student escorted out of class for not saying the pledge

[SFC Ollie]

People have freedom of speech , they can talk about their religion all they want. You nor I have to listen, And I have closed my door in the face of many who have done that. But to force the military from helping or supporting the BSA because the word God is in their pledge, and to demand that a cross in the middle of the desert be removed because it offends one person is all BS.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

Supreme Court Hears Mojave Cross Case - ABC News

The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

The case is the latest in a recent flurry of challenges to religious symbols placed on public property.

The cross was constructed more than 70 years ago by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

,,,

 

[SFC Ollie]

1) No, they work for freedom FROM religion.
2) Depends on what people see in the flag.

Freedom from religion is not one of our rightss in the constitution.

Maybe this should be a separate thread; What I see in the flag is a symbol of the freedoms that Americans have fought, bled, and died for for over 200 years. Of course i do not expect others to agree with that.

American soldiers faught and died so that young children wouldn't be dragged out of classrooms by police for not saying a damn pledge like this is stalinist russia or something.

I'm seriously getting tired of you old "tea bagging" patriots and your bullshit.

You call Obama a "communist" and "socialist", when it's you old ass farts that live off our SOCIALIST tax dollars through medicare and social security and whine whenever the Hell you don't get your way. Then you want to make this nation look like SOCIALIST CHINA and have kids dragged out of classrooms because they don't recite, in unison, some pledge. Really? I was right there saying kids shouldn't be singing songs in class to Mr. Obama and that it looked creepy. Just as they shouldn't be singing songs to Obama, kids shouldn't be forced to recite indoctrinating pledges.

Playing the national anthem at sports events is quite enough. Respect of the constitution and patriotism is something to be taught in the home and not forced on people in the school system. Just like religious values and bullshit "tolerance of homosexuals" values, it cuts BOTH WAYS. Don't force your values and beliefs on other's children and they won't force them on yours.

Fuck you asshole

 

[SFC Ollie]

People have freedom of speech , they can talk about their religion all they want. You nor I have to listen, And I have closed my door in the face of many who have done that. But to force the military from helping or supporting the BSA because the word God is in their pledge, and to demand that a cross in the middle of the desert be removed because it offends one person is all BS.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

The one that God himself built (with tax payer dollars I'm sure... lazy socialist bastard) to save the wicked from their sins.

They all hate the ACLU until the ACLU defends they're own bullshit in court.

Shut the fuck up while adults talk

 

[CMike]

Obviously the little twit isn't happy about living in America.

Therefore, there are a lot of Obama, hate america type schools, where the little brat would be more comfortable.

No one is forcing the twit to stay here.

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[Anguille]

People have freedom of speech , they can talk about their religion all they want. You nor I have to listen, And I have closed my door in the face of many who have done that. But to force the military from helping or supporting the BSA because the word God is in their pledge, and to demand that a cross in the middle of the desert be removed because it offends one person is all BS.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

Supreme Court Hears Mojave Cross Case - ABC News

The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

The case is the latest in a recent flurry of challenges to religious symbols placed on public property.

The cross was constructed more than 70 years ago by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

,,,

In all fairness, do you think a cross is the appropriate monument to erect to fallen soldiers? Especially considering that many of those fallen soldiers where not Christian? Or was the intention to honor only Christian soldiers and to exclude all other fallen soldiers?

 

[bodecea]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.

you hate them because people aren't forced to do something daily in a free country???

I seldom use the word hate. I can't stand them because they always seem to work against freedom of religion, and they work against the protection of the flag.

Feel free to double check any of those cases listed:

Midtopia: The ACLU and religious liberty

Oh, and if someone can quote this...I'm supposedly on "ignore". But he seems to have a habit of ignoring reality anyways.

 

[CMike]

1) No, they work for freedom FROM religion.
2) Depends on what people see in the flag.

Freedom from religion is not one of our rightss in the constitution.

Maybe this should be a separate thread; What I see in the flag is a symbol of the freedoms that Americans have fought, bled, and died for for over 200 years. Of course i do not expect others to agree with that.

