What's fundamentally wrong with America?

[Two Thumbs]

Well?

Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

What's fundamentally wrong with America?

to be honest, it the person who first uttered the words "fundamentally change America"

therein lies the problem.., a bonafied liar !!

should have vote him out then

voting is fundamental, not who is Pres for 4 years

 

[ScienceRocks]

What's fundamentally wrong with America?

Conservative reactionaryism, rightists fearful of change, diversity, and dissent.

And their futile efforts to drag America back to an idealized past that never actually existed to begin with is detrimental to the Nation as a whole.

Couldn't have said it better, especially the part about an idealized past that never actually existed to begin with. Hit the nail on the head. When Bob Dole says that Reagan wouldn't have a chance in today's Republican Party, that should tell these people something, but they laugh it off, mainly because they are living in a fantasy world filled with their own illusions.

Maybe the extreme violence within our inner-cities might justify some of that?

 

[ScienceRocks]

What's wrong with America?
1. We have two extreme parties...A. The republicans want to go over to pure capitalism and don't want to invest into the country in order to compete. B. The democrats want to destroy the private sector that is very important and rely on the failed central planning model of the government. Both are idiocy!!!
2. Our moral core has rotten and turn to shit since integration. 72% of black men don't give a shit about their children so their children go on to be thugs within our inner-cities. Trayvon is a good case study of this shit as he lived his life beating people up and being a thug. His community will always come to his defense as backing up their brothers no matter what no matter how wrong is all that matter. Idiots! This means that the businesses run away or go over sea's!!! This goes for a lot of whites too.
3. We can't compete with the rest of the world as our business taxes(and taxes in general) are quite high. Good luck competing on a global field with this.
4. Our government spends on idiocy like bail outs and wars. Should of spent more into infrastructure and science. This goes back to 1. quite a bit as the right in this country wants many private businesses to run even the police department. 2. The left wants to go to a centralized planning system that is as much a pile of shit as the first.

We need a moderate that is in favor of business and science to be elected in 2016. How about a scientist that is a moderate?

 

[editec]

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

The satellite, cellular and internet technology that makes profits possible across a variety of sectors was initially developed under the Cold War Pentagon and NASA budgets, at places like MIT and Stanford. If this is too abstract for you, imagine the technology required to put a man on the moon or a space rover on mars. This technology was developed by the state sector and handed to the private sector so they could develop it commercially and profit from it. (Glenn Beck doesn't mention stuff like this, but the real surprise is that he has listeners who don't notice. The Republican Party, which was captured by concentrated wealth, took a generation of well-meaning but under-educated conservative Americans and basically fucking lied to them. -and they also agitated them using the culture war so that these well meaning patriots would mistrust any liberal who tried to show them where (say) satellite technology came from (and who profits from it). That is, John Galt is no longer persecuted by government, like he was in the 30s and 40s, rather, he has turned government into his private subsidy and bailout machine. But, see, John Galt ain't stupid because he pays into the Republican message machine to lie about the fact that he not only profits from government, but owns it. Until we as a nation find a way to rescue conservative voters from this massive cloud of bullshit, we will continue to misread the fundamental problems facing America)

But it doesn't stop there. Government has provided more to the private sector than most people will ever realize. Indeed, research the relationship between government, Boeing and commercial aviation. Research the commercial benefits of the interstate system, or the fact that the Pentagon stabilizes global supply chains so that raw material, products, and capital can flow around the globe more efficiently.

When you're at it, research how dependent the southwest is on the Hoover Dam ... or the energy and water that FDR brought to parts of the rural south.

Point is that much of our economy depends on a partnership between government and the private sector. This is why all large corporations open large lobbying offices in Washington DC, so they can gain access to the public's considerable financial resources.

In the fifties and sixties, great Conservative centrists like Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon understood government's role in feeding technology and infrastructure to the private sector.

Reagan also understood government's role as part of the solution, but he played a very devious game. He unleashed a movement which would seek out the dumbest Americans in order to convince them that government did nothing to help profit. He did this to put downward pressure on the taxes of his wealthy and corporate donors. He wanted corporations to continue to enjoy government's fruits, but he didn't want them to have to pay for it. This is what lead to an endless cycle of growing and crippling deficits.

30 years of anti-government propaganda has destroyed government's ability to effectively support technological development, education and industrial infrastructure - or provide needed oversight in the financial sector. As a result, we have crumbling schools and bridges punctuated by terminal bailouts of the corporate crooks who own both parties. Oh, and China is eating our lunch as the US economy is being hollowed out by special interest monopolies in health care and energy. Rather than innovating and lowering prices, we have seen the opposite. Corporations now spend more on election funding & lobbying rather than R&D. Senators don't serve the common man; rather, they are just biding their time until them can move on to lucrative lobbying career. This is why Newt Gingrich was hired by Fannie/Freddie . . . he gave them access to lawmakers.

