200,000 dead Americans are "virtually nobody" according to Trump

No one believes that number. It is a joke designed to prey upon only the most credulous and naive in society.
President Donald Trump claimed Monday at an Ohio campaign rally that the coronavirus poses little threat to young people and “affects virtually nobody,” as the number of Americans to have died from Covid-19 climbed toward 200,000 in the United States.


“It affects elderly people. Elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that’s what it really affects,” Trump told supporters at an airport outside Toledo.


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What kind of sleaze says the death of 200,000 Americans is "nobody". You really dio have to be a heartless baastard. Of course sthis is the same person that called our fallen tropps losers and suckers and his own supporters disgusting.

This is who Trump is. A pathetic sad disgusting little loser.

Figures you twist his words. The meaning is that usually people infected don't die, and don't suffer severe symptoms. He isn't calling the dead "nobodies" and you know it.
I don't need your warped opinion to tell me what Trump meant. His words are as clear as day.
200k is tragic but a pittance statistically.
It’s the third leading cause of death. A pittance it’s not.
Compared to a population of 330mil? Pittance.

How does it compare to those who have died in riots this summer?

Because the right wants us to believe that's a far greater threat.
Riots kill businesses as well as people. You’re comparing apples and oranges. And we discussed and disagreed on how many of the deaths are truly from COVID.

Dying from COVID is tragic but not against the law. Rioting, burning buildings and killing people is against the law.
Ah, so it's not about people, it's about money. Gotcha.

Lots more businesses were lost because of COVID than riots anyway.

This isn't apples and oranges. This is explaining clearly how the right uses fear as a means to drive their agenda.

The riot damages were far more preventable.

Once the initial ones were over aggressive policing and prosecutions would have ended them.

Pound for pound, dollar for dollar, COVID was far more preventable. Even a one percent decrease in COVID would have been greater than all the riots combined.

You don't know that. On the other hand we know aggressive policing would have stopped the riots cold.

With regards to damages, COVID, unless the owner died of the disease, leaves the capital and labor of the business intact, even if inactive. Riots lead to physical destruction of capital, and once a business is destroyed instead of just closed, I guarantee the labor will also be lost to other opportunities.

Sure we do. The economic damage from COVID is in the trillions upon trillions. Deaths are in the hundreds of thousands.

Economic damage from riots is in the tens of billions. Deaths are in the hundreds.

This is pretty simple arithmetic. No need to try to bend convoluted rationales into justifying something else.

Again, COVID doesn't destroy the actual physical plant of the businesses. Nor does it destroy a business owners faith in government to protect them from a preventable occurrence.

And it's not COVID destroying economic value, it's the response, a response you evidently want to be much much more stringent, and thus more economically damaging.

The damage from the rioting is due to a LACK of aggressive response.
Irrelevant. If a physical business is destroyed, it can be rebuilt. No difference. It just costs money. Money is money. COVID prevents economic activity, therefore it costs money. The response to COVID was made necessary by the widespread pandemic. We could have avoided it but it would have meant hundreds of thousands more deaths, so either way we were screwed.

Wow, talk about pathetic attempts to justify democratic cities allowing actual physical destruction of property.

It's money and time. Time where you can't make money because the physical plant of your business has been destroyed. COVID restrictions are a construct, once removed the business just has to resupply consumables and get their workers back. The plant is still there.

Money is never just money, it is an extension of worth, value, and ability to interact with society to both provide services/goods and receive services/goods.

I would LOVE for you to tell a person who's property was gutted by riots that "It's only money" you uncaring SJW cum sucker.

You're disgusting and irrational.

I would love for you to tell the family of a person who died from COVID that they were probably going to die anyway so no one really cares. What's really far more important is that a tire shop got burned down and that is so much worse than the loss of life.

The disease is a virus, it doesn't have the ability to know right from wrong, it just replicates. How we respond to it can be up for debate, but once this thing got out of China, it wasn't going to be contained, just slowed. How to slow it is the matter for debate.

Gutting someone's property is a conscious decision by human beings to destroy something. That's what makes it worse, and makes you a worthless sack of human scum for defending it.

And by excusing it, you are defending it you wanna be posuer revolutionary twat, so don't try to deny it.
I never excused or defended violence or destruction of property, dumb ass.

Are you going to defend Trump downplaying coronavirus which ultimately resulted in far more death and destruction than any riots?
Dumbass is one word, Doctor. You should know this and again if you were a better doctor and told your patients to eat better and exercise there would be fewer deaths.
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
 
No one believes that number. It is a joke designed to prey upon only the most credulous and naive in society.
President Donald Trump claimed Monday at an Ohio campaign rally that the coronavirus poses little threat to young people and “affects virtually nobody,” as the number of Americans to have died from Covid-19 climbed toward 200,000 in the United States.


