming he was equal to God which is exactly what the Gospels recorded.

 

[ding]

Ding should have never hooked into this one.

Why not?

 

[ding]

No, he had the false confidence that there was no rational explanation for the "miracles" in the Bible and so one had to accept that supernatural demonstrations of Divine power over REALITY actually and literally happened.

Now he knows better.

First of all, you have no evidence. But most importantly your fake narrative doesn’t explain why Jesus was worshipped as God immediately after he rose from the dead or why the apostles would risk their lives doing so.

 

[ding]

You know who you are, you are the allegory man!!!

Was this what you were wanting?

 

[BreezeWood]

All righty then.

I received your message. Jews bad. And I reject that crap as the blood of swine dripping from your unclean lips.

good for you -

the liar w/ their phony commandments - you and him and judaism together as one.

the three desert religions - the true trinity.

they knew all to well before the christian bible. then they forgot the hidden treasure the 1st century events.