Ronald Reagan took the government which defeated the Nazis, put a man on the moon, and built the world's greatest infrastructure ... and he convinced morons that this same government couldn't run a laundromat (but it could rebuild the Arab world in our image). Again, well meaning conservative voters didn't see the contradiction, that is, they can't address the problem because they are kept in such a fog. "Get your government hands off my medicare"

Reagan made government so weak and corrupt that it was no match for the financial influence of the corporations which now own it.

What's wrong with the USA you say? The Republicans have raised a generation of voters to believe that government plays no role in economic growth.This great nation was built by a partnership between government and the private sector. The Republicans destroyed one half of that necessary partnership. The monopolies are safely in place and the game is over.

I note personally, that this nation really started going down the shitter after Nov 22, 1963.

I SUSPECT we had a coup de etat on that day, one that solidified the power of a cabal that has been playing this nation ever since. (And one that possibly existed long before WWII,, also)

In my more colorfuily paranoic moments, I SUSPECT that NIXXON was ALSO removed by this cabal.

Remember Ike's farewell speech?

He was right, and I think, folks, he was SHOCKED by it, too.

I do not think we live in the America that most of us (left or right con or lib) believe we live in.

As to who is in this cabal?

Well, let's just say I do NOT think its a partisan game. I do not think it is purely an AMERICAN game, either.

NATIONAL partisans games are purely something for you chumps to gnaw on while the real business of running the world is happening behind the scenes.

No of coursae I cannot prove this.

But this narrative does explain much about how (among other things) this nation has gone for the world's largest creditor to the world's largest debtor nation in the last 50 years.

 

[DarkLion]

Well?

Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

Immature people. They're the ones who vote. The materialistic people who treat elections like an episode of American Idol, who are so certain they are right they won't hear anything contrary.....those people.

That is what is wrong with America. It is a nation of adult children

 

[Old Rocks]

Well?

Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

The stigma of being on the government dole has changed with this guy. Now people are proud they dont have to work.

And you are full of shit. The near Second Great Republican Depression put a great many people out of work, and there are still too few jobs for the number of people available. You put an add in the paper for a good job that does not require specialized skills, and there are 500 to 1000 applications. That is not indictutive of people not wanting to work.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well?

Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

What's fundamentally wrong with America?

to be honest, it the person who first uttered the words "fundamentally change America"

therein lies the problem.., a bonafied liar !!

should have vote him out then

voting is fundamental, not who is Pres for 4 years

Dingleberry, President Obama is President untill 20Jan17. By the Constitution, you cannot vote him out.

 

[P@triot]

Read "Greedy Bastards" by Dylan Ratigan.

The only "Greedy Bastads" are the libtards like you. There is nothing "greedy" about hard work and long hours. Whatever you reap from that is well deserved.

It's you libtards who demand free food, free housing, free healthcare, free transportation, free education, etc. that are the "greedy (lazy) bastards".

 

[P@triot]

to be honest, it the person who first uttered the words "fundamentally change America"

therein lies the problem.., a bonafied liar !!

should have vote him out then

voting is fundamental, not who is Pres for 4 years

Dingleberry, President Obama is President untill 20Jan17. By the Constitution, you cannot vote him out.

Hey dumb-ass, he said "should have"... God Almighty are libtards retarded!

 

[Mac1958]

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Our culture is in rapid decay.

Nothing more fundamental than that.

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[mudwhistle]

The fundamental of being able to dream has been changed.

Now, forget dreaming of a better future.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- Very simple, it's the new bs GOP since Reagan, pandering totally to the greedy idiot mega rich, voodoo has ruined the non rich and the country, and just as bad or worse, the greedy idiot megarich support a disgraceful new, gigantic bs propaganda machine never seen before in the USA., producing functional idiots/haters so well represented on this forum.

See my sig pp 1 for what they're never told, pp 2-3 for the idiocy they believe. Get nothing but hate, bs gloom and doom 24/7.

Now finally the madness is ending-thanks for 9/11, the stupidest wars ever, ANOTHER Pub Great World Depression, and 5 years of mindless obstruction and fear mongering.

Sorry about the truth being so repetitive, dupes, in comparison to your ever changing, no fact check ever infotainment disgrace...

 

[P@triot]

The satellite, cellular and internet technology that makes profits possible across a variety of sectors was initially developed under the Cold War Pentagon and NASA budgets, at places like MIT and Stanford.

And yet you libtards scream day and night about defunding defense so that you parasites can receive more free food, free housing, free healthcare, free transportation, and free education.

