Zone1 Allegory man, this thread is for you!!

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Calm down, GazaShev.

 

[HaShev]

I'm pretty sure the meme YOU posted was a dig on Christianity and Christians, GazaShev.

once again, the meme was a Christian post in a Christian forum, it's called self observation and admission, like Fetterman admitting his party has gone meshuga.

 

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once again, the meme was a Christian post in a Christian forum, it's called self observation and admission, like Fetterman admitting his party has gone meshuga.

Sure, GazaShev, sure.

 

[BreezeWood]

the meme was a Christian post in a Christian forum ...

what's a jew doing in a christian forum ... brothers being all the same.

funny how desert dwellers all think of theirs the true religion when all three have the identical corrupt preamble written in their bibles much like fly's circling a carcass.

than the true beginning, self determination by choice for their heavenly judgement.

 

[shimon]

I'm pretty sure the meme YOU posted was a dig on Christianity and Christians, GazaShev.

What’s with the GazaShev Ding we don’t refer to you as DingAdiposa or Ding Adipaka since those tribes inhabit the Houston area… Do you pay them a fee when you go golfing on their land or do you keep your hands in your pockets instead of hands up Wink..What has Hashev got to do with Gaza since he lives in the states or are you claiming that all people of Jewish persuasion are responsible for what is going on in Gaza.. That smacks of antisemitism in the worst case scenario or just being an ass and since your handle is a donkey one can see it seems to fit.. Is that what you want us to refer to you as or just a talking donkey that is going around braying constantly about nothing important or nothing in particular…

 

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What’s with the GazaShev Ding we don’t refer to you as DingAdiposa or Ding Adipaka since those tribes inhabit the Houston area… Do you pay them a fee when you go golfing on their land or do you keep your hands in your pockets instead of hands up Wink..What has Hashev got to do with Gaza since he lives in the states or are you claiming that all people of Jewish persuasion are responsible for what is going on in Gaza.. That smacks of antisemitism in the worst case scenario or just being an ass and since your handle is a donkey one can see it seems to fit.. Is that what you want us to refer to you as or just a talking donkey that is going around braying constantly about nothing important or nothing in particular…

I can't hear you over your playing second fiddle to GazaShev, GazaShimon.

 

[HaShev]

I can't hear you over your playing second fiddle to GazaShev, GazaShimon.

So that means your church of Shimon Peter is second fiddle to the Church of Jesus who is second fiddle to the church of John the Baptist (Mandeans sect of Sabeans)?
Jesus (Theudas)was a follower of John before he had Salome rat him out and handed him over to be beheaded, so he could take over most of his followers, so says the surviving followers of John.

 

[BreezeWood]

- or are you claiming that all people of Jewish persuasion are responsible for what is going on in Gaza.. That smacks of antisemitism in the worst case scenario ...

no doubt about it almost as pathetic a denial as claiming a pug ever voted for medicare ... really, shimon you haven't caught on antisemitism is by their own account a passing joke.

 

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So that means your church of Shimon Peter is second fiddle to the Church of Jesus who is second fiddle to the church of John the Baptist (Mandeans sect of Sabeans)?
Jesus (Theudas)was a follower of John before he had Salome rat him out and handed him over to be beheaded, so he could take over most of his followers, so says the surviving followers of John.

No. It means you missed the boat that God sent you.

The doctrine of the resurrection is central to Christianity – so much so that St. Paul states:

If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead… Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied (1Cor 15:13-15,18-19).

It is truly extraordinary that Paul made the claim that if there is no resurrection from the dead, that the faith of believers is useless and that all who have died in Christ have died in their sins. Paul knows that if he is lying, he and the other disciples have jeopardized the salvation of the whole Christian community, and furthermore he emerges as a false witness (a perjurer) before God, and is answerable to Him. The consequences of lying to (or even deceiving) believers about the resurrection cannot be overstated, because the resurrection is the foundation of Jesus’ claim to be the exclusive Son of God – and the unconditional love of God with us.

 

[HaShev]

No. It means you missed the boat that God sent you.

The doctrine of the resurrection is central to Christianity – so much so that St. Paul states:

If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead… Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied (1Cor 15:13-15,18-19).

It is truly extraordinary that Paul made the claim that if there is no resurrection from the dead, that the faith of believers is useless and that all who have died in Christ have died in their sins. Paul knows that if he is lying, he and the other disciples have jeopardized the salvation of the whole Christian community, and furthermore he emerges as a false witness (a perjurer) before God, and is answerable to Him. The consequences of lying to (or even deceiving) believers about the resurrection cannot be overstated, because the resurrection is the foundation of Jesus’ claim to be the exclusive Son of God – and the unconditional love of God with us.

