What's fundamentally wrong with America?

[Erand7899]

Well?

Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

The stigma of being on the government dole has changed with this guy. Now people are proud they dont have to work.

How is welfare fundamental to the country?

I'm not asking what pisses you off, I'm asking about the fundamentals

The fundamental here is the concept that Americans are responsible for their own lives, deserve the rewards of their successes, and are willing to suffer the penalties of their failures. Obama wants to change that by taking from those who are successful for the purpose of insulating those who have failed, from the consequences of their failures.

It is the key to the old liberal/socialist "I have mine, screw you.", concept of greed. The "You didn't get there on your own, so you owe me some of your reward.", idea that even though he was not one of those who helped you get there, he still deserves part of what you gained. An excuse to rob those who are successful.

 

[007]

THIS is what is FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG with America... and we have a socialist president pushing it...

 

[bripat9643]

Fundamentally wrong?

America has gotten just plain mean. Politics has evolved into dog fights over every single issue big and small. There is no middle ground in America, no concession, no compromise, no "walk a mile in the other guys shoes"

The internet and the media has fueled it. They instantly and viciously attack anyone who tries to compromise. A "win/win" solution is a loss because it allows the other guy to win also

When do Democrats ever compromise on anything? When are we ever debating whether to cut the Department of Education by $20 billion rather than $10 billion?

 

[Erand7899]

Well?

Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

The stigma of being on the government dole has changed with this guy. Now people are proud they dont have to work.

And you are full of shit. The near Second Great Republican Depression put a great many people out of work, and there are still too few jobs for the number of people available. You put an add in the paper for a good job that does not require specialized skills, and there are 500 to 1000 applications. That is not indictutive of people not wanting to work.

Have you ever asked yourself why so many Americans have few marketable skills beyond manual labor and monkey see, monkey do type work? Do you believe that individual Americans have an obligation to make themselves employable?

None of us were born with specialized skills, except for a few who have natural talents that they can take advantage of. Consequently, we all start out relatively equal, and our future lives depend on what we do to get to those future lives. Some work hard in school, and others do not. Some take control of their lives, and others allow life to take control of them. Some sacrifice today to have a better tomorrow, and others live for today and let tomorrow take care of itself.

Still others sit on their asses and complain that the economy is bad, or that government is not doing more to help them out. All those people still going to work in the morning must have rich uncles, or they ass kiss the boss. Couldn't possibly be any fault to the fat ass doing little more than complaining that life sucks.

 

[rightwinger]

Fundamentally wrong?

America has gotten just plain mean. Politics has evolved into dog fights over every single issue big and small. There is no middle ground in America, no concession, no compromise, no "walk a mile in the other guys shoes"

The internet and the media has fueled it. They instantly and viciously attack anyone who tries to compromise. A "win/win" solution is a loss because it allows the other guy to win also

When do Democrats ever compromise on anything? When are we ever debating whether to cut the Department of Education by $20 billion rather than $10 billion?

Where did I mention either party?

 

[Katzndogz]

Fundamentally wrong?

America has gotten just plain mean. Politics has evolved into dog fights over every single issue big and small. There is no middle ground in America, no concession, no compromise, no "walk a mile in the other guys shoes"

The internet and the media has fueled it. They instantly and viciously attack anyone who tries to compromise. A "win/win" solution is a loss because it allows the other guy to win also

When do Democrats ever compromise on anything? When are we ever debating whether to cut the Department of Education by $20 billion rather than $10 billion?

The government is not functioning because the nation has already divided and can no longer be governed as if it was one nation. Compromise is no longer on the table. There is no middle ground because there is literally no middle ground. There is not one point on which the two sides could agree.

 

[P@triot]

How does that make any sense? Where did DTMB say we had to agree on everything?

The reality is, we've allowed liberals (on BOTH sides of the aisle) to ignore the ultimate law of the land and do whatever the hell they wanted.

name the GOP liberals

George W. Bush
John Boener
John McCain
Chris Gibson

 

[P@triot]

Fundamentally wrong?

America has gotten just plain mean. Politics has evolved into dog fights over every single issue big and small. There is no middle ground in America, no concession, no compromise, no "walk a mile in the other guys shoes"

The internet and the media has fueled it. They instantly and viciously attack anyone who tries to compromise. A "win/win" solution is a loss because it allows the other guy to win also

When do Democrats ever compromise on anything? When are we ever debating whether to cut the Department of Education by $20 billion rather than $10 billion?

The government is not functioning because the nation has already divided and can no longer be governed as if it was one nation. Compromise is no longer on the table. There is no middle ground because there is literally no middle ground. There is not one point on which the two sides could agree.

And that's because the Dumbocrats have been hijacked by socialists, marxists, and communists.

 

[Harry Dresden]

all the ones who have been labled RINOS.....

