Will Impeachment cost Democrats the House?

[BluesLegend]

Dem's accused Bush of WAR CRIMES and never impeached him. Why are they impeaching Trump??? That's how far off the deep end Dem's have gone.

 

[kyzr]

Opinion | The Incredible Shrinking Impeachment

Americans will decide in 11 months whether Trump deserves to remain in office. But they should also keep the impeachment vote very much in mind when they decide whether Democrats deserve to keep the House.


Whatever happened to bribery and extortion? Democrats spent weeks talking them up as the crimes of Trump’s Ukraine interventions.

Democrats changed their narrative to “abuse of power,” a phrase general enough for anything Congress wants to stuff into it. They don’t even pretend any more to prove a quid pro quo. Instead they assert that Trump, in his phone call with Ukraine’s president, “solicited the interference of a foreign government” in the 2020 election “in pursuit of personal political benefit.” They also assert that this “compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process.”

Their problem is that Mr. Trump didn’t withhold military aid to Ukraine, and even if he had he would have merely been returning to Barack Obama’s policy of denying lethal aid. How would that have jeopardized national security? Every President also solicits actions from foreign leaders that he hopes will help him politically at home.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

What do you think the chances are that the moderate Dems start their own party? The far left seems to own the current Dem party I think, and I don't know that they'll be going away anytime soon.

On CNN reality is starting to set in on the democrats and they are realizing that their candidates all suck.
According to them, Bernie and Warren are unelectable.
Biden, Buttplug, and Bloomberg are electable.
What will the socialists do if Bernie and Warren are cheated, either by super-delegates, or some other way.
The minorities are also pissed. Castro and Kamala are gone.
Steyer, Bloomberg, Buttplug, and Biden are still in (Klobuchar is all but gone)
Hunter Biden is Joe's "bathroom server". Tough to explain that $million cash cow.
So who is the real democrat that excites their base.........crickets.

 

[B. Kidd]

This impeachment is going to put a head shot in the 2-Party system!
Just wait until there is a Republican House majority with a Democrat President.
It's called a do-for-do.

 

[BluesLegend]

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

What do you think the chances are that the moderate Dems start their own party? The far left seems to own the current Dem party I think, and I don't know that they'll be going away anytime soon.

On CNN reality is starting to set in on the democrats and they are realizing that their candidates all suck.
According to them, Bernie and Warren are unelectable.
Biden, Buttplug, and Bloomberg are electable.
What will the socialists do if Bernie and Warren are cheated, either by super-delegates, or some other way.
The minorities are also pissed. Castro and Kamala are gone.
Steyer, Bloomberg, Buttplug, and Biden are still in (Klobuchar is all but gone)
Hunter Biden is Joe's "bathroom server". Tough to explain that $million cash cow.
So who is the real democrat that excites their base.........crickets.

And their impeachment fiasco knocked their primary off the rails, nobody is paying any attention to their candidates.

 

[Lakhota]

Will Impeachment cost Democrats the House?

Irrelevant. Trump left House Democrats with no choice! It's all about their oath to the Constitution! They also care about their legacy and how history will judge them.

 

[Lakhota]

This impeachment is going to put a head shot in the 2-Party system!
Just wait until there is a Republican House majority with a Democrat President.
It's called a do-for-do.

Funny. Just consider Trump a little payback for President Clinton's blowjob impeachment. Plus, President Clinton never betrayed his country.

 

[task0778]

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

What do you think the chances are that the moderate Dems start their own party? The far left seems to own the current Dem party I think, and I don't know that they'll be going away anytime soon.

On CNN reality is starting to set in on the democrats and they are realizing that their candidates all suck.
According to them, Bernie and Warren are unelectable.
Biden, Buttplug, and Bloomberg are electable.
What will the socialists do if Bernie and Warren are cheated, either by super-delegates, or some other way.
The minorities are also pissed. Castro and Kamala are gone.
Steyer, Bloomberg, Buttplug, and Biden are still in (Klobuchar is all but gone)
Hunter Biden is Joe's "bathroom server". Tough to explain that $million cash cow.
So who is the real democrat that excites their base.........crickets.

TBH, I don't think any of them are electable. Crazy bastards, every one of them.

 

[Katniss]

Who cares what happens to politicians. I'm focused on making sure our Constitution remains intact. I don't care who loses their job as long as they do the right thing and protect our republic.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I hope the GOP takes the House back. That would each these Democrat Nazi pieces of shit a lesson about trying to overthrow the government

Of the last (8) presidents who ran for re-election only two were NOT re-elected. Carter and Papa Bush, because the economy hit a recession during their election.
In 2020 the economy appears to be ready to keep the steady growth without a recession. Brexit, China deals, a steady Fed, all look favorable for Trump.
Seems the stars are aligning, we'll see what happens closer to the 2020 election.

I was a kid but as I understand it, Bush Sr lost because Perot took many of his votes

Ross Perot took 18.9% of the vote, mostly from Bush. Here is an excerpt from wiki. He would have been better than Trump. Except the establishment hadn't moved the 60,000 factories to China back in 1992, they were just getting started. It was just bad timing. The GOP hadn't lost 2 presidential elections like when we voted Trump in as our populist. Lesson learned, do not use 3rd parties, they hurt your cause more than help it.