Your church only teaches the "JUDAIC" teaching of resurrection in it's story of their character, but not in it's overall teaching of afterlife in death aka death worship aka death cultism aka Egyptian underworld teachings.
Jewish belief is in a return( HaShev) to life as a reward to see your works and deeds in forming a paradise in life not in death.
The recent found Essene limestone cleansing cup found in YeruShalem (after they fled Qumran) had described only one line was legible that was a prayer and wish to Return (HaShev).

 

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Your church only teaches the "JUDAIC" teaching of resurrection in it's story of their character, but not in it's overall teaching of afterlife in death aka death worship aka death cultism aka Egyptian underworld teachings.
Jewish belief is in a return( HaShev) to life as a reward to see your works and deeds in forming a paradise in life not in death.
The recent found Essene limestone cleansing cup found in YeruShalem (after they fled Qumran) had described only one line was legible that was a prayer and wish to Return (HaShev).

Based upon N.T. Wright’s 2nd argument for the Historicity of Jesus’ Resurrection:

Wright’s second and more extensive argument for the historicity of the resurrection appearances stems from several Christian mutations of the Jewish doctrine of resurrection prevalent at the time of Jesus (Second-Temple Judaism). He shows through a study of the New Testament (particularly the Letters of Paul and the Gospel narratives of the resurrection appearances) that Christianity changed the dominant Jewish view of “resurrection” in five major ways:

1. The Jewish picture of resurrection was a return to the same kind of bodily life as the one experienced before death (except in a new world with the righteous). Christian views always entailed transformation into a very different kind of life – incorruptible, glorious, and spiritual while still maintaining embodiment.35 The Christian view is so different from the Jewish one that Paul has to develop a new term to speak about it – “body spiritual” (soma pneumatikon). In 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 he makes every effort to distinguish the Christian doctrine from the Jewish one: “It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body,and there is a spiritual body…..However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.”

2. In Second Temple Judaism, no one was expected to rise from the dead before the initiation of the final age by Yahweh, however Christians claimed that this occurred with Jesus.36

3. No one connected the Messiah to the resurrection or the Jewish doctrine of resurrection to the Messiah prior to Christianity: “There are no traditions about a Messiah being raised to life: most Jews of this period hoped for resurrection, many Jews of this period hoped for a Messiah, but nobody put those two hopes together until the early Christians did so.”37

4. For the Jewish people, the eschatological age was in the future; for Christians the eschatological age had already arrived (and would be completed in the future).38

5. The doctrine of resurrection is central to the earliest writings of Christianity (e.g., all 9 of the early kerygmas), central to the writings of Paul39 and all the Gospel writers,40 and is the interconnecting theme among early Christian doctrines. The doctrine of the resurrection grounds Christology, particularly the doctrine of Christ’s glorification and, in part, the doctrine of Christ’s divinity; it grounds the Christian doctrine of soteriology – “for if the dead are not raised, neither has Christ been raised” (1Cor 15:16); it shows God’s vindication of Jesus’ teaching; it grounds Christian eschatology; and is, in every respect, central to all other doctrines.

Second Temple Judaism does not place the resurrection in any such central role, and does not use it as an interconnecting theme for its doctrines. It is almost secondary in importance to other doctrines concerned with the law and prayer.

So what could explain this radical change? The preaching of Jesus? This is not tenable because Jesus does not put the resurrection at the center of His doctrine, but rather the arrival of the kingdom. Furthermore, He does not connect the resurrection to His Messiahship, and He certainly does not talk about the resurrection being transformed embodiment (or spiritual embodiment, or glorified embodiment), which is evident in the early Christian doctrine. The obvious explanation would be that the many witnesses (e.g., Peter, the Twelve, the 500 disciples, James, the early missionaries to the Gentile Church, and Paul himself) saw the risen Jesus in a transformed embodied state (manifesting at once a spiritual transformation which had the appearance of divine glory and power, and some form of embodiment which was continuous with Jesus’ embodiment in His ministry). This would easily explain all five of the above-mentioned mutations.

 

[HaShev]

Based upon N.T. Wright’s 2nd argument for the Historicity of Jesus’ Resurrection:

Wright’s second and more extensive argument for the historicity of the resurrection appearances stems from several Christian mutations of the Jewish doctrine of resurrection prevalent at the time of Jesus (Second-Temple Judaism). He shows through a study of the New Testament (particularly the Letters of Paul and the Gospel narratives of the resurrection appearances) that Christianity changed the dominant Jewish view of “resurrection” in five major ways:

1. The Jewish picture of resurrection was a return to the same kind of bodily life as the one experienced before death (except in a new world with the righteous). Christian views always entailed transformation into a very different kind of life – incorruptible, glorious, and spiritual while still maintaining embodiment.35 The Christian view is so different from the Jewish one that Paul has to develop a new term to speak about it – “body spiritual” (soma pneumatikon). In 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 he makes every effort to distinguish the Christian doctrine from the Jewish one: “It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body,and there is a spiritual body…..However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.”

