The Democratic party is dead, Liberals are living in denial as well as the media

[JRK]

The physical cliff BHO created with the liberals in congress in 12 weeks after BHO inauguration.
In 1979 the Democratic party threw out Jimmy Carter, a man twice the president BHO will ever be
It matters not how you present the facts to the liberals, there in 100% denial. They defend the liberals running this country for what?

Blaming the GOP who has had the House for 2 years of the last 6, the white house 2 of the last 6 and the senate zero of the last 6 is a joke, no it is a travesty
My issue with all of this is simple, why lie about it?

We are in a place where there is more wanting free than paying
We are in a place in which we went form 5% UE to this who knows what real UE (way above 8%, probably closer to 20% with so many giving up)

Do you liberals really think this is going to keep going on?
The Oil and gas sector is a boom in OK. TX.ND, SD, and LA where all the jobs are being created

take those states away and damn what a mess his ob numbers would be

Take away NY city, Philadelphia, LA and SF and I bet he loses the popular vote by millions
I will look and see what I can find

The main stream media is dead, there just a mouth piece for the Admin

It make no sense to me as to why any one would support this mess and as to why the media ignores it and who really is to blame


5% UE
Minimal deficts with some surplus and everyone being taken care of from 1946 until 2008 was not good enough for you people?
what the hell are you people looking for?
This is better?
and you do not care your being lied too?

 

[Greenbeard]

 

[Valox]

The Democratic Party is a center-right party and only retains power since the GOP is bat shit crazy.

Plus, it is FISCAL cliff, not the physical cliff. It was the GOP who put us here.

 

[Polk]

1. The fiscal (not physical) cliff is the creation of Republicans, who passed a series of tax cuts with an expiration date attached and demanding large cuts in discretionary spending.
2. Unemployment was 7.6% when Obama took office, not 5%. Peaking late in his first year in office, it has fallen by a little over 2% since then.
3. While the oil and gas sector is booming (which is odd according to you guys, because Obama is supposedly strangling those industries), they're not creating that many jobs.

 

[skipper]

The Democratic party is dead, Liberals are living in denial as well as the media

When was the election. A month ago? You must live in an alternate reality.

 

[koshergrl]

They aren't democrats anymore. They're straight up marxists.

 

[JRK]

The Democratic Party is a center-right party and only retains power since the GOP is bat shit crazy.

Plus, it is FISCAL cliff, not the physical cliff. It was the GOP who put us here.

Really?
lets look at the facts
In 12 wekks BHO and the dems in congress added about 500 billion to the budget baseline in 2012
from about 3 trillion to 3.5
our revenues went from 2.7 in 2007 to 2.1 in 2009
huge job loss while BHO was president

That is 1.2 trillion in defict added 100% by the dems and BHO as president, which I will be fair and say the ob loss in 2009 was some GWB. not 2010, 2011
AND not the 163 billion in defict we had in 2007, the last real GOP budget
2009 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_federal_budge

these are called links, so before you ignore the facts again, do your DD

Correcting the media on Obama’s spending record… again « Hot Air

 

[OKTexas]

The Democratic Party is a center-right party and only retains power since the GOP is bat shit crazy.

Plus, it is FISCAL cliff, not the physical cliff. It was the GOP who put us here.

You just, more than likely unknowingly, proved a point of the OP. The commies with the aid of the media are winning the marketing battle. It was the white house that came up with the idea of sequestration not the republicans. They forgot the first rule of dealing with Maobama, if his lips are moving he's more than likely lying his ass off. Prime example, he campaigned on raising 80 billion in revenue, after the election he's now demanding 165 billion, can you say more than double? Before the election he agreed to $2.50 in cuts for every dollar in new revenue, now he wants $4.25 in new revenue for every dollar of cuts, plus he wants another 150 billion in new stimulus. So just continue your march in zombie land listening to your dear leader, with any luck there will be enough pieces to put the country back together when he's done.

 

[S.J.]

They haven't been Democrats since the first half of the 20th century but running as Communists might create a problem for their image.

