CDZ When was America at its Greatest?

[Correll]

WWII

We saved the world

Having to rise to that challenge , having not been anywhere near the military might of the axis ,having to ration , assume a women work force, the list goes on & on ....~S~

We could not do something like that today. We are too divided and weak.

 

[Picaro]

So what era of America do we want to go back to?

Um, anyone who truley wishes to "go back to the 'good ol' days'" should start first by disposing of ALL technological advances since that time.

That means (depending on when the good ol' days were) no:

• smart phones
• cell phones of any kind
• internet
• advancements in medicine
• cable
• TV as a whole
• radio
• cars
• roads
• airplanes
• washing machines
• dish washers
• A/C
• Etc.

Seriously, who really wants to do without the conveniences of modern U.S. society?

We all got along just fine without that stuff, though in fact we had a lot of that stuff by the time I was born. Don't see 'smart phones' as anything 'great', just another scam to get idiots to pay yet another a monthly service charge for something useless.

As for myself, I really really liked driving across the West from Dallas to LA at an average speed at night around 110 mph with the 8 track and my amped up speakers blaring away, just to turned around and come back the same way, after a day or two of partying. You could go faster after they finished the interstate, but it wasn't as challenging then, kind of boring.

The only big change for the better was when FM stereo radio came along, and that forced rock and roll music to get much better; despite all the hype, it largely sucked in the 1950's and 1960's because the music market skewed toward the high range of crappy transistor radios and the bizarre whims and ever fickle tastes of dumbass teenage girls, who have no taste.. Anybody who doubts this need only check out all the Billboard Top 100 or Top 200 charts from around 1953 on; most of those 'great old classics' aren't near the top, and some years they're way down at # 75 or less. It's hilarious, really, how lousy the popular songs were in those days, pretty awful stuff dominated. And it only got worse with the Beatles, a revamped squeaky shrill little homo barbershop quartet came along, and because of all those shrieking lunatic girls everybody tried to copy them. My god The horror!!! THE HORROR!!! Endured that awful dark time for a few years until the real musicians began the rescue campaigns.

The Golden age of Rock was 1966 to 1972 and the Beatles were at the forefront. That music is iconic and is still widely played today.
I would not have ever played the music my parents or grandparents played. But kids today have a taste for vintage Rock and Roll

'Iconic'? You mean it was trash, but it sold a lot and made tone deaf idiots rich. you didn't say it was any good, though. Nobody would. We started seeing some of Van Morrison's better stuff after he left his Beatles copy band and went solo, Uriah Heep came along, Hendrix, and others, all due to stereo becoming cheaper and more affordable, and the high range screeching mono stuff sounded like the crap it was. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young became the new standard for barbershop quartets singing in the high ranges, with much better vocals and far better musical arrangements.

 

[rightwinger]

1945, the last time we won a war.

And segregation was still trendy.

Are you implying that wining a war and de-segregation are opposed?

WWII provoked the Civil Rights movement. Returning black soldiers anticipated returning to respect for their service. They were told to shut up and return to the old ways

 

[Correll]

I think America has always been great for some people at one point or another in our history. I've been reading "A people's history of the USA" by Howard Zinn. A pretty good read and not the stuff I was taught in school in the '50's and '60's, where we learned that America was always the greatest, bar none. Howard was a liberal, probably a socialist, but he was also a combat vet of ww2, who decided to go in depth about our country's past, both the good and the bad.

I saw Howard Zinn on C-span.

He is not a socialist. He is an outright communist and not a good source.


Don't trust him.

 

[Correll]

1945, the last time we won a war.

And segregation was still trendy.

Are you implying that wining a war and de-segregation are opposed?

WWII provoked the Civil Rights movement. Returning black soldiers anticipated returning to respect for their service. They were told to shut up and return to the old ways

THe trend to greater individual freedom has been going on since the Dark Ages, with the conflict between the Absolute POwer of Kings, and the desire of EVERYONE else for some, not to mention the competition between Serfdom and Peasantry.

