Zone1 Allegory man, this thread is for you!!

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First you say thats not what he said and then post proof that thats exactly what he said.

Good job!

What part of “Moses’ prediction, did not involve turning away from his teachings to instead follow the law; rather, it described their turning away from the law and towards idolatry” did you not understand.

Because you said:

that after his death the people would turn aside from THE WAY he taught to follow the law.

 

[hobelim]

Why? I’m beating your ass

sure you are.

 

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sure you are.

100%

 

[Donald H]

You must be confusing me for someone else.

Your life has changed but I'm not responsible for your bad feelings. I've only helped you to think. You'll wake up some morning soon and find that you have been made free by not turning away from the truth.

 

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Your life has changed but I'm not responsible for your bad feelings. I've only helped you to think. You'll wake up some morning soon and find that you have been made free by not turning away from the truth.

I’m still the same guy. No hard feelings here.

Let me flip that around and say right back at you.

 

[hobelim]

it described their turning away from the law and towards idolatry

Moses said that people would turn aside from THE WAY he taught to follow the Law. THE WAY that Moses said was easy to understand, not complicated or impossible to fulfill, and not beyond the reach, the comprehension, of the least intelligent person on earth, yet for some mysterious reason, lol, it remains above your grasp.



The earliest believers in Jesus called themselves followers of THE WAY. This is not a small point. Thats a fact.

If that isn't clear enough for you I don't care. Others will see, understand, and act on that information while you waste the rest of your time on earth looking at people rise from the dead, without seeing anything, as you rot in the comfort of your own grave. But don't take it too hard. My God isn't a sadistic meanie. The rest of your time burning alive in hell won't be any worse than your entire life living under your strange delusion has always been.


You are an idolator, you perjure yourself in the name of God as if it was a religious duty, and desecrate the teachings of Jesus as you celebrate human sacrifice and the death of your mangod that you actually believe died so that numbskulls like you won't have to pay the penalty for your own sins and can even sin with impunity for life. And you have the audacity to demonstrate your "love" for God by defying the first command and your deep and abiding love for Jesus by celebrating his death and eating him in the form of a matzo made by human hands.

I'm sure that both Jesus and God are very impressed by your love for them.

I am.

You have your reward already!

So enjoy! Just don't let reality get in your way.

 

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Moses said that people would turn aside from THE WAY he taught to follow the Law.

Quote it. Because In the final chapters of Deuteronomy, Moses warned the people of Israel that after his death they would become corrupt and turn away from "the way" he had commanded them. This prediction, did not involve turning away from his teachings to instead follow the law; rather, it described their turning away from the law and towards idolatry. Jesus was sent to turn them back. Even you admitted that Jesus was sent to convey the law.

Deuteronomy 27-30: Moses presents the covenant, outlining the blessings for obedience and the curses for disobedience, which directly involves turning away from God's laws.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20: In a powerful challenge, Moses declares, "I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life..." This explicitly frames the choice between obeying God's directives and facing negative consequences.

Deuteronomy 29:22-28: Moses details the future failure of the people to keep the covenant, predicting their disobedience and subsequent abandonment of the law.

Deuteronomy 30:1-5: Following the prediction of failure, Moses then describes a future time of restoration when God will circumcise their hearts, enabling them to truly love and obey Him.

 

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You are an idolator

According to you, the one Moses was talking about was Jesus.

 

[Donald H]

I’m still the same guy. No hard feelings here.

Let me flip that around and say right back at you.

You've become a leader and those still searching for direction are looking to you to provide it.

That's what this thread is about.

 

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You've become a leader and those still searching for direction are looking to you to provide it.

That's what this thread is about.

No. I’m not the droid you are looking for.

 

[hobelim]

Deuteronomy 29:22-28: Moses details the future failure of the people to keep the covenant, predicting their disobedience and subsequent abandonment of the law.

The thing is professor, after the death of Moses, during that entire time he said the people would turn aside from THE WAY he taught to follow the Law the people were faithfully dedicated to following the literal letter of the Law, building a temple, killing farm animals, obsessing over what's for dinner, etc., and continued to do so for over a thousand years before Jesus came who died trying to teach people that the same God who spoke through all of the prophets using figurative language used figurative language when giving the Law through Moses, a prophet.

Fuckin DUH.

 

[hobelim]

Deuteronomy 30:1-5: Following the prediction of failure, Moses then describes a future time of restoration when God will circumcise their hearts, enabling them to truly love and obey Him.

