Will Impeachment cost Democrats the House?

You're allowed your opinion but from the people who I have spoken with, several "never Trumpers" have stated they will vote for Trump because of what the Democrats have done here and these are people who I never thought would do so. If they are a sample of what others nationwide are thinking, then I believe you may be in for a shock as you were in November 2016.
Oh well, that clinches it. You talked to a couple people. That's way better than relying on those silly polls. :rolleyes:

Do Americans Support Impeaching Trump?
Yeah.... aaaahh... what did the POLLS say about Hitlery WINNING IN A LANDSLIDE again?

And you're buying these POLLS lock, stock 'n barrel again?

You have to be one incredibly gullible bubble head.

Still hanging your hat on that? You do realize that the polls were accurate, right? She actually won the popular vote by the predicted amount.

Bullshit. They predicted some Blue Wall...what happened to that wall?

Democrats won in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin in 2020. Republicans had to pull every dirty trick in the book to hold on to Georgia. The only real disappointment was in Florida.

Dirty Trick? Such as? Historically the country votes for checks and balances.
 
Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

It is not going to work. Voters agree with Democrats on most issues. Democrats won 2 out of 3 Governor's races in red states. They won by talking about healthcare and education. Nationally Democrats have a wealth of issues to run on. In addition to these issues, Democrats have the environment, immigration and abortion to run against Republicans on.

Abuse of power is appropriate in this case. Trump attempted to use taxpayer dollars to force Ukraine to open a investigation into a political rival. That is not a legitimate use of Presidential power. It was more than just a phone call. It was a campaign executed by Giuliani to pressure Ukraine into opening a phony investigation. All Trump wanted was a investigation. Trump clearly knows that Biden is his biggest problem as he runs best against Trump.
The WSJ article states otherwise. Phony investigation? So you believe the Burisma data is false? Your bias is odd.

The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.

An overwhelming 70% of Americans think President Donald Trump’s request to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival, which sits at the heart of the House of Representatives' impeachment inquiry, was wrong, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.

70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL

Trump clearly did not care. All he wanted was the investigation. Trump is not a deep thinker.

Wrong is not the same as impeachable. There is zero chance the Senate convicts. This is all political theater. Keep in mind that the American public has been fed the Democrat story. Republicans were not allowed to call their own witnesses.
 
Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

It is not going to work. Voters agree with Democrats on most issues. Democrats won 2 out of 3 Governor's races in red states. They won by talking about healthcare and education. Nationally Democrats have a wealth of issues to run on. In addition to these issues, Democrats have the environment, immigration and abortion to run against Republicans on.

Abuse of power is appropriate in this case. Trump attempted to use taxpayer dollars to force Ukraine to open a investigation into a political rival. That is not a legitimate use of Presidential power. It was more than just a phone call. It was a campaign executed by Giuliani to pressure Ukraine into opening a phony investigation. All Trump wanted was a investigation. Trump clearly knows that Biden is his biggest problem as he runs best against Trump.
The WSJ article states otherwise. Phony investigation? So you believe the Burisma data is false? Your bias is odd.

The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary
 
Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

It is not going to work. Voters agree with Democrats on most issues. Democrats won 2 out of 3 Governor's races in red states. They won by talking about healthcare and education. Nationally Democrats have a wealth of issues to run on. In addition to these issues, Democrats have the environment, immigration and abortion to run against Republicans on.

Abuse of power is appropriate in this case. Trump attempted to use taxpayer dollars to force Ukraine to open a investigation into a political rival. That is not a legitimate use of Presidential power. It was more than just a phone call. It was a campaign executed by Giuliani to pressure Ukraine into opening a phony investigation. All Trump wanted was a investigation. Trump clearly knows that Biden is his biggest problem as he runs best against Trump.
The WSJ article states otherwise. Phony investigation? So you believe the Burisma data is false? Your bias is odd.

The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.
 
It is not going to work. Voters agree with Democrats on most issues. Democrats won 2 out of 3 Governor's races in red states. They won by talking about healthcare and education. Nationally Democrats have a wealth of issues to run on. In addition to these issues, Democrats have the environment, immigration and abortion to run against Republicans on.

Abuse of power is appropriate in this case. Trump attempted to use taxpayer dollars to force Ukraine to open a investigation into a political rival. That is not a legitimate use of Presidential power. It was more than just a phone call. It was a campaign executed by Giuliani to pressure Ukraine into opening a phony investigation. All Trump wanted was a investigation. Trump clearly knows that Biden is his biggest problem as he runs best against Trump.
The WSJ article states otherwise. Phony investigation? So you believe the Burisma data is false? Your bias is odd.

