*Turkey Next Shit Hole To Go Up In Puff Of Smoke*

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Islam and those who follow it are unruly people, they will always be barbarians, evil, murderers, full of hate.
2. Goodbye Turkey!
3. You will not be missed.
4. You will follow those other hell hole nations, too numerous to list.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[skye]

It's unbelievable.... the whole region is falling like a house of cards...

 

[hoosier88]

Turkey has already fought off the Russians, the French, the British, Greece @ the breakup & subsequent attempted partition of the Ottoman Empire @ the end of WWI. Kamal Attaturk managed to institutionalize a secular, relatively moderate form of government. He outlasted the Shah of Iran, & managed to retire from government without bringing down the whole structure. Not a bad start.

Why do we think it's falling apart now, after all this time?

 

[Political Junky]

Turkey is full of history. Istanbul is awesome.

 

[Unkotare]

Sorry bout that,


1. Islam and those who follow it are unruly people, they will always be barbarians, evil, murderers, full of hate.
2. Goodbye Turkey!
3. You will not be missed.
4. You will follow those other hell hole nations, too numerous to list.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You know, a lot of Americans trace some or even all of their ancestry back to Ireland. Did you know that?

 

[boedicca]

It's unbelievable.... the whole region is falling like a house of cards...

The impact, however, is not regional. Considering the Islamification of Europe, waves of dissent and violence will escalate, and spill over into North America.

 

[hoosier88]

We've had excellent relations with Turkey for some time now - since the end of WWII, if not before. Turkey has been a staunch member of NATO, we've had basing & landing rights throughout the military Turkish airports, & friendly transit through the Strait of Marmara, I believe it's called. Turkey is also up for membership in the European Union - although that's an on-again, off-again process, as the EU works through its own economic issues & delicate governments.

They trade with Israel, & up to the Israeli military's armed interception of Turkish (?) aid boats in transit to Gaza & the deaths of several Turkish nationals recently, their relationship was relatively warm.

 

[skye]

It's unbelievable.... the whole region is falling like a house of cards...

The impact, however, is not regional. Considering the Islamification of Europe, waves of dissent and violence will escalate, and spill over into North America.

I agree, that's the danger and that is exactly what is happening right now.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,



1. Most of Europe is in serious danger, threat to turn into a like shit hole as Egypt, etc.
2. Why, you may ask?
3. Immigration.
4. They've allowed far to many heads in, and now it will cost each and every European country.
5. America has done the same, and the chickens are very near to come to roost here too, once Europe is set ablaze, that's when it will begin here.
6. This is a planned attack, meant to look like a happy accident.
7. We as a freely elected governing nation of free peoples are but fools.
8. I don't work for the government, but I should.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Unkotare]

I don't work for the government, but I should.

Oh, they probably have plenty of people to clean the bathrooms already.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Turks will crush this thing like a broken egg shell. The Islamacists there are consolidating their power by provoking secular westernists to play their hands too early.

The Turks will be standing long after the US has collapsed from economic and demographic suicide.

 

[alpine]

Turkey has been in a long struggle of westernization. And unfortunately this has been blocked by the cold war policies. Its strategic location made Turkey the boiling pot in 1970-80 period and for some reason Kissinger preferred a green islamist and nationalist movement against communists left factions. And now this is the result.

Turkey is not european nor middle eastern. It is something different. Its westernization has been cut off but its founding fathers did make too big of an impact on people, still managed to keep its nerve endings touching to the civilized world view of the century, unlike all other surrounding countries in the middle east. You see democratic elections and leaders get democratically elected. Even this alone is much more than any other muslim state has to offer at the moment.

But of course, just like any other muslim state, there is a tendency for authoritarian leader figures. But I think this will change in time. What you are seeing in Istanbul and other cities now is; the need for democracy being realized by all the different elements of the society.

