Why hate the Jews?

[Annie]

DAngit! I still have to spread it around some more...

I think it is a conspiracy to get us talking about anything other than the border, which should be closed...



I still find it amazing when less than 3% of the population is blamed for so many of the problems... The SuperPowerful...

It almost reminds me of the Libs saying Bush is stupid, then in the next breath saying he heads an evil cabal in a worldwide conspiracy and is able to keep his complicity in every major crime in the US a secret all at once....

I have the same spreading problem. I agree, but hey, they work as a scapegoat for some. That some, well nevermind...

 

[Dr Grump]

In simple English, it is murdering an unborn human being.

If they are murders, why are not thousands of doctors being charged with murder?

 

[Dr Grump]

You assume MUCH. Isn't it you lefties who are so quick to throw out that morals do not have to be religion-based? MORALLY, God or no, it is taking the life of a human being who's only "crime" is conception.

Ethically, it allows irresponsible people an easy out from suffering the consequences of their actions..

I've known a few women who have had abortions. Not a single one of them saw it as an 'easy out'...you say it like a person who has never had to make such a decision. I am anti-abortion in that if a woman fell pregnant and asked my advice I'd tell her to keep it or give it up for adoption, but have the child. That being said, if she had an abortion it would not affect my opinion of her. As for the foetus being human, at what stage is it human? Directly before birth. I'm convinced. At the moment of conception? Not even close....so draw your line....

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I've known a few women who have had abortions. Not a single one of them saw it as an 'easy out'...you say it like a person who has never had to make such a decision. I am anti-abortion in that if a woman fell pregnant and asked my advice I'd tell her to keep it or give it up for adoption, but have the child. That being said, if she had an abortion it would not affect my opinion of her. As for the foetus being human, at what stage is it human? Directly before birth. I'm convinced. At the moment of conception? Not even close....so draw your line....

When is it not human?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I have the same spreading problem. I agree, but hey, they work as a scapegoat for some. That some, well nevermind...

Scapegoat implies they DON'T agitate for open borders and cultural dilution to feel safer.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Apologies if I sounded patronizing. That wasn't my intent. It's just that your post was in response to Grump's inquiry which was part of this exchange:



The implication in RWA's post is that first of all, abortion is infanticide. It isn't. Then, after skewing the debate with a word like infanticide (which implies a living infant, not a few cells), he then implies that the justification for abortion is religion-based. Now, looking at the title of this thread, I'd say his meaning was clear. Hence my not thinking it particularly funny. Racism and anti-semitism are rarely funny.

As for your link, which I thank you for, btw, it's got a couple of unsubstantiated anecdotes which hardly represent the norm.

I had a GREEEEAT DESCEEEEEENDAT of Baal SHem Tov, look it up, tell me to my face that the talmud justified stem cell based infancticide because it benefitted the majority. Democracy run amok, or, democracy fullfilling it's intended purpose, depending on p.o.v.

 

[dilloduck]

DAngit! I still have to spread it around some more...

I think it is a conspiracy to get us talking about anything other than the border, which should be closed...



I still find it amazing when less than 3% of the population is blamed for so many of the problems... The SuperPowerful...

It almost reminds me of the Libs saying Bush is stupid, then in the next breath saying he heads an evil cabal in a worldwide conspiracy and is able to keep his complicity in every major crime in the US a secret all at once....

They're not getting blamed for the worlds' problems. I'm trying to explore the type and amount of influence that this 3% actually has when compared to the other 97% of the population or does this have to remain a secret?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

It seems there's been a bit of a pogrom on the board to eliminate people who discuss race.

 

[dilloduck]

But, regardless of the merits of the past immigration, the point is that Dr. Steinlight no longer believes that mass immigration is in the interests of American Jewry.

One reason is that it will lead to “diminished Jewish political power.” He acknowledges that Jews have political influence vastly outside their numbers and says they should not be apologetic for that. After the Holocaust, he believes Jews couldn’t afford to be apolitical.

One manifestation of this Jewish political influence: America’s support for Israel. According to Dr. Steinlight, Jewish groups have succeeded in securing American support for Israel “by default,” because there was no other group in America that was as passionate about the issue.

http://www.vdare.com/misc/epstein_steinlight.htm

 

[dilloduck]

Foreign Workers -- New Trend in Migration

http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/foreignwork.htm

Daniel J. Elazar


Israel -- or at least the Israeli media -- seem to have awakened to the presence of the large number of foreign workers now among us and the likely consequences of their presence. It is not yet clear that the government and the private market that employs them have or even want to. Israel entered into the venture of importing foreign workers some forty years after Europe did so and long after Europe discovered the problems that such an importation brings with it. Like Europe, Israel has imported foreign workers in a systematic fashion, but in addition it has at least several tens of thousands of foreign workers who are in this country illegally. In that respect, Israel's problems are also similar to those of the United States which for decades has been faced with illegal immigration of Latin Americans and Asians seeking a better life for themselves by assuming the most menial positions in the American work force.