The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate
 
The WSJ article states otherwise. Phony investigation? So you believe the Burisma data is false? Your bias is odd.

The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

He was not even POTUS when the email investigation happened. You need to think logically. Is that possible?
 
Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.
I'm always amazed at the number of old white zero college trumpanzees.
Anything is possible
Zeig Heil
 
The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

He was not even POTUS when the email investigation happened. You need to think logically. Is that possible?
He WAS President when he made that asinine phone call
 
The WSJ article states otherwise. Phony investigation? So you believe the Burisma data is false? Your bias is odd.

The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

Well, They did get $25mm from his crooked shut down "charity"
 
The WSJ article states otherwise. Phony investigation? So you believe the Burisma data is false? Your bias is odd.

The WSJ is a Trump supporter especially since it is a opinion piece. The impeachment case is clear and not weak as they assert. A majority of people agree Trump was wrong.


A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

I'm suspicious of anyone who brags about peeking in teens dressing rooms
 
Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.
I'm always amazed at the number of old white zero college trumpanzees.
Anything is possible
Zeig Heil

I am 39. How old are you? LOL
 
They're not really interested in impeachment. They're interested in distracting the serfs from what's actually going on behind the scenes. They just crammed 12 really serious bills into one spending bill which basically funds everything Trump wants to do, including tossing out the 4th Amendment. Those bills should, by rule, be sent to the President as separate bills. Then they'll come in a few hours before the 12/20 deadline and tell em they can't go home unless they vote on it. All will vote on it without ever reading it and Trump will sign it. And not a single peep about it from any media source.

What Trump just did with that EO is actually an impeachable offense. But we have crickets chirping about that.

Americans deserve everything they get. Balls deep, too. That's my new outlook on things. The sheer inattentiveness of the electorate is destroying everything the Founders built. Everything.

99% see either black or white.....and cannot think deep enough to see what's really going on.
The Trumpers are totally sure He'll save them....and the Never Trumpers are certain the Dem leadership will save them.

None ever realizing both are taking them all for a ride, just in different circles....but with the same destination....an Elite class....and everyone else.
 
A majority of people agree Trump was wrong

And you have proof of this?

Even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be pretty weak.
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

He was not even POTUS when the email investigation happened. You need to think logically. Is that possible?
He WAS President when he made that asinine phone call

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.
 
Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.


The problem of the Republicans (and, perhaps, of the Democrats) is that they ARE NOT ABLE to work with MASSES of people. All that happens is the struggle "in the political elite." Instead of showing the American people the true essence of the so-called democrats, the Republican Party continues to be an elite party that does not allow new people into politics having expertise working in new political reality.

Elite Republicans look like smug turkeys, forgetting that the latter also fall into the pan ...

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Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.


The problem of the Republicans (and, perhaps, of the Democrats) is that they ARE NOT ABLE to work with MASSES of people. All that happens is the struggle "in the political elite." Instead of showing the American people the true essence of the so-called democrats, the Republican Party continues to be an elite party that does not allow new people into politics having expertise working in new political reality.

Elite Republicans look like smug turkeys, forgetting that the latter also fall into the pan ...

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Who is able to work with masses of people in your opinion? Sasha.
 
The democrats are getting their ASSES HANDED TO THEM in this FARCICAL SHAM of an impeachment. They WILL lose the house, and there WILL be PAY BACK. What we are seeing is the LAST DYING GASPS by the party in power right before they LOSE their power.
Why you shouting?
"Shouting?" I didn't know you could hear fonts on a webpage.

Have you seen anyone about hearing words shout online?
Yes. Absolutely!!!
 
Trump knew he was chasing conspiracy theories
That is why he never cared if they ever completed the investigation.

What he wanted was a public announcement that there was an investigation and for that investigation to drag on indefinitely

Worked against Hillary

For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

He was not even POTUS when the email investigation happened. You need to think logically. Is that possible?
He WAS President when he made that asinine phone call

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend
 
For both HRC and Biden, there was something to investigate. He did not make up their malfeasance.

With Trump, there is blatant abuse of office to investigate

He was not even POTUS when the email investigation happened. You need to think logically. Is that possible?
He WAS President when he made that asinine phone call

Again, was that call in an open forum and was there basis behind his thinking? He didn't make up the Burisma mess. It was there for all to see. And you just moved the goal posts again.

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend
Demanded? How did he demand it exactly?
 

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