American soldiers faught and died so that young children wouldn't be dragged out of classrooms by police for not saying a damn pledge like this is stalinist russia or something.

I'm seriously getting tired of you old "tea bagging" patriots and your bullshit.

You call Obama a "communist" and "socialist", when it's you old ass farts that live off our SOCIALIST tax dollars through medicare and social security and whine whenever the Hell you don't get your way. Then you want to make this nation look like SOCIALIST CHINA and have kids dragged out of classrooms because they don't recite, in unison, some pledge. Really? I was right there saying kids shouldn't be singing songs in class to Mr. Obama and that it looked creepy. Just as they shouldn't be singing songs to Obama, kids shouldn't be forced to recite indoctrinating pledges.

Playing the national anthem at sports events is quite enough. Respect of the constitution and patriotism is something to be taught in the home and not forced on people in the school system. Just like religious values and bullshit "tolerance of homosexuals" values, it cuts BOTH WAYS. Don't force your values and beliefs on other's children and they won't force them on yours.

The difference slimeball is that veterens have paid to get their medicare and social security. They have also paid a lot more by defending this country by risking their lives.

What many americans don't like are the leeches who live off the tax dollars who are capable of getting jobs if they got off their lazy asses.

Also, if a child, no doubt indoctrinated by his/her america-hating scumbag family, is uncomfortable about this country and saying the pledge, there are a lot of other countries they may feel more comfortable being in, like Iran or Syria.



Thank you for your attention on this matter.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

Supreme Court Hears Mojave Cross Case - ABC News

The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

The case is the latest in a recent flurry of challenges to religious symbols placed on public property.

The cross was constructed more than 70 years ago by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

,,,

In all fairness, do you think a cross is the appropriate monument to erect to fallen soldiers? Especially considering that many of those fallen soldiers where not Christian? Or was the intention to honor only Christian soldiers and to exclude all other fallen soldiers?

Soldiers erected it and maintain it. that makes it appropriate.
It certainly does not give reason to remove it.

 

[uptownlivin90]

People have freedom of speech , they can talk about their religion all they want. You nor I have to listen, And I have closed my door in the face of many who have done that. But to force the military from helping or supporting the BSA because the word God is in their pledge, and to demand that a cross in the middle of the desert be removed because it offends one person is all BS.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

Supreme Court Hears Mojave Cross Case - ABC News

The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

The case is the latest in a recent flurry of challenges to religious symbols placed on public property.

The cross was constructed more than 70 years ago by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

,,,

I can agree with the memorial. I apologize for the remark above remark regarding the cross. Yes anyone who fights against a memorial for fallen soldiers is an ass that deserves to be shot no matter if it's a cross or anything else. I also don't see how a cross violates the constitution... that's simply a frivolous case.

Anyway, the rest of what I said, about the old people and the "socialism"... yeah, still stands.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

Supreme Court Hears Mojave Cross Case - ABC News

The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

The case is the latest in a recent flurry of challenges to religious symbols placed on public property.

The cross was constructed more than 70 years ago by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

,,,

I can agree with the memorial. I apologize for the remark above remark regarding the cross. Yes anyone who fights against a memorial for fallen soldiers is an ass that deserves to be shot no matter if it's a cross or anything else. I also don't see how a cross violates the constitution... that's simply a frivolous case.

Anyway, the rest of what I said, about the old people and the "socialism"... yeah, still stands.

accepted

 

[del]

Obviously the little twit isn't happy about living in America.

Therefore, there are a lot of Obama, hate america type schools, where the little brat would be more comfortable.

No one is forcing the twit to stay here.

with respect, only a complete fucking idiot could reach this conclusion.

while i personally disagree with this kid's actions, refusing to pledge allegiance for whatever reason took a lot of balls on his/her part, and represents what this country is about-freedom to speak your mind and act accordingly as long as it's within the law..

fuckwit

 

[Sherry]

1) No, they work for freedom FROM religion.
2) Depends on what people see in the flag.

Freedom from religion is not one of our rightss in the constitution.