 

[rightwinger]

So what era of America do we want to go back to?

Um, anyone who truley wishes to "go back to the 'good ol' days'" should start first by disposing of ALL technological advances since that time.

That means (depending on when the good ol' days were) no:

• smart phones
• cell phones of any kind
• internet
• advancements in medicine
• cable
• TV as a whole
• radio
• cars
• roads
• airplanes
• washing machines
• dish washers
• A/C
• Etc.

Seriously, who really wants to do without the conveniences of modern U.S. society?

We all got along just fine without that stuff, though in fact we had a lot of that stuff by the time I was born. Don't see 'smart phones' as anything 'great', just another scam to get idiots to pay yet another a monthly service charge for something useless.

As for myself, I really really liked driving across the West from Dallas to LA at an average speed at night around 110 mph with the 8 track and my amped up speakers blaring away, just to turned around and come back the same way, after a day or two of partying. You could go faster after they finished the interstate, but it wasn't as challenging then, kind of boring.

The only big change for the better was when FM stereo radio came along, and that forced rock and roll music to get much better; despite all the hype, it largely sucked in the 1950's and 1960's because the music market skewed toward the high range of crappy transistor radios and the bizarre whims and ever fickle tastes of dumbass teenage girls, who have no taste.. Anybody who doubts this need only check out all the Billboard Top 100 or Top 200 charts from around 1953 on; most of those 'great old classics' aren't near the top, and some years they're way down at # 75 or less. It's hilarious, really, how lousy the popular songs were in those days, pretty awful stuff dominated. And it only got worse with the Beatles, a revamped squeaky shrill little homo barbershop quartet came along, and because of all those shrieking lunatic girls everybody tried to copy them. My god The horror!!! THE HORROR!!! Endured that awful dark time for a few years until the real musicians began the rescue campaigns.

The Golden age of Rock was 1966 to 1972 and the Beatles were at the forefront. That music is iconic and is still widely played today.
I would not have ever played the music my parents or grandparents played. But kids today have a taste for vintage Rock and Roll

'Iconic'? You mean it was trash, but it sold a lot and made tone deaf idiots rich. you didn't say it was any good, though. Nobody would. We started seeing some of Van Morrison's better stuff after he left his Beatles copy band and went solo, Uriah Heep came along, Hendrix, and others, all due to stereo becoming cheaper and more affordable, and the high range screeching mono stuff sounded like the crap it was. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young became the new standard for barbershop quartets singing in the high ranges, with much better vocals and far better musical arrangements.

Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, CCR, Doors, Hendrix

All as popular today as they were 50 years ago

 

[Hellbilly]

I really owe Ron Howard for this one.

So what era of America do we want to go back to?

-The late 90's with the balanced budget?

~2010 with the dream of everyone paying for healthcare?

-1953?

-1970 The music was pretty good and besides the spat of assassinations there was hope of change.

-1859?

-1988 did feel pretty good if you ignored some corruption, terrorism failures and debt. We were winning the cold war.

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[Correll]

I really owe Ron Howard for this one.

So what era of America do we want to go back to?

-The late 90's with the balanced budget?

~2010 with the dream of everyone paying for healthcare?

-1953?

-1970 The music was pretty good and besides the spat of assassinations there was hope of change.

-1859?

-1988 did feel pretty good if you ignored some corruption, terrorism failures and debt. We were winning the cold war.

1491

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A bunch of stone age tribes?


LOL!

 

[joaquinmiller]

It can't be before 1960. That's when safe, effective birth control was approved and became widely-available. It was the biggest driver of social change in modern times.

 

[rightwinger]

It can't be before 1960. That's when safe, effective birth control was approved and became widely-available. It was the biggest driver of social change in modern times.

Family structure changed
I grew up in the 60s and most families in my neighborhood had 4-6 kids

Today, anything over two is big

 

[Correll]

It can't be before 1960. That's when safe, effective birth control was approved and became widely-available. It was the biggest driver of social change in modern times.

