Challenger
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You never try to see the other side.
I have, for decades, then discovered that Zionists lie, period.
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You never try to see the other side.
You never try to see the other side.
I have, for decades, then discovered that Zionists lie, period.
As have I, for decades, but more in earnest after I joined this board. That is why I joined here. I wanted to really see what both sides have to say. Unfortunately, after reading much of what the pro-pali side posted I have come to a different realization. That the actual rank and file 'Palestinian' has been used and abused by their 'leaders/spokesmen' from Al-Hussieni on down.You never try to see the other side.
I have, for decades, then discovered that Zionists lie, period.
And since I DO try to see both sides, I have found some (supposedly heavily Jew/Zionist/Hasbara {take your pick} edited) Wiki pages that may support your position.but if you do not see the resemblance to the map of the original Mandate then I cannot help you.
The "map" in question is a Zionist interpretation of what they want you to believe. Transjordania was never part of the original Mandate.
Link:White Paper of 1939 - WikipediaDuring World War I, the British had made two promises regarding territory in the Middle East. Britain had promised the Hashemite governors of Arabia, through Lawrence of Arabia and the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence, independence for a united Arab country covering Syria in exchange for their supporting the British against the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Caliphate had declared a military jihad in support of the Germans and it was hoped that an alliance with the Arabs would quell the chances of a general Muslim uprising in British-held territories in Africa, India, and the Far East.[7] Great Britain had also negotiated the Sykes-Picot Agreement, agreeing to partition the Middle East between Britain and France.
A variety of strategic factors, such as securing Jewish support in Eastern Europe as the Russian front collapsed, culminated in the Balfour Declaration, 1917, with Britain promising to create and foster a Jewish national home in Palestine. These broad delineations of territory and goals for both the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and Arab self-determination was approved in the San Remo conference.
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Link:White Paper of 1939 - Wikipedia
As have I, for decades, but more in earnest after I joined this board. That is why I joined here. I wanted to really see what both sides have to say. Unfortunately, after reading much of what the pro-pali side posted I have come to a different realization. That the actual rank and file 'Palestinian' has been used and abused by their 'leaders/spokesmen' from Al-Hussieni on down.You never try to see the other side.
I have, for decades, then discovered that Zionists lie, period.
I came into this conflict with no prejudice for or against either side. I am just a mid western Christian who was raised in a house where race, religion, etc. was never an issue.As have I, for decades, but more in earnest after I joined this board. That is why I joined here. I wanted to really see what both sides have to say. Unfortunately, after reading much of what the pro-pali side posted I have come to a different realization. That the actual rank and file 'Palestinian' has been used and abused by their 'leaders/spokesmen' from Al-Hussieni on down.You never try to see the other side.
I have, for decades, then discovered that Zionists lie, period.
Israel makes their terrorists Prime Ministers.This is not the first time the PLO has named a youth camp after a terrorist.
And since I DO try to see both sides...
The problem is that the Muslim Arabs didn't find that to be enough because of their centuries old hatred for the Jews. And now they still hate the Jews, as do you, and that is why you folks cannot allow them to even have a tiny sliver of land the size of New Jersey for their own home.
Ok if you think Wikipedia is a viable source look up "Transjordania" or "Emirate of Transjordan" <snip>
"Poor ickle Isreal, surrounded on all sides by nasty Muslims that hate her, boo hoo." All the surrounding states were prepared to make peace with Zionist Israel after 1948,<snip>
No, you are utterly obsessed with not responding to what I actually post and then try to deflect from it. You only quoted my link, granted I used that link in another thread where it made more sense, however, in THIS thread, I quoted what I thought was a pretty good summary of the promises that the British made to both sides during WWI. That link was the source of my material.TEDDYEARP SAID:
Link:White Paper of 1939 - Wikipedia
You're obsessed with this utterly meaningless document, earp.
My beef is with Zionism,a creed I find detestable ...
Originally posted by teddyearp
No, you are utterly obsessed with not responding to what I actually post and then try to deflect from it. You only quoted my link, granted I used that link in another thread where it made more sense, however, in THIS thread, I quoted what I thought was a pretty good summary of the promises that the British made to both sides during WWI. That link was the source of my material.
So if you actually want to address what I actually posted, get back to us.
As have I, for decades, but more in earnest after I joined this board. That is why I joined here. I wanted to really see what both sides have to say. Unfortunately, after reading much of what the pro-pali side posted I have come to a different realization. That the actual rank and file 'Palestinian' has been used and abused by their 'leaders/spokesmen' from Al-Hussieni on down.
I agree. If you couldn't respond in the original thread there was no reason for me to believe you'd fair any better here.
Ok if you think Wikipedia is a viable source look up "Transjordania" or "Emirate of Transjordan" <snip>
Interestingly enough, those are precisely the two pages I did look up to find a map of the British Mandate that did not include Trans-Jordan and that is what I meant in the rest of the sentence you left out of my quote. Those two pages seem to refute my OWN claim that Trans-Jordan was part of the Mandate, so I personally have to step back from my claim as 'unfounded'.
"Poor ickle Isreal, surrounded on all sides by nasty Muslims that hate her, boo hoo." All the surrounding states were prepared to make peace with Zionist Israel after 1948,<snip>
So why did they make war on Israel in 1948? And aren't you saying the same thing about the Palestinians? Poor Palestinians, boo hoo.
I get it, some of the things that are happening are not fair. But look at the whole area. It is not like Israel is trying to establish a national home in Persia. Or Egypt. Or Mesopotamia/Babylon. Or Syria. Ancient Persia is now Iran and they still live there. Ancient Babylon is now Iraq and they still live there. Ancient Egypt is still Egypt and they still live there. Ancient Syria/Assyria is now Syria and they still live there. Why does the world want to continue the hatred of the Jews and not allow the Israelite's to not return to their ancient home?
The part you forgot is that the Palestinians got the boot and no longer live there. That is the root of the problem.Ancient Persia is now Iran and they still live there. Ancient Babylon is now Iraq and they still live there. Ancient Egypt is still Egypt and they still live there. Ancient Syria/Assyria is now Syria and they still live there.
The part you forgot is that the Palestinians got the boot and no longer live there. That is the root of the problem.
Are there any historical records of the ancestor of a Jew owning a plot of land?The part you forgot is that the Palestinians got the boot and no longer live there. That is the root of the problem.
And the part you forgot is that the Jewish people got the boot and no longer live there. And that is the root of the problem.
Are there any historical records of the ancestor of a Jew owning a plot of land?The part you forgot is that the Palestinians got the boot and no longer live there. That is the root of the problem.
And the part you forgot is that the Jewish people got the boot and no longer live there. And that is the root of the problem.
So they bought land that was already given to them by G-d?Are there any historical records of the ancestor of a Jew owning a plot of land?The part you forgot is that the Palestinians got the boot and no longer live there. That is the root of the problem.
And the part you forgot is that the Jewish people got the boot and no longer live there. And that is the root of the problem.
Second Samuel 24: 18-25 (the Temple site which David bought from a Jebusite); Genesis 23:1-20 (the Tomb of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs, which Abraham bought from the Hittites); and Genesis 33: 18-20 (Joseph's Tomb, which Jacob bought from the Shechemites).
I remember sitting with my class from Bar-Ilan in a room right next to the tombs of Abraham and Sarah all those years ago, while a guide read to us those exact verses from the Torah (about Abraham's purchase of the site). What a surreal moment! I'm sure all of us were thanking Gd that we were able to return to our land.