 

[JRK]

1. The fiscal (not physical) cliff is the creation of Republicans, who passed a series of tax cuts with an expiration date attached and demanding large cuts in discretionary spending.
2. Unemployment was 7.6% when Obama took office, not 5%. Peaking late in his first year in office, it has fallen by a little over 2% since then.
3. While the oil and gas sector is booming (which is odd according to you guys, because Obama is supposedly strangling those industries), they're not creating that many jobs.

oil and gas is boomed on private land, has nothing to do with BHO
He has on public lands
President Obama is campaigning as a champion of the oil and gas boom he's had nothing to do with, and even as his regulators try to stifle it. The latest example is the Interior Department's little-noticed August decision to close off from drilling nearly half of the 23.5 million acre National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska.
The area is called the National Petroleum Reserve because in 1976 Congress designated it as a strategic oil and natural gas stockpile to meet the "energy needs of the nation." Alaska favors exploration in nearly the entire reserve. The feds had been reviewing four potential development plans, and the state of Alaska had strongly objected to the most restrictive of the four. Sure enough, that was the plan Interior chose.
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar says his plan "will help the industry bring energy safely to market from this remote location, while also protecting wildlife and subsistence rights of Alaska Natives." He added that the proposal will expand "safe and responsible oil and gas development, and builds on our efforts to help companies develop the infrastructure that's needed to bring supplies online."
The problem is almost no one in the energy industry and few in Alaska agree with him. In an August 22 letter to Mr. Salazar, the entire Alaska delegation in Congress—Senators Mark Begich and Lisa Murkowski and Representative Don Young—call it "the largest wholesale land withdrawal and blocking of access to an energy resource by the federal government in decades." This decision, they add, "will cause serious harm to the economy and energy security of the United States, as well as to the state of Alaska." Mr. Begich is a Democrat.



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UE rates are a not true as so many have left the work force. I stated in my original post GWB owns as much of the job loss in 09 as BHO (if any, it is my conclusion the govt has little to do with the free market crash of 2008, BHO just used it to create this mess to get what he asking for now)

this is what the tax cuts did in 2007 to our revenues
‹ 20062008 ›
Submitted by George W. Bush
Submitted to 109th Congress
Total revenue $2.57 trillion
Total expenditures $2.73 trillion
Deficit $161 billion
Debt $8.95 trillion
Website http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=10014 Congressional Budget Office

what does that have to do with the lost revenue today as well as adding the 4-500 billion of spending BHO has added?
nothing

take 07
with inflation
we are still running a 1-300 billlion dollar deficit (We won Iraq sense)
with 5% UE
BTW is what GWB avg for 8 years as well as the last 65
Obama is in a league by his self

 

[Polk]

The Democratic Party is a center-right party and only retains power since the GOP is bat shit crazy.

Plus, it is FISCAL cliff, not the physical cliff. It was the GOP who put us here.

You just, more than likely unknowingly, proved a point of the OP. The commies with the aid of the media are winning the marketing battle. It was the white house that came up with the idea of sequestration not the republicans. They forgot the first rule of dealing with Maobama, if his lips are moving he's more than likely lying his ass off. Prime example, he campaigned on raising 80 billion in revenue, after the election he's now demanding 165 billion, can you say more than double? Before the election he agreed to $2.50 in cuts for every dollar in new revenue, now he wants $4.25 in new revenue for every dollar of cuts, plus he wants another 150 billion in new stimulus. So just continue your march in zombie land listening to your dear leader, with any luck there will be enough pieces to put the country back together when he's done.

How did the White House create sequestration when it was the Republicans who demanded cuts for raising the debt ceiling?

 

[Valox]

First off, lets address the facts. Republicans only care about deficits when they are out of power.

Second, spending has been substantially curbed under Obama. Spending is not a problem, but our tax receipts are; primarily caused by the recession and the Bush tax cuts.

While you post a Hot Air article which is pure Republican ideological BS, I will post actual data.

Here is government spending on goods and services.

Here is government total expenditure.

Government tax receipts.

Here is what is driving our deficits.

