when kerry is elected

[wolvie20m]

You guys scare all the democrats away. should call this conservetive/republican USMB with a little independents sprikled here and there.

 

[fuzzykitten99]

You guys scare all the democrats away. should call this conservetive/republican USMB with a little independents sprikled here and there.

well, it's like they say...if you can't take the heat,get out of the kitchen.
or...
if you believe socialism works and Kerry would be a better Prez, get your head out of your ass.

 

[Mainframe]

well, it's like they say...if you can't take the heat,get out of the kitchen.
or...
if you believe socialism works and Kerry would be a better Prez, get your head out of your ass.

lol.. i dont think its that way. its more like a dog pile and you gotta fight off at least 3 or 4 at a time...
but then again, this isnt exactly a democrat/liberal board. attacking or better yet, presenting info not catered to the republican party will get you lynched here.

whats the ratio? 10:2:1?

 

[fuzzykitten99]

but then again, this isnt exactly a democrat/liberal board. attacking or better yet, presenting info not catered to the republican party will get you lynched here.

i didn't know providing proof and FACTs that prove the left wingers wrong was called lynching...

they just refuse to see facts for facts. they prefer to make up their own facts, then try to pass them off as true.

 

[Mr. P]

lol.. i dont think its that way. its more like a dog pile and you gotta fight off at least 3 or 4 at a time...
but then again, this isnt exactly a democrat/liberal board. attacking or better yet, presenting info not catered to the republican party will get you lynched here.

whats the ratio? 10:2:1?

Mainframe.......
Your premise is somewhat true here on certain subjects (religion is one).
But overall it's no different here than at an extremely left wing site I used to frequent.
Over there, if you will, we conservatives were greatly out numbered but still prevailed.
Why? Cuz truth, facts and research and good ole common sense always prevail.

I drop in the old place now an then. About 6 of us, yep just 6, left and the place is pretty DEAD now.
The index of new posts reflect little activity. Drop down 10 threads and find stuff posted from last week.

Liberals just need help keeping it UP!
:rotflmao: I guess that's why DU is like they are...they can't survive on that "Level playing field".

 

[KarlMarx]

Create more jobs, stop outsourcing
Reduce healthcare
more choices for healthcare
Will not privitize social security
Get of out of the economy downfall
Choices for women
rights for women and minorities
get our troops back
Help college age students with loans, and other programs
get the 1.6 miilion jobs back, which bush lost

He going to do more then bush ever did. What has bush done for this country, that is the really question.

1. Create more jobs and stop outsourcing - we already are at 5.4% unemployment. About 1/2 to 1 point less unemployment and we will be at what economists term "full employment" i.e. the amount of unemployment that will ensure that the economy will continue to expand. As for ending outsourcing....sure, that'll help. Then you'll force American companies to incorporate overseas and take the jobs with them.

2. More choices for healthcare --- how is that going to happen? The only way you can "increase choices for healthcare" is to expand the health care industry and that will mean increasing revenues and profits. But to do that, you will have to cut taxes.

3. Will not privitize Social Security --- hey, what do I care? I'll be dead by the time you're ready to collect Social Security. The problem is that by the time you reach 65, Social Security will be bankrupt or you will be paying 60% of your salary to fund Social Security (there are more baby boomers than there are succeeding generations). Social Security is a "pay as you go" system. Contrary to popular belief, the government isn't setting the money you're paying into the system aside for you, it is using it to pay current beneficiaries. Of course, privitization will help to increase the odds that Social Security will be solvent by the time you're old enough to collect.

4. Get out of the economic downfall --- what does that mean? Unemployment is as low as it was during the Clinton Administration. The economy is expanding, not contracting, we are not in a recession. Bush inherited a recession and we are currently in an economic expansion. Another way of helping to expand the economy is to eliminate or reduce the Capital Gains Tax. Bush is for this, Kerry isn't. Reducing the Capital Gains Tax by the 1994 Congress was partly responsible for the economic prosperity of the 1990s and for the subsequent reduction of the Federal Deficit. Sounds like Bush is the man for you!

5. Choices for women/rights for women and minorities --- I have news for you dear. Women and minorities already have choices and rights. In fact, women account for a majority of college graduates..were you aware of that? It is illegal to discriminate on the basis of sex, race, religion, national origin and has been so since 1964. Also, if you're talking about "choice" as in abortion --- you've had the right to kill your baby since 1973. In fact, the Supreme Court made it illegal for states to ban abortion in 1973 when it decided for "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade.

5. Get our troops back --- and then what? A strong military presence abroad discourages hostile foreign nations from attacking us. A free Iraq will help our national interest and prevent us from being isolated here at home. Do you honestly believe that hostile foreign powers will not attack us if we became isolationist again?

6. Help college age students with loans and other programs --- that has been the case since I was a baby. Also, the government provides free education if you enlist in the military (not to mention, if you serve long enough, you get a pension!).