McCain, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Romney, ... even Reagan had two bad moments... first when he increased taxes to "fix" ss and also when he provided amnesty to the illegals.

You can add that senile old sack of puss Bob Dole, and that fat, greasy obama ass kisser Chrissy Christie to the list too.

whats the matter 007?.....do you have a problem with people who just are not as Far Right as you are?...someone who can actually work with others piss you off?...

 

[Erand7899]

Read "Greedy Bastards" by Dylan Ratigan.

What is wrong with our country is the Greedy Bastards that inhabit just about every aspect of our nation....energy, trade, banking, healthcare, education and government/taxation.

It's a great read and it is very party neutral...both sides have their share of the blame and most of it revolves around campaign money.

Just an example...do you realize that the price we pay at the.pump for a gallon of gas is less than a third of the actual cost? Who.pays the other 2/3? Everybody...in the form of taxes....taxes to keep our.military ready to put out the "fires" in the middle East in order to keep things relatively stable, the cost of health care for folks.that have breathing issues.in our cities where the air quality is shitty.at times, let's not forget direct subsidation of both the oil industry and the the farming industry(ethanol) economists estimate the true cost for a gallon of regular unleaded to be between $10-15. If we were.paying that at the pump, there would be a revolution...but because.it's hidden from us, most don't even pay attention...unless it goes up a significant amount at the pump.....that's not to.mention that we are funding people who don't fucking like us.

Obviously...he goes into much greater detail than I can recall off the top of my head....but it's definitely worth the price.of admission.

to me there is nothing wrong with wanting to make as much as you can.....i just have a problem when you are fucking over other people to do it......

You cannot be fucked over, unless you put yourself in that position. You have an obligation to take control of your own life, and not depend on someone else to provide for your pursuit of happiness. Or, you can sit back, let life run over the top of you, and bitch about being fucked over by those who are not sitting on their asses and allowing live to run over them.

 

[P@triot]

Read "Greedy Bastards" by Dylan Ratigan.

The only "Greedy Bastads" are the libtards like you. There is nothing "greedy" about hard work and long hours. Whatever you reap from that is well deserved.

It's you libtards who demand free food, free housing, free healthcare, free transportation, free education, etc. that are the "greedy (lazy) bastards".

there is something wrong with those "greedy" people who fuck people over or have no cares about what they are destroying to get their money.....

Example?

 

[P@triot]

name the GOP liberals

all the ones who have been labled RINOS.....

McCain, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Romney, ... even Reagan had two bad moments... first when he increased taxes to "fix" ss and also when he provided amnesty to the illegals.

 

[P@triot]

McCain, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Romney, ... even Reagan had two bad moments... first when he increased taxes to "fix" ss and also when he provided amnesty to the illegals.

You can add that senile old sack of puss Bob Dole, and that fat, greasy obama ass kisser Chrissy Christie to the list too.

whats the matter 007?.....do you have a problem with people who just are not as Far Right as you are?...someone who can actually work with others piss you off?...

You have to admit HD - Christie has become a deplorable hypocrite. After screaming about conservative principles and the problem with federal government, he goes running to Obama for every federal dollar he can get when a small storm causes some damage.

Sorry, but if you're going to run your mouth, you damn well better walk-the-walk when push comes to shove. And Christie didn't do it - he went for the easy way out.

 

[bripat9643]

Fundamentally wrong?

America has gotten just plain mean. Politics has evolved into dog fights over every single issue big and small. There is no middle ground in America, no concession, no compromise, no "walk a mile in the other guys shoes"

The internet and the media has fueled it. They instantly and viciously attack anyone who tries to compromise. A "win/win" solution is a loss because it allows the other guy to win also

When do Democrats ever compromise on anything? When are we ever debating whether to cut the Department of Education by $20 billion rather than $10 billion?

Where did I mention either party?

Who is supposed to do the compromising then?

 

[P@triot]

Newt's bs talking points etc ended intelligent civil discourse. Now it's finally turning around slowly. Next year, charlatans and dupes on the run...O-Care greatness kills them...

F+F- total BS (ex: ATF chief in charge of gunwalking said neither administration was told about it.)
Bengazi- BS!
AP- Real cons say they would have done the same thing.
IRS- Pub auditor: No partisanship or WH connection. No Pub org turned down.

Issa and Pub "scandals" are are becoming a total joke except for the alternate Pub universe, which is gettting shaky. LOL

This right here is what is wrong with America. When faced with an indisputable reality (ie these are all MAJOR scandals and even radical left-wing sources are citing them as such), the libtard closes their eyes real right and goes

 

[P@triot]

Newt's bs talking points etc ended intelligent civil discourse. Now it's finally turning around slowly. Next year, charlatans and dupes on the run...O-Care greatness kills them...

F+F- total BS (ex: ATF chief in charge of gunwalking said neither administration was told about it.)

