Why I will not vote for Obama

[Greenbeard]

It was the Senate bill and they had weeks to look at it. Pelosi was referring to brainwashed dupes like you, who listen to the Pub Propaganda network and have NO CLUE what's in the bill.

The House had at least 5 months with the legislative text; seven months if you count the release of the plain English mark of the Senate Finance Committee's bill, which is the core of the ACA.

 

[J.E.D]

I won't vote for him cause he is a liberal piece of shit. He draws flies.

Actually, it's your rancid piehole that's drawing flies. Close your flap, mouth-breather.

I always wonder what the faux-black perspective is. You're being a black whaaaanabee and all....

Still stuck on that "JosefK is a pretending to be black" nonsense, are you? Wouldn't it help my supposed sham if I DIDN'T openly say that I'm NOT black (like I've done repeatedly in response to you)? Haven't I embarrassed you enough times on this point? Are you sure you want to go down this road again?

I always wonder what the faux-intelligent perspective is. You being about as intelligent as the turd that my dog just squeezed out.

You. Are. A. Moron.

 

[J.E.D]

I won't vote for him cause he is a liberal piece of shit. He draws flies.

Actually, it's your rancid piehole that's drawing flies. Close your flap, mouth-breather.

speculum likes you1 you must be gay.

If your mouth is open, it must be time to feed the flies.

 

[WillowTree]

Actually, it's your rancid piehole that's drawing flies. Close your flap, mouth-breather.

speculum likes you1 you must be gay.

If your mouth is open, it must be time to feed the flies.

If COW shit was butter you wouldn't have to churn.

 

[francoHFW]

Another Pub Big Lie. Strong gov't regulation is the only way to hold down costs of health care.. ALL non-Pub-BS experts and the CBO say even weak Obamacare will save money on health care.And it will be added to and tinkered with forever.
Where all all the Pubs for a national exchange now? Absolutely bought off and FOS, they love this ridiculous non system. Dittohead fools....

 

[J.E.D]

speculum likes you1 you must be gay.

If your mouth is open, it must be time to feed the flies.

If COW shit was butter you wouldn't have to churn.

Don't be so modest. We all know that your cavernous gape of an asshole churns the best buttermilk this side of the globe.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why I will not vote for Obama

This is only relevant if you did vote for Obama in 2008.

 

[Trajan]

You want a few reasons why the US economy is sluggish? By this time, most economies have recovered and have experienced significant growth and more jobs after a recession is over. But not this time, and Mr Will talks about why.


Choking on Obamacare
By George F. Will, Published: December 2

In 1941, Carl Karcher was a 24-year-old truck driver for a bakery. Impressed by the large numbers of buns he was delivering, he scrounged up $326 to buy a hot dog cart across from a Goodyear plant. And the war came.

So did millions of defense industry workers and their cars. And, soon, Southern California’s contribution to American cuisine — fast food. Including, eventually, hundreds of Carl’s Jr. restaurants. Karcher died in 2008, but his legacy, CKE Restaurants, survives. It would thrive, says CEO Andy Puzder, but for government’s comprehensive campaign against job creation.

CKE, with more than 3,200 restaurants (Carl’s Jr. and Hardee’s), has created 70,000 jobs, 21,000 directly and 49,000 with franchisees. The growth of those numbers will be inhibited by — among many government measures — Obama*care.

When CKE’s health-care advisers, citing Obamacare’s complexities, opacities and uncertainties, said that it would add between $7.3 million and $35.1 million to the company’s $12 million health-care costs in 2010, Puzder said: I need a number I can plan with. They guessed $18 million — twice what CKE spent last year building new restaurants. Obamacare must mean fewer restaurants.

And therefore fewer jobs. Each restaurant creates, on average, 25 jobs — and as much as 3.5 times that number of jobs in the community. (CKE spends about $1 billion a year on food and paper products, $175 million on advertising, $33 million on maintenance, etc.)

Puzder laughs about the liberal theory that businesses are not investing because they want to “punish Obama.” Rising health-care costs are, he says, just one uncertainty inhibiting expansion. Others are government policies raising fuel costs, which infect everything from air conditioning to the cost (including deliveries) of supplies, and the threat that the National Labor Relations Board will use regulations to impose something like “card check” in place of secret-ballot unionization elections.

CKE has about 720 California restaurants, in which 84 percent of the managers are minorities and 67 percent are women. CKE has, however, all but stopped building restaurants in this state because approvals and permits for establishing them can take up to two years, compared to as little as six weeks in Texas, and the cost to build one is $100,000 more than in Texas, where CKE is planning to open 300 new restaurants this decade.

CKE restaurants have 95 percent employee turnover in a year — not bad in this industry — and the health-care benefits under CKE’s current “mini-med” plans are capped in a way that makes them illegal under Obamacare. So CKE will have to convert many full-time employees to part-timers to limit the growth of its burdens under Obamacare.

In an economic climate of increasing uncertainties, Puzder says, one certainty is that many businesses now marginally profitable will disappear when Obamacare causes that margin to disappear. A second certainty is that “employers everywhere will be looking to reduce labor content in their business models as Obamacare makes employees unambiguously more expensive.”

According to the U.S. Small Business Administration, by 2008 the cost of federal regulations had reached $1.75 trillion. That was 14 percent of national income unavailable for job-creating investments. And that was more than 11,000 regulations ago.
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Barack Obama has written that during his very brief sojourn in the private sector he felt like “a spy behind enemy lines.” Puzder knows what it feels like when gargantuan government is composed of multitudes of regulators who regard business as the enemy. And 22.9 million Americans who are unemployed, underemployed or too discouraged to look for employment know what it feels like to be collateral damage in the regulatory state’s war on business.