If this is too abstract for you, imagine the technology required to put a man on the moon or a space rover on mars. This technology was developed by the state sector and handed to the private sector so they could develop it commercially and profit from it. (Glenn Beck doesn't mention stuff like this)

And you don't mention the trillions upon trillions of waste, fraud, and abuse that the federal government spent while inefficiently developing these technologies.

but the real surprise is that he has listeners who don't notice. The Republican Party, which was captured by concentrated wealth, took a generation of well-meaning but under-educated conservative Americans and basically fucking lied to them.

What isn't a surprise is how the Dumbocrat Party was completely hijacked by ill-intending socialists/marxists/communists who took a bunch of completely uneducated Americans and completely lied to them (and continue to do so to this day).

That is, John Galt is no longer persecuted by government, like he was in the 30s and 40s, rather, he has turned government into his private subsidy and bailout machine. But, see, John Galt ain't stupid because he pays into the Republican message machine to lie about the fact that he not only profits from government, but owns it. Until we as a nation find a way to rescue conservative voters from this massive cloud of bullshit, we will continue to misread the fundamental problems facing America)

You libtards are the fucking assholes who have (and I quote) "turned government into his private subsidy and bailout machine"!!!

It's conservatives who are trying to get government the fuck OUT of our private corporations, our private affairs, and our private lives. And it's you fucking libtard parasites who keep demanding more government, then cry about the results and complain about "John Galt's personal subsidy machine". God Almighty are you the poster child for the ignorant, uninformed brainwashed libtard.

But it doesn't stop there. Government has provided more to the private sector than most people will ever realize.

Of course, because they have an annual net income of $4 trillion per year by robbing the working American blind. Do you know of any corporation which has $4 trillion at it's fingertips for R&D?!? Again, glaring evidence of how fucking stupid you are. You've been spoon-fed the official Dumbocrat playbook and you swallowed it down whole without chewing.

Indeed, research the relationship between government

Relationships that should not exist because governments role is not to build relationships with the private sector. Their role is clearly defined in the U.S. Constitution if you lazy libtards would ever take the time to read it.

Point is that much of our economy depends on a partnership between government and the private sector. This is why all large corporations open large lobbying offices in Washington DC, so they can gain access to the public's considerable financial resources.

No, it's not you ignorant asshole. They have lobbyists in an attempt to protect themselves from parasites like you. Communists who believe that they are entitled to everything the private business earns.

Furthermore, thank you for illustrating what a buffoon you are with your comment about the (and I quote again) "public's considerable financial resources". Why the fuck does our federal government have "considerable financial resources"?!? They were never intended to. You just admitted that we are over taxing and crushing the individual and the private sector (something you want as a communist who wants centralized government to control everything).

Reagan also understood government's role as part of the solution, but he played a very devious game. He unleashed a movement which would seek out the dumbest Americans in order to convince them that government did nothing to help profit. He did this to put downward pressure on the taxes of his wealthy and corporate donors. He wanted corporations to continue to enjoy government's fruits, but he didn't want them to have to pay for it. This is what lead to an endless cycle of growing and crippling deficits.

No stupid - it's the Dumbocrats communist programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, etc.) which have "lead to an endless cycle of growing and crippling deficits". Our defense budget (a Constitutional responsibility of the federal government) is $500+ billion per year. We spend over $1 trillion per year on your socialist programs.

Furthermore, when those socialist bullshit programs were implemented, we had 38 workers for every 1 person on those programs. Today, thanks to the growing parasite class assholes like you have created, we have 16 workers for every 1 person on those programs. That is why we have the crippling debt moron.

30 years of anti-government propaganda has destroyed government's ability

Thank God! The communist libtard had caused the federal government to overreach and illegally expand their powers for nearly 100 years. You're just pissed off that the American people finally woke up and started to return government to it's rightful place (ie as the obedient bitch of the American people - instead of the masters of the American people that you wish it to be).

Ronald Reagan took the government which defeated the Nazis, put a man on the moon, and built the world's greatest infrastructure ... and he convinced morons that this same government couldn't run a laundromat

He didn't convince them of shit - the American people saw for themselves that the federal government couldn't run a laundromat without spending $1 trillion per year on the laundromat and creating over 400 new regulations for it - all of which drive up costs even further and create greater inefficiencies.

Reagan made government so weak and corrupt that it was no match for the financial influence of the corporations which now own it.

And that is why Reagan is one of the two greatest presidents in U.S. history. Better corporate corruption is nothing compared to the government corruption we have to deal with from Dumbocrats - like the Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS, and AP scandals.

What's wrong with the USA you say? The Republicans have raised a generation of voters to believe that government plays no role in economic growth.This great nation was built by a partnership between government and the private sector. The Republicans destroyed one half of that necessary partnership. The monopolies are safely in place and the game is over.