2. In Second Temple Judaism, no one was expected to rise from the dead before the initiation of the final age by Yahweh, however Christians claimed that this occurred with Jesus.36

3. No one connected the Messiah to the resurrection or the Jewish doctrine of resurrection to the Messiah prior to Christianity: “There are no traditions about a Messiah being raised to life: most Jews of this period hoped for resurrection, many Jews of this period hoped for a Messiah, but nobody put those two hopes together until the early Christians did so.”37

4. For the Jewish people, the eschatological age was in the future; for Christians the eschatological age had already arrived (and would be completed in the future).38

5. The doctrine of resurrection is central to the earliest writings of Christianity (e.g., all 9 of the early kerygmas), central to the writings of Paul39 and all the Gospel writers,40 and is the interconnecting theme among early Christian doctrines. The doctrine of the resurrection grounds Christology, particularly the doctrine of Christ’s glorification and, in part, the doctrine of Christ’s divinity; it grounds the Christian doctrine of soteriology – “for if the dead are not raised, neither has Christ been raised” (1Cor 15:16); it shows God’s vindication of Jesus’ teaching; it grounds Christian eschatology; and is, in every respect, central to all other doctrines.

Second Temple Judaism does not place the resurrection in any such central role, and does not use it as an interconnecting theme for its doctrines. It is almost secondary in importance to other doctrines concerned with the law and prayer.

So what could explain this radical change? The preaching of Jesus? This is not tenable because Jesus does not put the resurrection at the center of His doctrine, but rather the arrival of the kingdom. Furthermore, He does not connect the resurrection to His Messiahship, and He certainly does not talk about the resurrection being transformed embodiment (or spiritual embodiment, or glorified embodiment), which is evident in the early Christian doctrine. The obvious explanation would be that the many witnesses (e.g., Peter, the Twelve, the 500 disciples, James, the early missionaries to the Gentile Church, and Paul himself) saw the risen Jesus in a transformed embodied state (manifesting at once a spiritual transformation which had the appearance of divine glory and power, and some form of embodiment which was continuous with Jesus’ embodiment in His ministry). This would easily explain all five of the above-mentioned mutations.

The only "return" was Lazarus and it was missunderstood, they deemed you banished from the holy city into the trash heep outside the city walls-Gehinnom as being dead (like O'Leary says" you're dead to me" like the AMISH say to those outcasted
"YOU'RE Dead to us", when outcasted you are dead to the community.
Someone can argue on your behalf to have you "brought back, returned, allowed back"
Theudas (the Jesus image in the Pilate era) and Lazarus were more than just friends according to the NT and the gnostic writings, so Jesus (Theudas) pleaded for his lover to be reinstated into the community= brought back from the dead.

 

[shimon]

The only "return" was Lazarus and it was missunderstood, they deemed you banished from the holy city into the trash heep outside the city walls-Gehinnom as being dead (like O'Leary says" you're dead to me" like the AMISH say to those outcasted
"YOU'RE Dead to us", when outcasted you are dead to the community.
Someone can argue on your behalf to have you "brought back, returned, allowed back"
Theudas (the Jesus image in the Pilate era) and Lazarus were more than just friends according to the NT and the gnostic writings, so Jesus (Theudas) pleaded for his lover to be reinstated into the community= brought back from the dead.

Usually the simplest explanation makes the most sense… I have known fathers and mothers who have shunned their own children for this a prime example is in fiddler on the roof where the daughter falls in love with someone outside the faith and the father will no longer have anything to do with her as far as he is concerned she is dead to him…

 

[HaShev]

Usually the simplest explanation makes the most sense… I have known fathers and mothers who have shunned their own children for this a prime example is in fiddler on the roof where the daughter falls in love with someone outside the faith and the father will no longer have anything to do with her as far as he is concerned she is dead to him…

The million dollar question is, why was Lazarus banned from the Holy city, was it his sexuality or was it his financing of the cult thus financing the revolt which put the community in jeopardy ?
Sources for Lazarus:
in the missing portions of Mark it shows Jesus sleeping with a naked young rich man, but also the NT validates this:
"...there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold of him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked." (Mark 14:51-52). Was this the companion that Luke observed with Jesus inside the garden?