In ancient times people thought that consciousness was seated in the organ of the heart. It is now well known that consciousness is seated in the organ of the brain so when it says "circumcise their hearts" the original meaning and intent of the author was to show that circumcision is about removing "the flesh" of the foreskin of the mind, the yetzer hara, the evil inclination, base thinking and behavior consequent to having a mortal body.

Thanks for proving another example that Divine Law should not be taken literally and that the meaning of the words and subjects obviously are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

The law commanding circumcision, as a sign, has nothing whatever to do with mutilating infant weenies.

You uncircumcised dickhead.

Now you know.

 

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The thing is professor, after the death of Moses, during that entire time he said the people would turn aside from THE WAY he taught to follow the Law the people were faithfully dedicated to following the literal letter of the Law, building a temple, killing farm animals, obsessing over what's for dinner, etc., and continued to do so for over a thousand years before Jesus came who died trying to teach people that the same God who spoke through all of the prophets using figurative language used figurative language when giving the Law through Moses, a prophet.

Fuckin DUH.

There’s nothing figurative in the Jewish commandments.

 

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In ancient times people thought that consciousness was seated in the organ of the heart. It is now well known that consciousness is seated in the organ of the brain so when it says "circumcise their hearts" the original meaning and intent of the author was to show that circumcision is about removing "the flesh" of the foreskin of the mind, the yetzer hara, the evil inclination, base thinking and behavior consequent to having a mortal body.

Thanks for proving another example that Divine Law should not be taken literally and that the meaning of the words and subjects obviously are not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used.

The law commanding circumcision, as a sign, has nothing whatever to do with mutilating infant weenies.

You uncircumcised dickhead.

Now you know.

There’s nothing figurative in the Jewish Commandments. Jesus stated in Matthew 5:17 that he did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill them. And he certainly didn’t change any of them.

 

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I think I see hobelim ‘s motivation now.

Homosexual acts are prohibited by one of the 613 Jewish commandments derived from the Torah, specifically Leviticus 18:22, which prohibits male homosexual acts, calling them an "abomination". This prohibition is a religious law in Orthodox Judaism and is seen as a violation of the divine design for human sexuality.

Is this one of the laws you think Jesus changed?

 

[BreezeWood]

Homosexual acts are prohibited by one of the 613 Jewish commandments ... Is this one of the laws - - - Jesus changed?

your subject matter is irrelevant for the 1st century repudiation of judaism - there are no commandments from the heavens that is the gift made by a&e for all living beings by demanding self determination and judgement as the means for admission to the everlasting - not the desert dwellers religions of servitude and denial.

 

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your subject matter is irrelevant for the 1st century repudiation of judaism - there are no commandments from the heavens that is the gift made by a&e for all living beings by demanding self determination and judgement as the means for admission to the everlasting - not the desert dwellers religions of servitude and denial.

I got that the other 89 times you posted that. It didn’t make sense those times either.

 

[hobelim]

There’s nothing figurative in the Jewish Commandments. Jesus stated in Matthew 5:17 that he did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill them. And he certainly didn’t change any of them.

From AI;

Example of figurative language in Mosaic law

While Mosaic Law is written in a legal genre that emphasizes clarity, it still contains figurative language, particularly through rich symbolism and anthropomorphic descriptions of God. These figures of speech help convey theological concepts and make abstract laws more understandable to the ancient Israelites.

Symbolic rituals and objects

The sacrificial system and rituals prescribed in the Mosaic Law are filled with symbolic meaning that goes beyond the literal actions.

• The shedding of blood: In the sacrificial system, blood was a central symbol. As Leviticus 17:11 states, "the life of the flesh is in the blood." The shedding of an animal's blood symbolized the giving of life to make atonement for the sinner. The animal died in the place of the one who had transgressed, illustrating the gravity of sin.
• The scapegoat: On the Day of Atonement, the high priest would symbolically place the sins of the people onto a goat. This "scapegoat" was then released into the wilderness, representing the removal of Israel's sins from the community.
• Leaven as sin: In some offerings, leaven (yeast) was forbidden, particularly during the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread. Leaven, which spreads and corrupts the dough, served as a powerful symbol for sin and its infectious nature. Therefore, casting out leaven represented the need for purification and the removal of sin.
• The Tabernacle: The structure and design of the Tabernacle and its furnishings were symbolic of a heavenly reality. For instance, the veil that separated the Holy of Holies represented a barrier between God and humanity.