Ross Perot - Wikipedia
"In 1992, Perot announced his intention to run for president and advocated a balanced budget, an end to the outsourcing of jobs, and the enactment of electronic direct democracy. A June 1992 Gallup poll showed Perot leading a three-way race against President Bush and presumptive Democratic nominee Bill Clinton. Perot briefly withdrew from the race in July, but re-entered the race in early October after he qualified for all 50 state ballots. He chose Admiral James Stockdale as his running mate and appeared in the 1992 debates with Bush and Clinton. In the election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, but did not win any electoral votes."

What do you think the chances are that the moderate Dems start their own party? The far left seems to own the current Dem party I think, and I don't know that they'll be going away anytime soon.

On CNN reality is starting to set in on the democrats and they are realizing that their candidates all suck.
According to them, Bernie and Warren are unelectable.
Biden, Buttplug, and Bloomberg are electable.
What will the socialists do if Bernie and Warren are cheated, either by super-delegates, or some other way.
The minorities are also pissed. Castro and Kamala are gone.
Steyer, Bloomberg, Buttplug, and Biden are still in (Klobuchar is all but gone)
Hunter Biden is Joe's "bathroom server". Tough to explain that $million cash cow.
So who is the real democrat that excites their base.........crickets.

Mayor Pete stated Trump supporters are racists. He is done.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Will Impeachment cost Democrats the House?

Irrelevant. Trump left House Democrats with no choice! It's all about their oath to the Constitution! They also care about their legacy and how history will judge them.

If it is irrelevant then don’t post in this thread. I do not hijack yours so don’t hijack mine.

 

[airplanemechanic]

I don't think anyone really considered WHY they are rushing this so badly.

THEY claim its because "it's an ongoing crime, he keeps doing it." Ok well besides that being a bunch of bullshit, I think they are terrified they're going to lose the house in 2020 so they have to hurry and impeach while they still have control of the house. It has NOTHING to do with any "crime" Trump did.

Pelosi admitted she's been looking to impeach Trump for over 2 years, yet the so called "crimes" they are impeaching him for only happened a few months ago. In a real court of law, if the judge would find out the prosecutor has been investigating the defendant for a crime 2 years before that crime happened, the entire case would be thrown out of court.

 

[task0778]

There's lotsa theories about why the Dems are rushing the impeachment. One is that they're losing support for it, especially in the battleground states and districts. IMHO, if they adjourn the House without taking the vote then when they come back from the Christmas break, they'll have fewer votes than they do now.

 

[B. Kidd]

There's lotsa theories about why the Dems are rushing the impeachment. One is that they're losing support for it, especially in the battleground states and districts. IMHO, if they adjourn the House without taking the vote then when they come back from the Christmas break, they'll have fewer votes than they do now.

They're only rushing it to give their lame nominees some ad fodder, since their policies are total losers!

 

[kyzr]

This impeachment is going to put a head shot in the 2-Party system!
Just wait until there is a Republican House majority with a Democrat President.
It's called a do-for-do.

Also called "paybacks are a bitch"

 

[task0778]

This impeachment is going to put a head shot in the 2-Party system!
Just wait until there is a Republican House majority with a Democrat President.
It's called a do-for-do.

Also called "paybacks are a bitch"

LOL!

 

[B. Kidd]

This impeachment is going to put a head shot in the 2-Party system!
Just wait until there is a Republican House majority with a Democrat President.
It's called a do-for-do.

Also called "paybacks are a bitch"

And when it does happen, and it will, I hope it is totally Bi-Partisan with a great starting point being ABUSE OF POWER!

 

[kyzr]

On Hannity tonight Alan Dershowitz said that the USSC is taking Trump's tax return case, so that means that the House subpoenas MAY BE APPEALED TO THE COURTS. That also means that THE DEMOCRATS ARTICLE-2 IS NULL AND VOID. The House democrats claimed a power they do not have. Their subpoenas do NOT have to be obeyed, unless the court says so.

TRUMP WINS AGAIN, I'M TIRED OF WINNING!!

 

[rightwinger]

It was a call with a foreign leader where Trump was representing the US
He demanded personal favors in return for military aid

Hard to defend

Demanded? How did he demand it exactly?

We need a favor though

That equates to “demand”?

Yes it does

Unless you perform an investigation, you will not get Javelins

What part of “though” leaves any other option?

That's a fib that Z had to "do" an investigation. Trump wanted "Z" to "announce" an investigation.
Trump also asked Z to work with AG Barr.

Please tell me you can see the tiny issue of Biden's crack-head son getting a $million a year job for doing nothing, and that might could seem like a teeny-tiny conflict of interest for Joe Biden? (at least thats what the BO admin briefed Yovonovitch about before she went for her interview)

Exactly

Trump knew the investigation would find nothing. That is why he wanted Zelensky to announce he was INVESTIGATING Biden. Trump wanted an ongoing investigation that never actually concluded anything

Same way he defeated Hillary

 

[rightwinger]

On Hannity tonight Alan Dershowitz said that the USSC is taking Trump's tax return case, so that means that the House subpoenas MAY BE APPEALED TO THE COURTS. That also means that THE DEMOCRATS ARTICLE-2 IS NULL AND VOID. The House democrats claimed a power they do not have. Their subpoenas do NOT have to be obeyed, unless the court says so.

TRUMP WINS AGAIN, I'M TIRED OF WINNING!!

If so, Trump is setting quite a precedent on Presidential power. Essentially, a President can do what he wants.
Does the Supreme Court want to set itself up as the arbiter on all interactions between a President and Congress?

 

[JustAGuy1]