"...he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked on that day..."(Amos 2:16----the Hebrew 'labab' translated 'flee away' here, actually means 'transported with love', and also 'ravished'). Now that certainly fits this episode of the young man fleeing away naked from Jesus outside the garden of Gethsemane.

Who was this young man if not perhaps the rich man whom "Then Jesus beholding him, loved him..."(Mark 10:21). Perhaps it was the rich man Lazarus, of whom "...he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth..."(John 11:11----The Greek 'philos' translated 'friend', also means 'dear' and 'fond of').

A newly translated Gnostic gospel, entitled The Secret Book of Judas ofKerioth, According to this seeminglyauthentic early Cainite-Ophite text, translated from the Coptic by Mohammed al-Murtada and Francis Bendik, said Jesus had an active bisexual love life,including relationswith John, Lazarus and Mary Magdelene.

Why I think this Jesus account is Theudas by the Jordan and not the Galilean tax revolter Yehuda is because Yehuda the Galilean christ figure had 2 sons who also died by the hands of Rome over their revolt and John the Baptist fits more with the Jordan river region Theudas accounts.

 

[shimon]

The million dollar question is, why was Lazarus banned from the Holy city, was it his sexuality or was it his financing of the cult thus financing the revolt which put the community in jeopardy ?
Sources for Lazarus:
in the missing portions of Mark it shows Jesus sleeping with a naked young rich man, but also the NT validates this:
"...there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold of him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked." (Mark 14:51-52). Was this the companion that Luke observed with Jesus inside the garden?

"...he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked on that day..."(Amos 2:16----the Hebrew 'labab' translated 'flee away' here, actually means 'transported with love', and also 'ravished'). Now that certainly fits this episode of the young man fleeing away naked from Jesus outside the garden of Gethsemane.

Who was this young man if not perhaps the rich man whom "Then Jesus beholding him, loved him..."(Mark 10:21). Perhaps it was the rich man Lazarus, of whom "...he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth..."(John 11:11----The Greek 'philos' translated 'friend', also means 'dear' and 'fond of').

A newly translated Gnostic gospel, entitled The Secret Book of Judas ofKerioth, According to this seeminglyauthentic early Cainite-Ophite text, translated from the Coptic by Mohammed al-Murtada and Francis Bendik, said Jesus had an active bisexual love life,including relationswith John, Lazarus and Mary Magdelene.

Why I think this Jesus account is Theudas by the Jordan and not the Galilean tax revolter Yehuda is because Yehuda the Galilean christ figure had 2 sons who also died by the hands of Rome over their revolt and John the Baptist fits more with the Jordan river region Theudas accounts.

Interesting….There were Roman bathhouses found in certain areas of ancient Judea one such bathhouse was found in Capernaum which is a city that Jesus was claimed to frequent… These bath houses were notorious for meeting between men usually the rich man was the dominant one in Roman culture as it was considered more masculine… Regardless you have made some very interesting points which might offend some but are worth looking into ifonehas an open mind…

 

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The more that is written in opposition to Christ, the more the divinity of Christ is affirmed.

 

[hobelim]

Usually the simplest explanation makes the most sense… I have known fathers and mothers who have shunned their own children for this a prime example is in fiddler on the roof where the daughter falls in love with someone outside the faith and the father will no longer have anything to do with her as far as he is concerned she is dead to him…

With that in mind do you realize that the subject of the resurrection of the dead at the end of the time of the age of darkness (not the end of time) is not about rotted corpses crawling out of their graves except allegorically?

RUMINATE! If the promised reward for complying with the Laws demands is life and the promised reward for not doing so is death then the subject of the resurrection of the dead is not about the resumption of a former existence but entry into a new existence. A new existence filled with abundant blessings and eternal life on earth replacing a former existence as an unclean creature who died and descended into Gehenna imagining they have been blessed by God with an abundance of trash to eat, discarded by higher intelligences, flailing about in the flames of hell as reality contradicts their delusional beliefs day and night like a raging fire that will never go out.

Remember?

The lesser light (the literal letter of the Law) rules the night, and the deeper implications of the exact same words used in the Law that reflects wisdom worthy of a loving and benevolent God is the greater light that rules the day.

This is my flesh. The fruit of my mind. It is pleasing to the eye and good to eat. Reach out your hand, take, eat, and you will get out of your grave, leave Hashev in the dust and YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT IT IS TO DIE.
Forget Jesus, dingbat, temples, and what's for dinner. What's the only right course for YOU to take?

Remember! "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."