So people have been murdered - including government agents - by guns that the Obama Administration donated to vicious drug cartels and your response is "B.S."? Wonder if you would have that same immature and irrational response if it was a member of your family that was killed.

Bengazi- BS!

So people have been murdered - including government agents - because the Obama Administration was grossly negligent in their duties (and maybe even complicit in the murders) and your response is "B.S."? Wonder if you would have that same immature and irrational response if it was a member of your family that was killed.

Oh - by the way, it's Benghazi you uneducated high school drop out...

AP- Real cons say they would have done the same thing.

So if we catch a serial killer tomorrow, we should let him go because Ted Bundy "would have done the same thing"?

Funny how he doesn't scream "BS" on this one. It hits a little too close to home for Frankie here - realizing if the GOP gets the White House in 2017 and decides to get revenge, the libtards would be fucked.

IRS- Pub auditor: No partisanship or WH connection. No Pub org turned down.

Complete and total partisanship and the White House ran the entire thing. Sorry partisan hack wingnut - you lose! The facts destroy you (just like they will the sorry and pathetic Obama Administration).

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

We're fast becoming a nation of takers rather than producers.. and all the while we besmirch the few producers that are left. We've got kids spending half their lives in college getting worthless degrees who when the finally do leave academia, are barely qualified to ask you "do you want fries with that?"

I fear we may be doomed.

 

[Ropey]

The fundamental here is the concept that Americans are responsible for their own lives, deserve the rewards of their successes, and are willing to suffer the penalties of their failures. Obama wants to change that by taking from those who are successful for the purpose of insulating those who have failed, from the consequences of their failures.

It is the key to the old liberal/socialist "I have mine, screw you.", concept of greed. The "You didn't get there on your own, so you owe me some of your reward.", idea that even though he was not one of those who helped you get there, he still deserves part of what you gained. An excuse to rob those who are successful.

What he wants doesn't seem to be producing a lot of fruit. Obama Care and...

In the first Republican term the seeds of softening Obama Care will be sown. If there's a second term then the softening will become a grinding down.

If the Democrats win the next election, then the Republicans either still haven't found a leader or they have shot themselves in the foot...


...again.


Interesting times.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Newt's bs talking points etc ended intelligent civil discourse. Now it's finally turning around slowly. Next year, charlatans and dupes on the run...O-Care greatness kills them...

F+F- total BS (ex: ATF chief in charge of gunwalking said neither administration was told about it.)
Bengazi- BS!
AP- Real cons say they would have done the same thing.
IRS- Pub auditor: No partisanship or WH connection. No Pub org turned down.

Issa and Pub "scandals" are are becoming a total joke except for the alternate Pub universe, which is gettting shaky. LOL

This right here is what is wrong with America. When faced with an indisputable reality (ie these are all MAJOR scandals and even radical left-wing sources are citing them as such), the libtard closes their eyes real right and goes

What is "fundamentally" wrong with "America".......interesting question.

"Fundamentally", we were supposed to be a country founded on little to no government - run BY THE PEOPLE. The TRASH that we send to Washington moves in and becomes Kings and Queens and they answer to NO ONE. They make life-long careers out of "governing" as they set up their little "empires". "Government" has quadrupled 10 times over since its founding and continues to consume ALL it touches - like the proverbial "monster" that it is. The "highest" rate of growth in America today? The Federal Government. The highest priced real estate in America? Inside the Beltway.

"Fundamentally" we, as a nation, have given far too much authority to people that the majority of us wouldn't have dinner with, take home to meet our parents, have even a modicum of respect for, and, frankly, don't like - whether that have a (D) or an (R) behind their names. Our government was never supposed to be this way.

"Fundamentally" over the years we have went from a nation of people that believed in "stand or die" to a nation of "victims". We have went from a nation of "builders" to a nation of "destroyers". We look to "Uncle Sugar" to "take care of us" - where once that would have been a despicable proposition and, whom most of us, would have told to "kiss our ass".

We tolerate the "minority" and bend to their will willingly - whether it is justifiable or not. We willingly give up traditions of the majority to please the few. One slip up in front of the "politically correct" in this country can lead to the end of a career, jail time, and outright banishment ( that is, unless you are on the "correct" side ) Say the wrong thing now, and it's your ass...


Thats how this country has been "changed fundamentally" - and is dying a slow, painful death.

 

[Darkwind]

What's fundamentally wrong with America?

Conservative reactionaryism, rightists fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

And their futile efforts to drag America back to an idealized past that never actually existed to begin with is detrimental to the Nation as a whole.

Couldn't have said it better, especially the part about an idealized past that never actually existed to begin with. Hit the nail on the head. When Bob Dole says that Reagan wouldn't have a chance in today's Republican Party, that should tell these people something, but they laugh it off, mainly because they are living in a fantasy world filled with their own illusions.

So, when do you plan on breaking up the family unit and giving children over to the State for upbringing?

Or are yo against that?