Will Impeachment cost Democrats the House?

[rightwinger]

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

He was not even POTUS when the email investigation happened. You need to think logically. Is that possible?

He WAS President when he made that asinine phone call

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend

Demanded? How did he demand it exactly?

We need a favor though

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

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[Sun Devil 92]

"Will Impeachment cost Democrats the House?"



No. House Repubs are retiring because they expect to be in the Minority in 2021-2022.

Proof ?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

He was not even POTUS when the email investigation happened. You need to think logically. Is that possible?

He WAS President when he made that asinine phone call

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend

Demanded? How did he demand it exactly?

We need a favor though

That equates to “demand”?

 

[Alexandre Fedorovski]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

The problem of the Republicans (and, perhaps, of the Democrats) is that they ARE NOT ABLE to work with MASSES of people. All that happens is the struggle "in the political elite." Instead of showing the American people the true essence of the so-called democrats, the Republican Party continues to be an elite party that does not allow new people into politics having expertise working in new political reality.

Elite Republicans look like smug turkeys, forgetting that the latter also fall into the pan ...

Who is able to work with masses of people in your opinion? Sasha.

ME, for instance. And a group of people who have (or will get) the necessary expertise in ideological (and psychological, alas) warfare. I was one of the seven leaders of the so-called "democratic" movement in Moscow in the Soviet Union.

The problem is that both parties have class fear. They, like a devil of incense, are afraid of the activity of the masses, who at some moment may realize what a . powerful social force they are... (look at Hong Kong)

The Americans have been intimidated so much that they are afraid to express any kind of social protest

 

[The Original Tree]

All the Data and people turning on The Democrat Party is showing Trump being handed a Super Majority in 2020!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

The problem of the Republicans (and, perhaps, of the Democrats) is that they ARE NOT ABLE to work with MASSES of people. All that happens is the struggle "in the political elite." Instead of showing the American people the true essence of the so-called democrats, the Republican Party continues to be an elite party that does not allow new people into politics having expertise working in new political reality.

Elite Republicans look like smug turkeys, forgetting that the latter also fall into the pan ...

Who is able to work with masses of people in your opinion? Sasha.

ME, for instance. And a group of people who have (or will get) the necessary expertise in ideological (and psychological, alas) warfare. I was one of the seven leaders of the so-called "democratic" movement in Moscow in the Soviet Union.

The problem is that both parties have class fear. They, like a devil of incense, are afraid of the activity of the masses, who at some moment may realize what a . powerful social force they are... (look at Hong Kong)

The Americans have veenintimidated so much that they are afraid to express any kind of social protest

Your best example, Sasha, is you? LOL

 

[Alexandre Fedorovski]

All the Data and people turning on The Democrat Party is showing Trump being handed a Super Majority in 2020!

Have you been to the forest ??? Do you know what a high wind is ??? This is when only the roofs of the trees swing. That’s the exactly what we have. The whole political struggle! Only in the political elites. The rest with popcorn and buckets of ice cream (VERY bad for common Americans, but VERY good for businessmen selling weight loss products) turned into one big political swamp...

 

[kyzr]

31 democrats won in 2018 in districts that Trump won by 10+ points in 2016.
So all Trump needs to do is win back 20 or more of those seats and the House swings back to the GOP.
In 2020 the Never-Trumpers, at least those with brains, will be back on the right side.
After Durham exposes the largest scandal in US history, the Obama admin spying on the Trump campaign, Trump will win an even larger Electoral Landslide.

These House seats are largely suburban seats. They are not going to be supporting Trump in 2020. Democrats made major inroads in suburban areas in Louisiana, Mississippi and Kentucky a month ago. Suburban voters have even less reason to support Trump than they did in 2016 or Republicans in 2018. Democrats hold the edge in healthcare, education, immigration and border issues, the environment, abortion, guns and global warming to name a few.

You can keep telling yourself that, but women voters are logical, they see the economy, peace and prosperity. So good luck if you think you can keep the 2018 voters. I'm confident that we can do better in 2020 than in 2016. So Trump should win again.

 

[rightwinger]

He WAS President when he made that asinine phone call

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend

Demanded? How did he demand it exactly?

We need a favor though

That equates to “demand”?

Yes it does

Unless you perform an investigation, you will not get Javelins

What part of “though” leaves any other option?

 

[kyzr]

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend

Demanded? How did he demand it exactly?

We need a favor though

That equates to “demand”?

Yes it does

Unless you perform an investigation, you will not get Javelins

What part of “though” leaves any other option?

That's a fib that Z had to "do" an investigation. Trump wanted "Z" to "announce" an investigation.
Trump also asked Z to work with AG Barr.

Please tell me you can see the tiny issue of Biden's crack-head son getting a $million a year job for doing nothing, and that might could seem like a teeny-tiny conflict of interest for Joe Biden? (at least thats what the BO admin briefed Yovonovitch about before she went for her interview)

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The impeachment will not effect the congress/senate race.
Due to carefully designed precinct maps and an almost totally party-devoted nation - Democrats will vote for Democrats and Republicans will vote for Republicans. The only votes that will be effected are independents. And there are not NEARLY enough of them to change the leveraged precinct drawings.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend

Demanded? How did he demand it exactly?

We need a favor though

That equates to “demand”?

Yes it does

Unless you perform an investigation, you will not get Javelins

What part of “though” leaves any other option?

He never said that. You’re interpreting his intent. You cannot impeach on an interpretation. Zelisnky has said multiple times that he didn’t feel pressure and even if he did announce an investigation, Trump has no way of knowing if he would do one or what the outcome would be. He also did it in an open phone call and asked Zelinsky to work with the AG. While it may be a bad idea how can that be an impeachable offense when it was done so out in the open and intent cannot be proven. Lastly, it’s not like Trump asked to make up charges, Burisma and the Bidens have some dirt there.

 

[Terri4Trump]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

 

[kyzr]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

 

[kyzr]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

 

[task0778]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

What do you think the chances are that the moderate Dems start their own party? The far left seems to own the current Dem party I think, and I don't know that they'll be going away anytime soon.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

What do you think the chances are that the moderate Dems start their own party? The far left seems to own the current Dem party I think, and I don't know that they'll be going away anytime soon.

Slim but these days anything is possible

 

[task0778]

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

What do you think the chances are that the moderate Dems start their own party? The far left seems to own the current Dem party I think, and I don't know that they'll be going away anytime soon.

Slim but these days anything is possible

Yeah, I'm scratching my head wondering what's going to happen to the Dem Party. Hard to believe hey can survive as a viable major party with that far left socialist agenda of theirs. No reasonable person is going to buy that shit.