Maybe this should be a separate thread; What I see in the flag is a symbol of the freedoms that Americans have fought, bled, and died for for over 200 years. Of course i do not expect others to agree with that.

American soldiers faught and died so that young children wouldn't be dragged out of classrooms by police for not saying a damn pledge like this is stalinist russia or something.

I'm seriously getting tired of you old "tea bagging" patriots and your bullshit.

You call Obama a "communist" and "socialist", when it's you old ass farts that live off our SOCIALIST tax dollars through medicare and social security and whine whenever the Hell you don't get your way. Then you want to make this nation look like SOCIALIST CHINA and have kids dragged out of classrooms because they don't recite, in unison, some pledge. Really? I was right there saying kids shouldn't be singing songs in class to Mr. Obama and that it looked creepy. Just as they shouldn't be singing songs to Obama, kids shouldn't be forced to recite indoctrinating pledges.

Playing the national anthem at sports events is quite enough. Respect of the constitution and patriotism is something to be taught in the home and not forced on people in the school system. Just like religious values and bullshit "tolerance of homosexuals" values, it cuts BOTH WAYS. Don't force your values and beliefs on other's children and they won't force them on yours.

But we should have a different set of rules for sex education?? Seems like a double standard to me. I support teaching respect for the historic value of our national symbols, as well as equipping young people to make informed decisions.

 

[CMike]

Not the way I see it.

If they hate the country like Obama does they should leave.

 

[uptownlivin90]

Freedom from religion is not one of our rightss in the constitution.

Maybe this should be a separate thread; What I see in the flag is a symbol of the freedoms that Americans have fought, bled, and died for for over 200 years. Of course i do not expect others to agree with that.

American soldiers faught and died so that young children wouldn't be dragged out of classrooms by police for not saying a damn pledge like this is stalinist russia or something.

I'm seriously getting tired of you old "tea bagging" patriots and your bullshit.

You call Obama a "communist" and "socialist", when it's you old ass farts that live off our SOCIALIST tax dollars through medicare and social security and whine whenever the Hell you don't get your way. Then you want to make this nation look like SOCIALIST CHINA and have kids dragged out of classrooms because they don't recite, in unison, some pledge. Really? I was right there saying kids shouldn't be singing songs in class to Mr. Obama and that it looked creepy. Just as they shouldn't be singing songs to Obama, kids shouldn't be forced to recite indoctrinating pledges.

Playing the national anthem at sports events is quite enough. Respect of the constitution and patriotism is something to be taught in the home and not forced on people in the school system. Just like religious values and bullshit "tolerance of homosexuals" values, it cuts BOTH WAYS. Don't force your values and beliefs on other's children and they won't force them on yours.

The difference slimeball is that veterens have paid to get their medicare and social security. They have also paid a lot more by defending this country by risking their lives.

What many americans don't like are the leeches who live off the tax dollars who are capable of getting jobs if they got off their lazy asses.

Also, if a child, no doubt indoctrinated by his/her america-hating scumbag family, is uncomfortable about this country and saying the pledge, there are a lot of other countries they may feel more comfortable being in, like Iran or Syria.



Thank you for your attention on this matter.

Not talking about veterans. Old people that includes those who served and those who for whatever reason didn't, that also includes young people who drive on socialist roads and go to socialist schools. It's really a swipe at the tea party, those who lcaim to be "patriots" but wish to force their ideals on others.

Personally I said the pledge throughout my years of going to school. Because one I have respect for the flag, and two I'm not an activist personally, and I'm not the type of person that likes to make political situations out of math class.

And you know damn well there's a reason why children aren't indoctrinated in this nation. I can say the same thing regarding pretty much anything "if you don't like it leave", it makes us no better of a nation and no truer to our principles. We are a nation of protected rights and freedoms for a REASON.

 

[blu]

Not the way I see it.

If they hate the country like Obama does they should leave.

this is why everyone thinks you are an idiot

 

[driveby]

Why?

Call me simple, but it's tradition in my book .....

What are you? 100 years old?

I was a little surprised to read: "The Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that students cannot be forced to salute the flag."