“It affects elderly people. Elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that’s what it really affects,” Trump told supporters at an airport outside Toledo.


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What kind of sleaze says the death of 200,000 Americans is "nobody". You really dio have to be a heartless baastard. Of course sthis is the same person that called our fallen tropps losers and suckers and his own supporters disgusting.

This is who Trump is. A pathetic sad disgusting little loser.

Figures you twist his words. The meaning is that usually people infected don't die, and don't suffer severe symptoms. He isn't calling the dead "nobodies" and you know it.
I don't need your warped opinion to tell me what Trump meant. His words are as clear as day.
200k is tragic but a pittance statistically.
It’s the third leading cause of death. A pittance it’s not.
Baloney...its 56th on the global list of daily deaths and way overcounted anyway
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.

That's even bullshyte according to Fauci. It makes perfect sense. So tell me Doc, you think Family would desert the older folks? No, they wouldn't and yes you can target the most susceptible of the population. As a Doc I wouldn't let you cut my toe nails.
 
No one believes that number. It is a joke designed to prey upon only the most credulous and naive in society.
President Donald Trump claimed Monday at an Ohio campaign rally that the coronavirus poses little threat to young people and “affects virtually nobody,” as the number of Americans to have died from Covid-19 climbed toward 200,000 in the United States.


“It affects elderly people. Elderly people with heart problems and other problems. If they have other problems, that’s what it really affects,” Trump told supporters at an airport outside Toledo.


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What kind of sleaze says the death of 200,000 Americans is "nobody". You really dio have to be a heartless baastard. Of course sthis is the same person that called our fallen tropps losers and suckers and his own supporters disgusting.

This is who Trump is. A pathetic sad disgusting little loser.

Figures you twist his words. The meaning is that usually people infected don't die, and don't suffer severe symptoms. He isn't calling the dead "nobodies" and you know it.
I don't need your warped opinion to tell me what Trump meant. His words are as clear as day.
200k is tragic but a pittance statistically.
It’s the third leading cause of death. A pittance it’s not.
Baloney...its 56th on the global list of daily deaths and way overcounted anyway

Oddly, I just heard on TV the other day that SIXTEEN THOUSAND children die worldwide EVERYDAY, from hunger and lack of medicine. But we're supposed to drop a spleen now because 200,000 have died over a nine month period in what is called a PANDEMIC?
 
That's even bullshyte according to Fauci. It makes perfect sense. So tell me Doc, you think Family would desert the older folks? No, they wouldn't and yes you can target the most susceptible of the population. As a Doc I wouldn't let you cut my toe nails.
Feel free to supply Fauci stating what you're claiming, otherwise I'll just assume you're talking out your ass like everyone else.

For starters, do you have any idea how many people don't have family, have family that aren't worth shit or have family who are similarly ill? Lots. You know how I know? Because I take care of them constantly and it sucks.

But let's assume they do have family? Guess what. Since we aren't shutting down the economy, then the virus becomes far more prevalent. This means that those family members will have a much higher likelihood of becoming infected and spreading it to the family members they're taking care.

That's just my opinion. It's not fact. It's based on my experience.

We could have tried it your way, but Trump is a terrible leader. He would have had to get the country on board, but since he's not a leader, he failed. He led from behind, avoided making decisions, tried to ignore it. And for that he deserves justifiable criticism.
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.

So what is your perfect solution to the problem?
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.

So the lockdown didn't work but you know of nothing else to try so we MUST keep on doing it. You have no idea how silly you sound.
BTW you have ground to stand on in feeling sorry for anyone but yourself
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.
What the odds of your scenario vs. the odds of my scenario? Historically this is how we dealt with infectious diseases. Hence the term "herd immunity".
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.
What the odds of your scenario vs. the odds of my scenario? Historically this is how we dealt with infectious diseases. Hence the term "herd immunity".

He's not a Dr. He's a poser
 
Dumbass is one word, Doctor. You should know this and again if you were a better doctor and told your patients to eat better and exercise there would be fewer deaths.
I'm starting to feel sorry for you now. This is honestly the best you can do?
Why? I am telling you the truth. My doctor is on me constantly about my health, weight, etc. due to my genetic history of high cholesterol. He is proactive. He went to Harvard Medical. He is pretty good. Where did you go to school?
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.
What the odds of your scenario vs. the odds of my scenario? Historically this is how we dealt with infectious diseases. Hence the term "herd immunity".

He's not a Dr. He's a poser
I 100% agree. He doesn't know very much about health or infectious diseases.
 