7. The 1.6 million jobs that Bush lost. The president doesn't create jobs. There isn't a switch in the Oval Office that the president throws to create jobs. Jobs are created by the free market economy which we enjoy. No one can completely control that because our economy is the sum of the economic choices that hundreds of millions of Americans make each day.

One way you create jobs is to encourage business development. The way you do that is to cut taxes, streamline regulations and bring about tort reform. That's what Conservatives want. Kerry's plans are to increase taxes and government regulations, and will get cozy with the Trial Lawyers so that even more jobs will go overseas.

Advice: You should not listen to Kerry speeches (after Tuesday it won't be a problem) and crack open a few books on economics, learn how our government works and learn to think for yourself. The rantings of the NOW, the ACLU and the DNC are poor substitutes for independent thought.If you bothered to look closely, those organizations are filled with disaffected Marxists and sociopaths. God gave you a brain, use it.

 

[rmdoyle]

Create more jobs, stop outsourcing
Reduce healthcare
more choices for healthcare
Will not privitize social security
Get of out of the economy downfall
Choices for women
rights for women and minorities
get our troops back
Help college age students with loans, and other programs
get the 1.6 miilion jobs back, which bush lost

He going to do more then bush ever did. What has bush done for this country, that is the really question.

I agree with all of this. I think that Senator Kerry will make a fine President.

 

[NightTrain]

I have about 1000 posts minimum on this board about why I support Bush, what he has done and will do - all with facts to support them and reputable sources to go along with them. I'm confident a few members here will vouch for my ability to supply facts and sources with my posts.

He'll eat you alive, chickie!

This is almost as entertaining as a Spilly thread.

You've made some real serious allegations here. When asked for backup, you provided material that actually proved your postions wrong... but mostly IGNORED the requests for backup. Save some face with the posters that asked you about backup by being an adult and admitting that you can't answer it.

I can appreciate your enthusiasm, but here is the bottom line : You can't back up your assertions with facts / articles / common sense.

I won't add to the attacks, even though there's a ton of stuff I could hammer you on, you've got more than a full plate here.

A suggestion : Make sure you understand the issue before coming here with guns blazing. When you make a statement, always be prepared to back it up, because chances are that you'll be called on it.

You don't fully grasp the concepts that you're trying to argue, and it's painfully clear to everyone.

I will admit that I admire your courage, but don't expect anyone to take what you claim at face value. As you can see, many people actually go and read the link that is requested of you.

Please do answer all of the posts asking you for backup. Ignoring them won't make them go away, but detracts from your personal reputation.

 

[fuzzykitten99]

lolita715...do you ever plan on responding to my post on your claims about kerry?

 

[manu1959]

Well I know what Kerry is going to do and I had facts to support it. I know we will be better off without bush, and Im the one who should feel sorry for you. It's been four years and you still support Bush. He has done nothing, but I guess you have faith he will do something if he is elected. You should not tell me I dont know why Iam supporting Kerry. Because you couldnt be more then wrong!!!

and in a nut shell i have what i was looking for...

i live in sunny california .... a conservitive in a sea of liberal hate.... i love discussing politics and often ask why kerry, or clinton, or boxer or pelosi or whoever and this is what i get.....emotion...never facts never how...it reminds me of the guy that i lost to in college.....i articulated student counsel programs, student teacher round tables, student court for discipline, he promised coke in the soda fountain, accused me of smoking dope, drinking and having sex....he won i lost he got expelled for smoking dope, drinking and having sex.....liberals in a nut shell

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

lol.. i dont think its that way. its more like a dog pile and you gotta fight off at least 3 or 4 at a time...
but then again, this isnt exactly a democrat/liberal board. attacking or better yet, presenting info not catered to the republican party will get you lynched here.

whats the ratio? 10:2:1?

Now you know how we feel over at Yahoo and any number of other boards.

I'll alos add that democrats/liberals aren't lynched if they can present their positions reasonably and with some facts.

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

Create more jobs, stop outsourcing
Reduce healthcare
more choices for healthcare
Will not privitize social security
Get of out of the economy downfall
Choices for women
rights for women and minorities
get our troops back
Help college age students with loans, and other programs
get the 1.6 miilion jobs back, which bush lost

He going to do more then bush ever did. What has bush done for this country, that is the really question.

Post number 58 in this thread.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?p=184422#post184422

Looks like I missed all the fun. Rather than respond to specific posts, I guess I'll just go for the highlights.

"John Kerry will propose a bill to increase minimum wage from 5.15-7.00"

Congress is already considering raising the minimum wage by $1.50, from $5.15 to $6.65 per hour in three installments. If it does go up, John Kerry wouldn't have a damn thing to do with it.

Kerry will "get the 1.6 million jobs back, which bush lost"

We've been over this before Lolita. Remember? When you first came here and claimed you would out debate me "like Kerry out debated Bush"?
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Kerry and the Democrats are over blowing that number by 1 million jobs. That means we're down 600,000 from the time President Bush took office. We lost over 1 million jobs in the first thirty days after the 9/11 attack, and who knows how many more in the months that followed that were directly or indirectly related to that attack. That is NOT President Bush's fault, and I would say the job he has done creating jobs and keeping the economy strong is outstanding with all he has had to deal with.

