student escorted out of class for not saying the pledge

[uptownlivin90]

But we should have a different set of rules for sex education?? Seems like a double standard to me. I support teaching respect for the historic value of our national symbols, as well as equipping young people to make informed decisions.

Sex education is biology & health. In biology & health you teach children about the circulatory system, the cardio-vascular system, etc AND then you teach them about the reproductive system. You can teach children about what sex is, how it works, and what happens and give them INFORMATION without injecting your personal opinions and "values" on to the students. And even if an individual teacher decides TOO say "I personally don't believe you should have sex till your married" to their class, they have the right to say so, but to make it a forced policy within the US to teach "Values" rather than enough information where they can come to their own conlcusion with the help of their parents about what their values are is setting us up for a bad situation.

Many parents would disagree with you that the current form of sex ed does not impart values, or as you stated regarding patriotism, is something that should be left to the parents to teach at home. Someone could make an equally compelling argument that patriotism is part of teaching history.

I'd personally agree, however, I'm speaking about if the world was perfect.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Sex education is biology & health. In biology & health you teach children about the circulatory system, the cardio-vascular system, etc AND then you teach them about the reproductive system. You can teach children about what sex is, how it works, and what happens and give them INFORMATION without injecting your personal opinions and "values" on to the students. And even if an individual teacher decides TOO say "I personally don't believe you should have sex till your married" to their class, they have the right to say so, but to make it a forced policy within the US to teach "Values" rather than enough information where they can come to their own conlcusion with the help of their parents about what their values are is setting us up for a bad situation.

Many parents would disagree with you that the current form of sex ed does not impart values, or as you stated regarding patriotism, is something that should be left to the parents to teach at home. Someone could make an equally compelling argument that patriotism is part of teaching history.

I'd personally agree, however, I'm speaking about if the world was perfect.

The World is far from perfect.

 

[pinqy]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.

I can't find any connection between the ACLU and the West Virginia v Barnette decision. Perhaps you could show me where I've missed it.

And why should we force children to pledge allegience? Why on earth do you think that's a good idea?

 

[Harry Dresden]

I agree with Ollie vis a vis the cross in the desert.

i do also,the cross should stay....but as far as the pledge goes......i use to just recite it mindlessly.....never used to think about why us kids were saying it,just thought i guess thats what ya do to begin the school day......as you get older it becomes clearer as to the why.....but by then its to late....you are now hopelessly brainwashed.....

 

[Gadawg73]

Hey they don't have to say the Pledge. They can find a private arabic school that better serves their allegiance.

Wrong. Something about the US Constitution.
Something you need to learn.
Govern yourself accordingly.

 

[Gadawg73]

I seldom use the word hate. I can't stand them because they always seem to work against freedom of religion, and they work against the protection of the flag.

which of those did they fight against in this case?

Don't try to male more of what I say than I do not like the ACLU. And that I show utmost respect for the Flag of the United States. And just leave it at that.

The ACLU spends hundreds of thousands of dollars annually fighting for the rights of street preachers to preach the gospel.
Are you opposed to that also?

 

[Anguille]

,,,

In all fairness, do you think a cross is the appropriate monument to erect to fallen soldiers? Especially considering that many of those fallen soldiers where not Christian? Or was the intention to honor only Christian soldiers and to exclude all other fallen soldiers?

Soldiers erected it and maintain it. that makes it appropriate.
It certainly does not give reason to remove it.

I think the soldiers were misguided. It was a mistake to use a cross. I think the momument excludes all non Christian fallen soldiers and I doubt it was the intention of all the original soldiers who erected it to exclude them. Maybe some intended to but I doubt the majority did.

 

[Anguille]

I'm pretty sure the ACLU only goes after those symbols etc when they are in a public place or government installed.

What cross in what desert?

Supreme Court Hears Mojave Cross Case - ABC News

The U.S. Park Service was forced to cover the cross until the Supreme Court decides whether the cross can remain in its place as a monument to fallen soldiers during World War I, or whether it must come down because its presence violates the Constitution.

The case is the latest in a recent flurry of challenges to religious symbols placed on public property.

The cross was constructed more than 70 years ago by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

,,,

I can agree with the memorial. I apologize for the remark above remark regarding the cross. Yes anyone who fights against a memorial for fallen soldiers is an ass that deserves to be shot no matter if it's a cross or anything else. I also don't see how a cross violates the constitution... that's simply a frivolous case.