Critics Still Wrong on What

Yes, talk about those facts. The fact that spending has slowed down under Obama more substantially than any other modern day President, including Reagan. We do not have a spending problem, but a tax receipt problem cause by poor economic growth, primarily due to the lack of proper spending.

 

[Valox]

The Democratic Party is a center-right party and only retains power since the GOP is bat shit crazy.

Plus, it is FISCAL cliff, not the physical cliff. It was the GOP who put us here.

You just, more than likely unknowingly, proved a point of the OP. The commies with the aid of the media are winning the marketing battle. It was the white house that came up with the idea of sequestration not the republicans. They forgot the first rule of dealing with Maobama, if his lips are moving he's more than likely lying his ass off. Prime example, he campaigned on raising 80 billion in revenue, after the election he's now demanding 165 billion, can you say more than double? Before the election he agreed to $2.50 in cuts for every dollar in new revenue, now he wants $4.25 in new revenue for every dollar of cuts, plus he wants another 150 billion in new stimulus. So just continue your march in zombie land listening to your dear leader, with any luck there will be enough pieces to put the country back together when he's done.

I would like to see a source for this. Plus, I didn't prove the OP and still hold my ground - Democrats are a center-right party, not liberal.

You do realize that I voted for Gary Johnson, not Obama. Why you keep on insisting that he is my dear leader is bizarre.

 

[JRK]

The Democratic party is dead, Liberals are living in denial as well as the media

When was the election. A month ago? You must live in an alternate reality.

Skipper what does BHO winning the election have to do with the Dem party being alive?
you think he is a "democrat"
No other Dem I know of has lied as bad as he has nor have they been so radical until GWB won in 2000
they lost there minds and allowed the fringe, Marxist to take over with blind hate

Our president is a Marxist
100% as is Reid and Pelosi
class war fare
repeating the same lie until it becomes the truth in your mind
it is classic Marxist revolution tactics

 

[koshergrl]

They haven't been Democrats since the first half of the 20th century but running as Communists might create a problem for their image.

Here's the funny thing..they claim that maistream republicans are "extremist" and all Christians who are pro-life are "fundies"...but when you point out the fact that progressives in the 30s lent credibility and funding to both Communist fascist regimes, and the Nazi regime, they threaten you with prosecution for *slander*.

True story. Everything old is new again. We're headed for a holocaust the likes of which has never been seen before, and which will signify the end of the world as we know it.

 

[Valox]

They haven't been Democrats since the first half of the 20th century but running as Communists might create a problem for their image.

The last liberal President was LBJ and he was a lying ass warmongering. Since then, US politicians have moved to the right. Heck, Obama is more to the right than Nixon and Eisenhower would be considered a commie among today's teabaggers.

This idea that we have moved to the left is pure and utter BS. We have only moved to the right.

 

[JRK]

First off, lets address the facts. Republicans only care about deficits when they are out of power.

Second, spending has been substantially curbed under Obama. Spending is not a problem, but our tax receipts are; primarily caused by the recession and the Bush tax cuts.

While you post a Hot Air article which is pure Republican ideological BS, I will post actual data.

Here is government spending on goods and services.

Here is government total expenditure.

Government tax receipts.

Here is what is driving our deficits.

Critics Still Wrong on What

Yes, talk about those facts. The fact that spending has slowed down under Obama more substantially than any other modern day President, including Reagan. We do not have a spending problem, but a tax receipt problem cause by poor economic growth, primarily due to the lack of proper spending.

That is because the failed stimulus
the last 50% of tarp
and the omnibus are being held under GWB last budget
It is a lie and proves my point better than I can

First, Nutting writes, “In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion.” This is inaccurate for two reasons: first, as Nutting notes in a separate chart, Obama was responsible for $140 billion in stimulus spending in 2009. Therefore, insinuating that the 2009 deficit was garnered entirely under President Bush’s watch is misleading.