You don't see any single faction taking the leadership in these protests. It started with some pacifist environmentalists protesting the unlawful demolishing of a green space. Then police assaulted and beat these people up brutally. And now all the people are on the streets. Most of them don't even care about trees or green space. But they care about one thing in common, fundamental democratic rights of people. And they are out there because they know if they don't defend those rights now, it may be too late tomorrow.

And yes, the person they are opposing to have had 50% vote in elections. He is representing the majority. But protestors are not asking the majority to bow them, they are just asking the majority to elect someone who is not a sick dictator pushing them around, beat them up, threaten them with death and make a mockery of when they are simply excersiing their fundamental democratic rights. That shouldn't be too much to ask for, especially in a country claiming to be democratic, even more democratic than US or Eruope (that's what Tayyip Erdogan claims to be )

And I am hopeful for Turkey. I think it will bear more stability for Turkey, unlike others that have gone through the Arab spring. Turkey is lucky to have some type of institutionalized republican "power to the people" values. This luck will pay off at the end I think. The conservative religious majority will see the value to keep it in place, for stability and more prosperity and will find an alternative to their authoritarian dictator sooner than later.

So I guess we will see all together, if a muslim democracy is a possibility or not. This is the real test now. If they fail, than you can keep on with your hate mongering and declare muslims the barbarian mongols of the century. If they succeed, you should be happy because you will not be worried for your grand kids being have to deal with bunch of pissed off towel heads.

Personally, I wish success for turks...

 

[Katzndogz]

Does no one pay attention to what's happening in Turkey?

There is a government that has a façade of being secular, while it must pander to the majority muslim population. That population has had quite enough of secularism and wants an Islamic theocracy. How long can the government stand against a people who want that government to be very different? The government itself would prefer to be a theocracy but has to keep up the pretense of being secular for the benefit of the west.

Add into the Turkish mix, the Kurds who want independence and the situation becomes extremely volatile like the middle east is.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Does no one pay attention to what's happening in Turkey?

There is a government that has a façade of being secular, while it must pander to the majority muslim population. That population has had quite enough of secularism and wants an Islamic theocracy. How long can the government stand against a people who want that government to be very different? The government itself would prefer to be a theocracy but has to keep up the pretense of being secular for the benefit of the west.

Add into the Turkish mix, the Kurds who want independence and the situation becomes extremely volatile like the middle east is.

The Turkish Army is secular, after the advice of Attaturk, but if they are forced to choose between secular pro-western, tree-hugging, homophilic Turks and Islamacist Turks, the Army will choose the Islamacists.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Time to nuke the place...We don't want this shit spreading.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I hate religious extremism. These bastards want to tell me what to do? Fuck you islam!!!! Kiss my ass.

 

[Meathead]

There are, in fact, two Turkeys. One, geographically and politically western and the other east and deeply conservative and religious. Although I don't expect it, some kind of civil war is no impossible in the future.

 

[ScienceRocks]

There are, in fact, two Turkeys. One, geographically and politically western and the other east and deeply conservative and religious. Although I don't expect it, some kind of civil war is no impossible in the future.

I'll be rooting for the secular one!

 

[georgephillip]

The following was written about four years ago, but some of its premises directly relate to the economic riots currently raging in Turkey:

"For almost thirty years Turkish capitalism has taken the form of neoliberalism. Turkey’s subordination to the world neoliberal order started in the late 1970s and was pursued consistently after the 1980 military coup. The coup reflected Hayek’s contention that a transition to 'free markets' may require a dictatorship.1

"By dissolving political and social opposition, the coup provided the necessary political environment for the shift from the import substitution industrialization that framed economic policy since the 1960s to an export-oriented economics..."

"All segments of the labor movement that had made political gains in the preceding decade were banned from politics and the majority of prominent activists were imprisoned.

The Neoliberal Restructuring of Turkey?s Social Security System :: Monthly Review

 

[RoadVirus]

It's unbelievable.... the whole region is falling like a house of cards...

It was inevitible that this would happen in the Middle East and North Africa. All that was needed was the right amount of gasoline and a match.