Anyway, the rest of what I said, about the old people and the "socialism"... yeah, still stands.

"deserves to be shot" ??!!!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

always loved the people who force allegiance to liberty....

washingtonpost.com

Yes, there is a bit of an irony to that, isn't there.

 

[FireGod]

"
The Montgomery school system's student handbook contains a section about "Patriotic Exercises" that reads: "You cannot be required to say a pledge, sing an anthem, or take part in patriotic exercises. No one will be permitted to intentionally embarrass you if you choose not to participate."
The incident began on a Wednesday in late January, when the girl did not stand for the pledge. Her teacher yelled at her, demanded that she stand and then sent her to the office for her defiance, Quereshi said. The school system confirmed the sequence of events.
The next morning, the girl again refused to stand for the pledge. This time, the teacher called two school police officers to the classroom to escort the girl to the office."


I attended Montgomery County schools. I can't believe this crap is still going on!! The teacher needs to be disciplined.

Monkey County has been having more than one stupid thing going on recently.

 

[Anguille]

Not the way I see it.

If they hate the country like Obama does they should leave.

I think that you hate this country and that you are unpatriotic because of your fascist attitude towards those who decline to say the Pledge. The difference between you and I, however, is that I aknowledge your right to express such anti-American sentiments and do not think you should be obliged to leave the country because of them.


Not that I'd be sad to see you go ...

 

[Anguille]

"The girl did not stand for a personal reason and not a political one, her mother said.
Regardless of the reason, the Constitution, state law and the county's handbook are clear that students do not have to stand for the pledge, according to the attorney for the ACLU who is representing the girl.
"The law is crystal-clear that a public school cannot embarrass or harass a student for maintaining a respectful silence during the Pledge of Allegiance," said Ajmel Quereshi, an attorney for the ACLU of Maryland.
"While expression of patriotism in unsettling times is a worthy and admirable emotion, the Supreme Court says that patriotism is best honored by venerating the civil liberties enshrined in the Constitution and not by punishing or ridiculing those whose views might differ from our own." "


ACLU: Girl didn't need to stand for pledge

There are many different reasons why some people decline to participate in saying the Pledge. When I was in middle school in a boy in my homeroom was punished for refusing to say it. His reason : He was a citizen of Venezuela.

 

[rdean]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.



YouTube - Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance

If they refuse to learn, beat 'em. They should be happy they aren't being "tortured", right?

 

[rdean]

Not the way I see it.

If they hate the country like Obama does they should leave.

Something is very wrong with you.

 

[rdean]

which of those did they fight against in this case?

Don't try to male more of what I say than I do not like the ACLU. And that I show utmost respect for the Flag of the United States. And just leave it at that.

The ACLU spends hundreds of thousands of dollars annually fighting for the rights of street preachers to preach the gospel.
Are you opposed to that also?

Do you have a link to that?

 

[beowolfe]

always loved the people who force allegiance to liberty....

washingtonpost.com

Was the student a negro?

You''re really preoccupied with race!!

 

[beowolfe]

The ACLU got it ruled several years back that we could not force children to say or even learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

Just another reason I can't stand the ACLU.

you hate them because people aren't forced to do something daily in a free country???

I seldom use the word hate. I can't stand them because they always seem to work against freedom of religion, and they work against the protection of the flag.

So, you think that a state law that says the state can't force a kid who objects to saying the pledge of allegiance (possibly because of the 'under god' part) to say it is somehow working against freedom of religion????

 

[CMike]

Obviously the little twit isn't happy about living in America.

Therefore, there are a lot of Obama, hate america type schools, where the little brat would be more comfortable.

No one is forcing the twit to stay here.

with respect, only a complete fucking idiot could reach this conclusion.

while i personally disagree with this kid's actions, refusing to pledge allegiance for whatever reason took a lot of balls on his/her part, and represents what this country is about-freedom to speak your mind and act accordingly as long as it's within the law..

fuckwit

It takes a fucking idiot like yourself not to understand it.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

good ......

God, y'all!

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I don't remember the rest of the song.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

always loved the people who force allegiance to liberty....

washingtonpost.com

They tried to suspend me for school for refusing some years back. I told them that my loyalties ae to me principles, not to any man, piece of cloth (which was made in China, btw- I'd checked), geographical area, or government.