Second, and related, Nutting fails to place blame for a number of other spending items President Obama signed into law on the President, particularly those from the $410 billion H.R. 1105, the Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009. This Act, signed into law by President Obama on March 11, 2009, included the following:

Five billion dollars worth of earmarks added by Members of Congress.
A funding increase of $8.5 billion in the Labor-HHS-Education portion of the law, excluding emergency appropriations.
A $31 billion increase in nine bills funding various federal agencies over FY 2008, as totaled by the U.S. Conference of Mayor.
All told, as noted by the Canada Free Press, the omnibus increased total spending in the relevant departments by 8% over the prior year. And while $31 billion is not a large amount of money compared to the federal budget in 2009 (it was less than one percent of spending in that year), it was 22% of the $140 billion in deficit spending Nutting credits to Obama. Nutting should still have put the blame for those increases on Obama’s shoulders – as he eventually, and rightly, did with stimulus spending.

and let us not forget the last 50% of tarp GWB never spent, BHO got it and used most of it
TARP Vote: Obama Wins, Senate Effectively Approves $350 Billion
Six Republicans joined with 45 Democrats and one Joe Lieberman to defeat a resolution that would have blocked the release of $350 billion in financial-industry bailout funds Thursday. The Senate action -- or lack of it -- paves the way for the dispersal of the money regardless of any action taken by the House of Representatives.

The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is structured so that the president has access to the money unless Congress actively prevents its release. Only 42 senators -- seven Democrats, 34 Republicans and one Bernie Sanders -- voted to block the money.

In practical terms, Obama only needed enough votes to sustain a veto of the resolution, which he had promised when he met with Democrats on Tuesday. The vote today frees Obama of the politically costly task of vetoing a disapproval resolution, allowing him to spend that political capital elsewhere.

Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat, voted
TARP Vote: Obama Wins, Senate Effectively Approves $350 Billion

ALL of these monies going against GWB
it is 100% a lie
100% a the very lie of 3 I know re elected Obama
GM and the job creation being the other 2

 

[koshergrl]

You're a liar, valox.

 

[Amelia]

The Democratic Party is a center-right party and only retains power since the GOP is bat shit crazy.

Plus, it is FISCAL cliff, not the physical cliff. It was the GOP who put us here.

You just, more than likely unknowingly, proved a point of the OP. The commies with the aid of the media are winning the marketing battle. It was the white house that came up with the idea of sequestration not the republicans. They forgot the first rule of dealing with Maobama, if his lips are moving he's more than likely lying his ass off. Prime example, he campaigned on raising 80 billion in revenue, after the election he's now demanding 165 billion, can you say more than double? Before the election he agreed to $2.50 in cuts for every dollar in new revenue, now he wants $4.25 in new revenue for every dollar of cuts, plus he wants another 150 billion in new stimulus. So just continue your march in zombie land listening to your dear leader, with any luck there will be enough pieces to put the country back together when he's done.

How did the White House create sequestration when it was the Republicans who demanded cuts for raising the debt ceiling?

Is that a trick question? Why are you changing the verb in OKTexas' statement? OKTexas said, "It was the white house that came up with the idea of sequestration ...." Are you implying that the White House did not, or are you setting us up for some clever twist with your change of wording?

 

[Realists]

Here is how I see it all. The Democrats want to floor the car down the road into oncomming traffic and have a head-on collision with their foot on the floorboard. The Republicans are saying "Oh, well, we will only do 60 into that head-on collision..." Time and time again they have both failed to see the big picture. Yes, I do agree that the liberal policies of invasive government in the business world has dissolved the idea of free markets that grew this nation's economy into the most powerful in the world in a historically short amount of time. Lest we forget, though, that the first stimulus bill was proposed by a Republican White House... The term "too big to fail" was coined, completely destroying any notion of free market this nation had left. The only way to save it is to get back to the basic principles our founding fathers built this nation upon. They all feared exactly what is happening today. I don't have them readily available at this time but I will find several chilling quotes from the likes of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison that almost seem like they were gazing into a crystal ball and focusing on this exact time we are in. The bottom line is, it has gotten bad, both parties are responsible for the failure, and both parties need to be responsible for the reform. If they won't comply, then We The People need to reform Washington...