ITS THE LAW

 

[shimon]

With that in mind do you realize that the subject of the resurrection of the dead at the end of the time of the age of darkness (not the end of time) is not about rotted corpses crawling out of their graves except allegorically?

RUMINATE! If the promised reward for complying with the Laws demands is life and the promised reward for not doing so is death then the subject of the resurrection of the dead is not about the resumption of a former existence but entry into a new existence. A new existence filled with abundant blessings and eternal life on earth replacing a former existence as an unclean creature who died and descended into Gehenna imagining they have been blessed by God with an abundance of trash to eat, discarded by higher intelligences, flailing about in the flames of hell as reality contradicts their delusional beliefs day and night like a raging fire that will never go out.

Remember?

The lesser light (the literal letter of the Law) rules the night, and the deeper implications of the exact same words used in the Law that reflects wisdom worthy of a loving and benevolent God is the greater light that rules the day.

This is my flesh. The fruit of my mind. It is pleasing to the eye and good to eat. Reach out your hand, take, eat, and you will get out of your grave, leave Hashev in the dust and YOU WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT IT IS TO DIE.
Forget Jesus, dingbat, temples, and what's for dinner. What's the only right course for YOU to take?

Remember! "No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord."


ITS THE LAW

No one can say you don’t have a way with your words Hobe…. lol…However we can agree to disagree on certain things especially when it pertains to Hashev( Or Michael as I refer to him)…I will share something with you since you have shared some of your personal information with me in the past… I am a Levite from the tribe of Levi on my fathers side my grandfather was an extremely humble man… He found great honor in helping or doing the biding of someone who was a kohenime… He knew that it was a Levite duty to help out in any way within reason the Kohen… For those who do not know a Kohen is descended in a direct line from Aaron the brother of Moses… There are some exceptions to this but on the whole this is the case….In some ways I am no different then my grandfather Hashev is a kohen and I am duty bound to help him as best I can to the best of my abilities but it goes deeper then that … Much deeper and there are other factors involved besides that… Many I cannot go into here nor would I want to as they are very personal for both of us…. Michael has played a very large role in my life for the past 26 years.. I consider him a very dear friend… I would not be here conversing with you or anyone here if I never met him so you should be happy or not happy in that respect that is up to you… We have met each other face to face… I found him a kind ,considerate ,happy ,intelligent and well rounded man and we had much in common even though we come from very different backgrounds and have very different lives now why would I give up that friendship and the things we have shared… Those thoughts have never entered my mind and never will…. As for the other topic you brought up we shall see who is correct in the end… The technology is advancing rapidly in many ways splicing the genes of the immortal jellyfish into humans is a possibility….. If I remember correctly oneof the universities in Carolina found the gene that causes aging some 20 odd years ago I am sure they will find a way to reverse it if they haven’t already… There are many options … Reserection of the dead can also be figured out again if they haven’t done so and yes I see your points regarding allegories in these concepts however I agree to disagree asI said before… It is always a pleasure conversing with you as my grandmother used to say I would rather loose with a smart one then argue with a fool and you definitely are no fool even though we may disagree from time to time in our conclusions…

 

[hobelim]

Hashev is a kohen and I am duty bound to help him as best I can to the best of my abilities but it goes deeper then that … Much deeper and there are other factors involved besides that… Many I cannot go into here nor would I want to as they are very personal for both of us…. Michael has played a very large role in my life for the past 26 years.. I consider him a very dear friend… I would not be here conversing with you or anyone here if I never met him so you should be happy or not happy in that respect that is up to you… We have met each other face to face… I found him a kind ,considerate ,happy ,intelligent and well rounded man and we had much in common even though we come from very different backgrounds and have very different lives now why would I give up that friendship and the things we have shared… Those thoughts have never entered my mind and never will

If you are duty bound to help him, as I hoped you were, you would try to alert him to the fact that he will never be a glorified butcher of a fancy slaughterhouse whose holy duty is killing farm animals in the name of the Lord. derp

NEVER.

There is not need to stop being friends or cherishing the times spent together in Gehenna, unless of course, he can't handle the truth. (some of the best times of my life were spent with friends and family together in Gehenna)

 

[hobelim]

As for the other topic you brought up we shall see who is correct in the end

THIS IS THE END.

No blind faith required. No "we'll see". No need to wait! The dead are coming out of their graves RIGHT NOW.

Throngs and throngs of the resurrected dead who have ascended into heaven are standing all around watching.

May I offer you a fig leaf? Damn. Maybe I can show you how to stitch animals skins together to hide your shame?



Remember this Shimon.

TO BE AWARE IS TO BE ALIVE.

Smarten up!