I happen to agree with George Will. I don't think employers should be the ones providing healthcare coverage. It is inefficient and not in their best interests

That's why we need government to step in and fill the role formerly conducted by employers.....provide an option for low cost healthcare

Or we could do what conservatives advocate......tell everyone to go fuck themselves. "Let them die"

yes , the gov. can step in.....sooooooooooo how that medicare prgm going?

 

[francoHFW]

Fantastic, despite Pub defunding. Keep after that!

 

[Wiseacre]

Why I will not vote for Obama

This is only relevant if you did vote for Obama in 2008.

Really? You think my vote in 2012 will have anything to do with how I voted in 2008? Last I checked, they all count the same.

 

[Trajan]

Annual health care costs of $12 million for 70,000 people?

Thet're saying HC costs would go up about $171.43 per person, do you find that to be an unreasonable assessment?

That's not what the sentence says. As it reads now, their current contribution to to employee health costs averages out to $170 per person per year: "it would add between $7.3 million and $35.1 million to the company’s $12 million health-care costs in 2010."

Which leads me back to Obama, chances are that however it shakes out will not be to the advantage of businesses large and small. Probably more to the large than small, which is odd cuz it's the small businesses that create the most new jobs. It's like he's doing the opposite of what he says he wants.

Small businesses gain access to SHOP exchanges, which can allow the employer to provide a defined contribution for use by the employee in finding the plan of her choice. If small employers want less uncertainty in their health costs, then allowing employees to take a defined contribution into the market and shop for their own plan would presumably be something they'd prefer over the current arrangement.

then whats up with all the waivers then? oh yea, right......just a slightoops.


the CLASS act? oh yea right, a bump in the road.



we are just bumps on the road on the way to serfdom!

 

[Dr.House]

Why I will not vote for Obama

This is only relevant if you did vote for Obama in 2008.

Really? You think my vote in 2012 will have anything to do with how I voted in 2008? Last I checked, they all count the same.

Shhh....

You'll only confuse the simple minded....

 

[rightwinger]

My grandparents didn't have healthcare and they prospered through the depression and fought WWII. The world doesn't owe you anything and the tyrannical government owes you even less. People need to become more self sufficient and most importantly get off their fat asses and do the things that will allow them to be healthier in later life instead of becoming a financial drain like the entitlement crazed boomer generation.

My grandparents died in their 60s........government didnt owe them anything

Let them die.......that's the GOP mantra

 

[Dot Com]

Ummm.....George Will also wrote this two days ago : The GOP’s front-runners: Bad and worse - The Washington Post

Romney and Gingrich, from bad to worse

 

[Wiseacre]

My grandparents didn't have healthcare and they prospered through the depression and fought WWII. The world doesn't owe you anything and the tyrannical government owes you even less. People need to become more self sufficient and most importantly get off their fat asses and do the things that will allow them to be healthier in later life instead of becoming a financial drain like the entitlement crazed boomer generation.

My grandparents died in their 60s........government doesnt owe them anything

Let them die.......that's the GOP mantra

That is a lie, every one of the repub proposals to revise healthcare includes provisions to grandfather in people who are already in the system or who are with 10 years or so of doing so. There are no repubs who are advocating the elimination of medicare, and people like you who spread BS disinformation are part of the problem of the growing divisiveness in this country.

 

[Wiseacre]

Ummm.....George Will also wrote this two days ago : The GOP’s front-runners: Bad and worse - The Washington Post

Romney and Gingrich, from bad to worse

Yeah, I saw that. I'll take my chances with either one over Obama. Both have said they'll get rid of ObamaCare, which has to be a positive. I suspect both will do a better job of improving this economy and creating more jobs than Obama has done.

 

[rightwinger]

This is only relevant if you did vote for Obama in 2008.

Really? You think my vote in 2012 will have anything to do with how I voted in 2008? Last I checked, they all count the same.

Shhh....

You'll only confuse the simple minded....

More biting commentary from the good doctor as he avoids actually contributing to a thread

 

[Flopper]

There are many reasons for rising healthcare cost. Government may add to cost but it is not the major reason for rising costs. Fee for service and technological advances are far more important factors.

Yes and no.

Mandates have increased costs, no may about it.

Whats that term..........

Oh yeah ........Preexisting conditions? But it didnt start there. Technological I would agree is one of the bigger drivers.

I said government adds to the cost but it's not the primary cause. When government pays for more healthcare for those who can not afford it, cost rises because more services are being delivered. One of the biggest causes of high medical cost is the fee for service system. It is wasteful, inefficient, and does not lead to the best outcomes. Lastly, patients are demanding better healthcare, earlier diagnosis, and more treatments for non-life threatening conditions.

 

[Dr.House]

Really? You think my vote in 2012 will have anything to do with how I voted in 2008? Last I checked, they all count the same.

Shhh....

You'll only confuse the simple minded....

More biting commentary from the good doctor as he avoids actually contributing to a thread

Sure beats the hyperbole you "contribute"...

I better go kick a puppy now... Gotta hit my quota for the day...

 

[Wiseacre]

There are many reasons for rising healthcare cost. Government may add to cost but it is not the major reason for rising costs. Fee for service and technological advances are far more important factors.

Yes and no.

Mandates have increased costs, no may about it.

Whats that term..........

Oh yeah ........Preexisting conditions? But it didnt start there. Technological I would agree is one of the bigger drivers.

I said government adds to the cost but it's not the primary cause. When government pays for more healthcare for those who can not afford it, cost rises because more services are being delivered. One of the biggest causes of high medical cost is the fee for service system. It is wasteful, inefficient, and does not lead to the best outcomes. Lastly, patients are demanding better healthcare, earlier diagnosis, and more treatments for non-life threatening conditions.

The fee for service system? As opposed to what?