That's even bullshyte according to Fauci. It makes perfect sense. So tell me Doc, you think Family would desert the older folks? No, they wouldn't and yes you can target the most susceptible of the population. As a Doc I wouldn't let you cut my toe nails.
Feel free to supply Fauci stating what you're claiming, otherwise I'll just assume you're talking out your ass like everyone else.

For starters, do you have any idea how many people don't have family, have family that aren't worth shit or have family who are similarly ill? Lots. You know how I know? Because I take care of them constantly and it sucks.

But let's assume they do have family? Guess what. Since we aren't shutting down the economy, then the virus becomes far more prevalent. This means that those family members will have a much higher likelihood of becoming infected and spreading it to the family members they're taking care.

That's just my opinion. It's not fact. It's based on my experience.

We could have tried it your way, but Trump is a terrible leader. He would have had to get the country on board, but since he's not a leader, he failed. He led from behind, avoided making decisions, tried to ignore it. And for that he deserves justifiable criticism.
Then why are NJ, MA and NY such outliers? Please explain. In terms of deaths that is.
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.
What the odds of your scenario vs. the odds of my scenario? Historically this is how we dealt with infectious diseases. Hence the term "herd immunity".
Historically we used to bleed people to rid them of evil humors.

Herd immunity is a term often misused. You can’t have herd immunity in your hypothetical situation since half the group won’t have had the infection.
 
Dumbass is one word, Doctor. You should know this and again if you were a better doctor and told your patients to eat better and exercise there would be fewer deaths.
I'm starting to feel sorry for you now. This is honestly the best you can do?
Why? I am telling you the truth. My doctor is on me constantly about my health, weight, etc. due to my genetic history of high cholesterol. He is proactive. He went to Harvard Medical. He is pretty good. Where did you go to school?
State school.
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.
What the odds of your scenario vs. the odds of my scenario? Historically this is how we dealt with infectious diseases. Hence the term "herd immunity".

He's not a Dr. He's a poser
I 100% agree. He doesn't know very much about health or infectious diseases.
Ha! I knew it wouldn’t matter. Why do you ask questions when you have no interest in the answer?

Troll.
 
Do you understand how you sound? Are you truly willing to destroy the National/World Economy based on a bug that frankly isn't nearly as "deadly" as Progs want to make it sound? If you are then God help you because you can't see past the end of your nose. Go ahead, crash it and then see what happens to people.
No one is willing to destroy the world economy. This is idiotic alarmist hyperbole.

The sad fact is that the shutdown would have been shorter and more effective if more people had been engaged and on board with it, rather than having Trump telling his followers that it was no big deal.

That's why Trump downplaying the virus was such a big deal. Because it made our response to it that much less effective.


Blah, blah, blah. Stuff your Prog crap. The shutdown will destroy the world economy. We've already lost THOUSNDS of businesses, do you want to lose more? It ISN"T a big deal unless you are over 60 with underlying chronic conditions. Secure THEM not the entire nation. You can't really be that obtuse. Of course you can

Wah! Stop saying things I don't want to hear Prog!

Give me a break.

If the Trump supporting idiots would have taken this seriously, we'd be through this by now.

You're an idiot. All "serious" had to mean was lock down the older vulnerable folks. Instead people like you screamed to shut don the economy and then blame Rump when it went south.

I know you think that makes sense but it doesn’t. You can’t lock down older, vulnerable folks because for lots of reason. First, that’s a massive part of the population. Second, they’re highly dependent on others for day to day life. Third, that would extend the need for the shutdown for years.

What should we blame Trump for? His utter lack of leadership. He’s an empty suit, too scared to actually do the job he ran for.
Hold on Doctor.

Say we have a room of 300 people and 150 are elderly or have serious underlying conditions. We lock those 150 down. The other 150 get the virus, overcome it and develop antibodies. We then free up the sick and elderly 150. Everyone wins?

Yes?

The answer to your hypothetical is in the post you responded to.

But let's go even further. For starters, you have to get 100% penetrance through the "healthy" side. There's no telling how long that'll take. Second, you have to guarantee their antibodies are both durable and confer immunity, which we can't. Second, you have to believe that COVID will not mutate to neutralize the efficacy of the antibody response, the chances of which go up the more infections occur.

The higher the prevalence of the infection in the general population, the more difficult it is to "lock down" anyone.
What the odds of your scenario vs. the odds of my scenario? Historically this is how we dealt with infectious diseases. Hence the term "herd immunity".
Historically we used to bleed people to rid them of evil humors.

Herd immunity is a term often misused. You can’t have herd immunity in your hypothetical situation since half the group won’t have had the infection.
Who would they catch it from if the other half have had it and can no longer spread it? You don't need 100% immunity for herd immunity, Doctor.
 

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