Family structure changed
I grew up in the 60s and most families in my neighborhood had 4-6 kids

Today, anything over two is big

Part of the transition from an agricultural society, where children are productive workers to an industrial then information age, where they become less and less useful and more and more expensive.


If the average family size was 5, I doubt that Social Security would be in trouble. If it still was, it would be far more fixable.

 

[joaquinmiller]

It can't be before 1960. That's when safe, effective birth control was approved and became widely-available. It was the biggest driver of social change in modern times.

Family structure changed
I grew up in the 60s and most families in my neighborhood had 4-6 kids

Today, anything over two is big

Birth control freed women in a way nothing else had.

Contrary to the claims of many righties on this and other boards, Washington doesn't direct social change. It belatedly reflects it.

 

[rightwinger]

It can't be before 1960. That's when safe, effective birth control was approved and became widely-available. It was the biggest driver of social change in modern times.

Family structure changed
I grew up in the 60s and most families in my neighborhood had 4-6 kids

Today, anything over two is big

Birth control freed women in a way nothing else had.

Contrary to the claims of many righties on this and other boards, Washington doesn't direct social change. It belatedly reflects it.

Birth control freed women to get jobs
Once they were self supporting, they were no longer trapped in unhappy marriages and the divorce rate jumped

 

[Pellinore]

Also, the late 80s. If you weren't there and didn't live it, you have no idea what you missed. None.

MTV aired a Guns N' Roses concert from LA at something like midnight one weekend night back in the day. Seeing "Welcome to the Jungle" live for the first time changed everything.

 

[Pellinore]

It can't be before 1960. That's when safe, effective birth control was approved and became widely-available. It was the biggest driver of social change in modern times.

Family structure changed
I grew up in the 60s and most families in my neighborhood had 4-6 kids

Today, anything over two is big

Birth control freed women in a way nothing else had.

Contrary to the claims of many righties on this and other boards, Washington doesn't direct social change. It belatedly reflects it.

I would argue that one other thing had - when they got the vote in 1919.

But yes.

 

[Pellinore]

As to the OP, 2016.

We've always had problems, but until recently we've always been moving toward our "more perfect union." Since the election, though, I'm not totally convinced that we're making progress right now.

 

[Pellinore]

I really owe Ron Howard for this one.

So what era of America do we want to go back to?

-The late 90's with the balanced budget?

~2010 with the dream of everyone paying for healthcare?

-1953?

-1970 The music was pretty good and besides the spat of assassinations there was hope of change.

-1859?

-1988 did feel pretty good if you ignored some corruption, terrorism failures and debt. We were winning the cold war.

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A bunch of stone age tribes?


LOL!

So in your mind, greatness is a function of technology?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

America was at its absolute finest on the evening of July 17th, 1971, at a location up several miles of gravel road in a rural northern California country.


She may not have seen it as America at its finest right then, but I sure did.

 

[Correll]

I really owe Ron Howard for this one.

So what era of America do we want to go back to?

-The late 90's with the balanced budget?

~2010 with the dream of everyone paying for healthcare?

-1953?

-1970 The music was pretty good and besides the spat of assassinations there was hope of change.

-1859?

-1988 did feel pretty good if you ignored some corruption, terrorism failures and debt. We were winning the cold war.

1491

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A bunch of stone age tribes?


LOL!

So in your mind, greatness is a function of technology?

Having stone age tech, while the rest of the world has moved on and past the Bronze age and Iron age and Medieval Age,


is not great.

In fact, it sucks.

 

[top3]

I really owe Ron Howard for this one.

So what era of America do we want to go back to?

-The late 90's with the balanced budget?

~2010 with the dream of everyone paying for healthcare?

-1953?

-1970 The music was pretty good and besides the spat of assassinations there was hope of change.

-1859?

-1988 did feel pretty good if you ignored some corruption, terrorism failures and debt. We were winning the cold war.

Your first answer was right.