There was no "partnership" in the 1700's when the American people experience real, actual freedom. There was no "partnership" in the 1800's when America expanded and experienced real growth. It wasn't until the 1900's - when Karl Marx philosophy made it's way over here - that libtards started crying "we can't do it without government" (even though we had been doing it for 130 years).

The fact is, you're just another communist libtard parasite who wants government controlling everything so that you can steal other's piece of the pie. You're entire ignorant rant lacked one single fact.

Come back and talk to us when you've read the reports on government waste, fraud, abuse and are actually informed for once.

 

[francoHFW]

Scandals my butt, superdupe lol...

 

[P@triot]

What's wrong with America?
1. We have two extreme parties...A. The republicans want to go over to pure capitalism and don't want to invest into the country in order to compete. B. The democrats want to destroy the private sector that is very important and rely on the failed central planning model of the government. Both are idiocy!!!
2. Our moral core has rotten and turn to shit since integration. 72% of black men don't give a shit about their children so their children go on to be thugs within our inner-cities. Trayvon is a good case study of this shit as he lived his life beating people up and being a thug. His community will always come to his defense as backing up their brothers no matter what no matter how wrong is all that matter. Idiots! This means that the businesses run away or go over sea's!!! This goes for a lot of whites too.
3. We can't compete with the rest of the world as our business taxes(and taxes in general) are quite high. Good luck competing on a global field with this.
4. Our government spends on idiocy like bail outs and wars. Should of spent more into infrastructure and science. This goes back to 1. quite a bit as the right in this country wants many private businesses to run even the police department. 2. The left wants to go to a centralized planning system that is as much a pile of shit as the first.

We need a moderate that is in favor of business and science to be elected in 2016. How about a scientist that is a moderate?

Bullshit Matt - with the exception of Reagan, we've had nothing but "moderates" and all that has gotten us is $16 trillion in debt.

We need to return to Constitutional government. You know the more than $1 trillion per year we spend on unconstitutional socialist programs like welfare and Medicaid? Just imagine the "infrastructure" you so crave if that money was put into where it should be?

Just imagine what our roads would look like if we made the welfare recipients actually get up off their asses and fix those roads as part of their handout?

But because of moderates, we don't do that. What we need are some hardline, hard core conservatives who refuse to budge from the Constitution even an inch. We've had moderates who allowed this nation to be pushed around by hard core radicals like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid for far too long now.

 

[FJO]

is English your second language?

again another jack ass who thinks spelling matters.... so can you debate me or just masterbate?

you can't argue well or spell well? you poor baby

Hey, language professor!

Have you forgotten to use upper case letters to start a sentence?

 

[P@triot]

Well?

Obama promised to change us fundamentally, and liberals cheered.

So please tell me what's wrong, why it needs to be changed and why it's been fundamental.

The stigma of being on the government dole has changed with this guy. Now people are proud they dont have to work.

And you are full of shit. The near Second Great Republican Depression put a great many people out of work, and there are still too few jobs for the number of people available. You put an add in the paper for a good job that does not require specialized skills, and there are 500 to 1000 applications. That is not indictutive of people not wanting to work.

Bullshit you uninformed buffoon. There are literally millions of jobs posted on sites such as Monster.com, Careerbuliders, etc. and there have been since the day Bush left office. It's a fact.

Bear is 100% accurate - the stigma of being on the government dole has changed with this guy, now people are proud they dont have to work.

 

[P@triot]

Scandals my butt, superdupe lol...

'Ole Frankie thinks if he just closes his eyes and wishes something were true, it is (typical libtard communist). The list just keeps growing stupid...

• Fast & Furious
  
  
• Benghazi
  
  
• IRS
  
  
• AP

 

[rightwinger]

Fundamentally wrong?

America has gotten just plain mean. Politics has evolved into dog fights over every single issue big and small. There is no middle ground in America, no concession, no compromise, no "walk a mile in the other guys shoes"

The internet and the media has fueled it. They instantly and viciously attack anyone who tries to compromise. A "win/win" solution is a loss because it allows the other guy to win also

 

[francoHFW]

Newt's bs talking points etc ended intelligent civil discourse. Now it's finally turning around slowly. Next year, charlatans and dupes on the run...O-Care greatness kills them...

F+F- total BS (ex: ATF chief in charge of gunwalking said neither administration was told about it.)
Bengazi- BS!
AP- Real cons say they would have done the same thing.
IRS- Pub auditor: No partisanship or WH connection. No Pub org turned down.

Issa and Pub "scandals" are are becoming a total joke except for the alternate Pub universe, which is gettting shaky. LOL