Anthropomorphism

Anthropomorphism is the attribution of human characteristics or qualities to God. Since God is spirit and has no physical body, these descriptions are figurative, used to help human beings relate to and understand divine actions and feelings.

• "The finger of God": The law tablets were famously "written with the finger of God" (Exodus 31:18). This is a figurative expression, since God has no literal finger. It is used to convey that the law was divinely authored.
• God "speaking": The law was conveyed through God speaking to Moses (Exodus 19:9, Numbers 12:8). This is a metaphorical way of describing divine communication to accommodate human understanding, as God does not have a physical mouth or lungs.
• God's "eyes" and "ears": Deuteronomy 11:12 refers to "the eyes of the LORD your God" being on the land. This is a metaphor for God's constant, attentive providence and awareness, not a literal set of physical eyes.

Metaphorical legal principles

Even some seemingly straightforward laws contain metaphorical language to explain deeper moral principles.

• "An eye for an eye" (lex talionis): This legal phrase (Exodus 21:24) is a metaphor for the principle of proportionality in punishment. It does not literally mean that a person must be physically blinded for blinding another. Instead, it was a rule for judges that compensation should not exceed the value of the injury. It served to limit retaliation and ensure fair justice.

 

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From AI;

Example of figurative language in Mosaic law

While Mosaic Law is written in a legal genre that emphasizes clarity, it still contains figurative language, particularly through rich symbolism and anthropomorphic descriptions of God. These figures of speech help convey theological concepts and make abstract laws more understandable to the ancient Israelites.

Symbolic rituals and objects

The sacrificial system and rituals prescribed in the Mosaic Law are filled with symbolic meaning that goes beyond the literal actions.

• The shedding of blood: In the sacrificial system, blood was a central symbol. As Leviticus 17:11 states, "the life of the flesh is in the blood." The shedding of an animal's blood symbolized the giving of life to make atonement for the sinner. The animal died in the place of the one who had transgressed, illustrating the gravity of sin.
• The scapegoat: On the Day of Atonement, the high priest would symbolically place the sins of the people onto a goat. This "scapegoat" was then released into the wilderness, representing the removal of Israel's sins from the community.
• Leaven as sin: In some offerings, leaven (yeast) was forbidden, particularly during the Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread. Leaven, which spreads and corrupts the dough, served as a powerful symbol for sin and its infectious nature. Therefore, casting out leaven represented the need for purification and the removal of sin.
• The Tabernacle: The structure and design of the Tabernacle and its furnishings were symbolic of a heavenly reality. For instance, the veil that separated the Holy of Holies represented a barrier between God and humanity.

Anthropomorphism

Anthropomorphism is the attribution of human characteristics or qualities to God. Since God is spirit and has no physical body, these descriptions are figurative, used to help human beings relate to and understand divine actions and feelings.

• "The finger of God": The law tablets were famously "written with the finger of God" (Exodus 31:18). This is a figurative expression, since God has no literal finger. It is used to convey that the law was divinely authored.
• God "speaking": The law was conveyed through God speaking to Moses (Exodus 19:9, Numbers 12:8). This is a metaphorical way of describing divine communication to accommodate human understanding, as God does not have a physical mouth or lungs.
• God's "eyes" and "ears": Deuteronomy 11:12 refers to "the eyes of the LORD your God" being on the land. This is a metaphor for God's constant, attentive providence and awareness, not a literal set of physical eyes.

Metaphorical legal principles

Even some seemingly straightforward laws contain metaphorical language to explain deeper moral principles.

• "An eye for an eye" (lex talionis): This legal phrase (Exodus 21:24) is a metaphor for the principle of proportionality in punishment. It does not literally mean that a person must be physically blinded for blinding another. Instead, it was a rule for judges that compensation should not exceed the value of the injury. It served to limit retaliation and ensure fair justice.

We are talking about commandments. Of the 613 commandments which ones are figurative?

The 613 commandments, or mitzvot, are divided into positive commands (that you should do) and negative commands (that you should not do). Nothing figurative about commands to do something or not do something.

 

[hobelim]

We are talking about commandments. Of the 613 commandments how many are figurative?

You have been given the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Read them all and figure it out yourself.

Start with the first. If you get that right the next will be easy. No one can help anyone who won't help themselves.

Not God, not Jesus, not me, and certainly not all of the eucharists in the world.