Both the European countries and the United States have learned to their discomfiture that many foreign workers, once they arrive, have no desire to return home, that the same reasons that propelled them to seek temporary work outside of their homelands makes them want to stay and build new lives in those more attractive and affluent societies. In shorter order, they bring their families or try to. In some cases they marry locals or, where the opportunity presents itself, with others from their own ethnic backgrounds. They have children who do not even know the countries that their parents came from and know only the host country into which they were born. The hosts who enjoy the fruits of the foreign workers' labor are not so keen on accepting them as permanent residents, much less citizens, and this in circumstances in which national identity is less exclusivist than normally is the case in Israel.

What Israel must come to recognize, is that in a state designed to give special attention to the Jewish people, a small minority in the world with very different customs who need a place where their ways are accepted and dominant ones, unthinking involvement in the new migration will end the possibility of maintaining Jewish civilization in any form.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I wish I could be enlightened enough to justify baby killing. Will the jews teach me how?

 

[Abbey Normal]

It seems there's been a bit of a pogrom on the board to eliminate people who discuss race.

Indeed. Qualified free speech strikes again.

I'm waiting for the ACLU-loving crowd to show up and deliver their favorite overused, bs line: "I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". They use it endlessly for anti-war protests, any and all anti-Bush utterances, child porn on the Internet, etc. Why not here?

I'm not holding my breath.

 

[no1tovote4]

If they are murders, why are not thousands of doctors being charged with murder?

Quite a while ago it was okay to "put down" your own property that also happened to be human. Why were they also not charged with murder? With new information and a new view we no longer accept such behavior. To assume that because it is currently legal that it is ethical is not a valid argument. Many atrocities have been legal, that does not make them right.

 

[dilloduck]

Foreign Workers -- New Trend in Migration

http://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles2/foreignwork.htm

Daniel J. Elazar


Israel -- or at least the Israeli media -- seem to have awakened to the presence of the large number of foreign workers now among us and the likely consequences of their presence. It is not yet clear that the government and the private market that employs them have or even want to. Israel entered into the venture of importing foreign workers some forty years after Europe did so and long after Europe discovered the problems that such an importation brings with it. Like Europe, Israel has imported foreign workers in a systematic fashion, but in addition it has at least several tens of thousands of foreign workers who are in this country illegally. In that respect, Israel's problems are also similar to those of the United States which for decades has been faced with illegal immigration of Latin Americans and Asians seeking a better life for themselves by assuming the most menial positions in the American work force.

Both the European countries and the United States have learned to their discomfiture that many foreign workers, once they arrive, have no desire to return home, that the same reasons that propelled them to seek temporary work outside of their homelands makes them want to stay and build new lives in those more attractive and affluent societies. In shorter order, they bring their families or try to. In some cases they marry locals or, where the opportunity presents itself, with others from their own ethnic backgrounds. They have children who do not even know the countries that their parents came from and know only the host country into which they were born. The hosts who enjoy the fruits of the foreign workers' labor are not so keen on accepting them as permanent residents, much less citizens, and this in circumstances in which national identity is less exclusivist than normally is the case in Israel.

What Israel must come to recognize, is that in a state designed to give special attention to the Jewish people, a small minority in the world with very different customs who need a place where their ways are accepted and dominant ones, unthinking involvement in the new migration will end the possibility of maintaining Jewish civilization in any form.

How come when Americans try this we are labeled racist etc etc etc. ?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

Indeed. Qualified free speech strikes again.

I'm waiting for the ACLU-loving crowd to show up and deliver their favorite overused, bs line: "I may not like what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". They use it endlessly for anti-war protests, any and all anti-Bush utterances, child porn on the Internet, etc. Why not here?

I'm not holding my breath.

Wait, people on this board are being censored? Did I miss something?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Wait, people on this board are being censored? Did I miss something?

She didn't say that. Are you trying to get her busted for questioning mods?

 

[Dr Grump]

When is it not human?

When is it human?

 

[Dr Grump]

To assume that because it is currently legal that it is ethical is not a valid argument.

You could say that about a large number of statutes and be here arguing all day about it....

 

[Abbey Normal]

Wait, people on this board are being censored? Did I miss something?

I was refering to the fact that there have been suggestions lately by some members that people shouldn't say or discuss certain things. You can call it attempted censorship if you'd like, but it has nothing to do with mods. In fact, the mods here do a good job of preventing members from stifling other members' free discussion. I have been on boards where that isn't the case, and it's not fun.

Btw, my comment wasn't specific to just this thread, but to anywhere on the board.

Wouldn't you agree that discussion is what message boards are all about, and what they thrive on, even if it is a topic you are "sensitive" about?

Why do I feel as though I just walked into some weird war?

 

[dilloduck]

I was refering to the fact that there have been suggestions lately by some members that people shouldn't say or discuss certain things. You can call it attempted censorship if you'd like, but it has nothing to do with mods. In fact, the mods here do a good job of preventing members from stifling other members' free discussion. I have been on boards where that isn't the case, and it's not fun.

Btw, my comment wasn't specific to just this thread, but to anywhere on the board.

Wouldn't you agree that discussion is what message boards are all about, and what they thrive on, even if it is a topic you are "sensitive" about?

Why do I feel as though I just walked into some weird war?

Prolly cause RWA is involved