Apparently the "tradition" has been illegal for the past 67 years.

40 years old ....

Where did you go to Junior High School ? In Russia ? .....

 

[Dr Grump]

I agree with Ollie vis a vis the cross in the desert.

 

[uptownlivin90]

Freedom from religion is not one of our rightss in the constitution.

Maybe this should be a separate thread; What I see in the flag is a symbol of the freedoms that Americans have fought, bled, and died for for over 200 years. Of course i do not expect others to agree with that.

American soldiers faught and died so that young children wouldn't be dragged out of classrooms by police for not saying a damn pledge like this is stalinist russia or something.

I'm seriously getting tired of you old "tea bagging" patriots and your bullshit.

You call Obama a "communist" and "socialist", when it's you old ass farts that live off our SOCIALIST tax dollars through medicare and social security and whine whenever the Hell you don't get your way. Then you want to make this nation look like SOCIALIST CHINA and have kids dragged out of classrooms because they don't recite, in unison, some pledge. Really? I was right there saying kids shouldn't be singing songs in class to Mr. Obama and that it looked creepy. Just as they shouldn't be singing songs to Obama, kids shouldn't be forced to recite indoctrinating pledges.

Playing the national anthem at sports events is quite enough. Respect of the constitution and patriotism is something to be taught in the home and not forced on people in the school system. Just like religious values and bullshit "tolerance of homosexuals" values, it cuts BOTH WAYS. Don't force your values and beliefs on other's children and they won't force them on yours.

But we should have a different set of rules for sex education?? Seems like a double standard to me. I support teaching respect for the historic value of our national symbols, as well as equipping young people to make informed decisions.

Sex education is biology & health. In biology & health you teach children about the circulatory system, the cardio-vascular system, etc AND then you teach them about the reproductive system. You can teach children about what sex is, how it works, and what happens and give them INFORMATION without injecting your personal opinions and "values" on to the students. And even if an individual teacher decides TOO say "I personally don't believe you should have sex till your married" to their class, they have the right to say so, but to make it a forced policy within the US to teach "Values" rather than enough information where they can come to their own conlcusion with the help of their parents about what their values are is setting us up for a bad situation.

 

[Sherry]

American soldiers faught and died so that young children wouldn't be dragged out of classrooms by police for not saying a damn pledge like this is stalinist russia or something.

I'm seriously getting tired of you old "tea bagging" patriots and your bullshit.

You call Obama a "communist" and "socialist", when it's you old ass farts that live off our SOCIALIST tax dollars through medicare and social security and whine whenever the Hell you don't get your way. Then you want to make this nation look like SOCIALIST CHINA and have kids dragged out of classrooms because they don't recite, in unison, some pledge. Really? I was right there saying kids shouldn't be singing songs in class to Mr. Obama and that it looked creepy. Just as they shouldn't be singing songs to Obama, kids shouldn't be forced to recite indoctrinating pledges.

Playing the national anthem at sports events is quite enough. Respect of the constitution and patriotism is something to be taught in the home and not forced on people in the school system. Just like religious values and bullshit "tolerance of homosexuals" values, it cuts BOTH WAYS. Don't force your values and beliefs on other's children and they won't force them on yours.

But we should have a different set of rules for sex education?? Seems like a double standard to me. I support teaching respect for the historic value of our national symbols, as well as equipping young people to make informed decisions.

Sex education is biology & health. In biology & health you teach children about the circulatory system, the cardio-vascular system, etc AND then you teach them about the reproductive system. You can teach children about what sex is, how it works, and what happens and give them INFORMATION without injecting your personal opinions and "values" on to the students. And even if an individual teacher decides TOO say "I personally don't believe you should have sex till your married" to their class, they have the right to say so, but to make it a forced policy within the US to teach "Values" rather than enough information where they can come to their own conlcusion with the help of their parents about what their values are is setting us up for a bad situation.

Many parents would disagree with you that the current form of sex ed does not impart values, or as you stated regarding patriotism, is something that should be left to the parents to teach at home. Someone could make an equally compelling argument that patriotism is part of teaching history.