By the way, another lie the Kerry people are putting out there is that the jobs that have been created during the President's first term are paying an average of $9,000 less a year than the jobs that were lost. Not true. They are paying an average of $9,000 less than jobs that are already there. The fact is, most of the jobs that have been created are management and upper level jobs that on average pay more per year than the jobs that were lost.

Kerry "Will not privatize social security"

A question rather than a comment. What do you find wrong with privatizing social security?

"Kerry will offer college students up to $4000 over 4 years to college students.
he was also give 10 billion to colleges"

Add these two together, plus all the other spending he has planned, and it equals raise taxes. Something I noticed you left off your list.

"he opposes restictions on abortions, giving females fights"

Protecting a females right to kill a baby. How sweet.

"I have already said what he will do, why cant a single republican tell me what bush has done."

Actually, I consider myself an Independent, but since I may as well be a Republican right now I'll gladly answer.

*Given a tax break to EVERYONE so we can keep more of our own money.

*Took action against terrorists in response to their attack. Something NOT every President would do and, in fact, was not what a certain Bubba Ho-Prez did.

*Is the first President to allow stem cell research, something you would still be praising Bubba for if he had done it.

*Yes, got us out of the recession

*Showed concern for a child's right by passing a ban on partial birth abortion

*Approved Health Savings Accounts allowing small businesses to save money on medical costs

*Signed legislation increasing the maximum monthly for the GI Bill from $670 to $1,000

*Increased the budget for V.A. hospitals by 40 percent

*Increased pay and benefits for the military

*Has increased funding for Pell Grants by nearly 50% ($4.1 billion if you're counting)

*Has strengthened local control of public schools

*Liberated two countries, one of which has already held elections

There's more, but why bother since Lolita will just ignore it.

Now, let's take a look at what Senator John F. Kerry has accomplished in his 20 year senatorial career.

*A Bill To Amend The Small Business Act With Respect To The Women's Business Center Program.

Basically added providing financial assistance to non-profit organizations controlled by women to a bill that was already there.

*A Bill To Redesignate The Federal Building Located At 380 Trapelo Road In Waltham, Massachusetts, As The "Frederick C. Murphy Federal Center."

Pretty self explanatory, and pretty pointless.

*A Bill To Authorize Appropriations For The Marine Mammal Protection Act Of 1972 And To Improve The Program To Reduce The Incidental Taking Of Marine Mammals During The Course Of Commercial Fishing Operations, And For Other Purposes

Somehow this fits Kerry. It's long winded and isn't nearly as impressive as it sounds. It did stuff like allow designation of reserves, increased fines for violations, and :blah2: :blah2: :blah2: :blah2:

*A Bill To Authorize Appropriations To Carry Out The National Sea Grant College Program Act, And For Other Purposes

Again, :blah2: :blah2: :blah2: :blah2:

*A Bill For The Relief Of Kil Joon Yu Callahan

Kil Joon Yu was a Korean woman who was married to a U.S. citizen. They wanted to come to the United States, but Kil Joon Yu had her visa request denied due to a conviction for a small amount of pot. The bill allowed Kil Joon Yu to enter the United States with her husband and their child. (yawn)

Yeah boy. These two records really compare.

Have a nice day. :usa:

 

[KarlMarx]

Can't help but say this...raising the minimum wage is not a good thing. All that will do is force businesses to raise the prices of goods and services and eventually you'll be back to where you started.

Anyway, if you have a "liveable" minimum wage, what motivation will people in those jobs have to better themselves?

Fact....most people who are in the lowest 25% earnings-wise will be in the top 50% earnings-wise in 10-15 years and some will be in the top 25% of wage earners. The reason? Most people in the lower paying jobs are in their teens and early twenties, so they are just starting their careers. By the time they hit their thirties, they earn much more. The minimum wage doesn't do anything good but makes the politicians look good to the voters. In fact, the minimum wage hurts business.

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

Can't help but say this...raising the minimum wage is not a good thing. All that will do is force businesses to raise the prices of goods and services and eventually you'll be back to where you started.

Anyway, if you have a "liveable" minimum wage, what motivation will people in those jobs have to better themselves?

Fact....most people who are in the lowest 25% earnings-wise will be in the top 50% earnings-wise in 10-15 years and some will be in the top 25% of wage earners. The reason? Most people in the lower paying jobs are in their teens and early twenties, so they are just starting their careers. By the time they hit their thirties, they earn much more. The minimum wage doesn't do anything good but makes the politicians look good to the voters. In fact, the minimum wage hurts business.

I partly agree. I think there is a need for minimum wage, but we have to be careful and not let the minimum wage get to high.

A lot of people seem to think that businesses are opened just to provide jobs, but the fact is people open businesses to make money. That's true of big corporations too. Stop outsourcing and raise the minimum wage to high and it won't lead to everyone making money hand over fist and 0% unemployment. If anything, it will lead to a rise in unemployment as businesses look to cut costs.