Rand Paul Plagiarized Wikipedia in Speech

[BDBoop]

Here's what you guys don't get, and why I am dogged in this matter.

Part of what I have done for work, for decades now, is deal in historical documents, letters, etc., a whole lot of original, unpublished material. I work with museums (and even the Smithsonian, Library of Congress, etc...) and part of what I do entails transcribing that original work, and building a story around it.

For example, an original Civil War letter from Union soldier Jeremiah Brown (picking a name at random) is before me. He writes about the battle of Cold Harbor to his cousin Jeb and his fighting off the "rebel scoundrels" and his position in that battle.

In order to give the reader an understanding, I need to provide a summary of the battle.

I cannot go to Wikipedia and use this in my summary:

On May 31, as Grant's army once again swung around the right flank of Lee's army, Union cavalry seized the crossroads of Old Cold Harbor, about 10 miles northeast of the Confederate capital of Richmond, Virginia, holding it against Confederate attacks until the Union infantry arrived. Both Grant and Lee, whose armies had suffered enormous casualties in the Overland Campaign, received reinforcements. On the evening of June 1, the Union VI Corps and XVIII Corps arrived and assaulted the Confederate works to the west of the crossroads with some success.

Even though they are the basic facts of the matter, those are not my words.

If I did decide to be lazy, I could, but I would need to cite it as a Wiki reference. Anything other is not honest. I can't claim it as my own. Whether one person wrote those facts, or a community did. The arrangement of the words are not my own.

You Paulbytes don't seem to get that, and it speaks volumes, on so many levels.

We have since learned Paul does not just swipe Wiki though, much of his stealing DID originate from one, original source. he may have noted, in some cases, the reference for his words -- but STILL, he did not put those words in quotes.

He did not make clear to the reader those were not his words. His summary, detail, work-product -- was someone else's work product.

By appropriating the exact language, verbatim, he is engaging in plagiarism, cut, dry and dead center fact. Any high school student knows this. Any high school student knows he would be flunked if he did what rand did.

It might explain why Randian's don't know this, but who's to say?

Facts don't matter. Truth is not important. Never take responsibility and admit a mistake. Deflect and change the subject. Redefine words. Muddy the waters.

And thank you, Rush Coulter, for setting the standard on what passes as intellectual discourse these days.

The fact is, this thread never would have gained ground if we were on a board that demands critical thought from the members.

 

[R.C. Christian]

MLK plagiarized a lot of shit too but you commie scum never complain about that.

 

[tinydancer]

This thread exemplifies liberal think.

Rand Paul didn't plagerize anyone. Maddow goes off half cocked about this. Headlines ensue and morons on this board regurgitate bullshit.

Who's original work did he plagerize? Can anyone give me a name?

Hey, aneurism. there had been like 7 places he's copied wholecloth big swipes of text. It's all over in top news stories.

He is now Senator Cut & Paste.

He even admitted to stealing it. Then blamed his staff.

Maybe for once you could read a thread without the drug-induced flashbacks which prevent you from scrolling back, reading, and making a fool of yourself.

Drug induced flashbacks for asking for a name?



To plagiarize one has to steal property. He didn't do that. Having a bad managerial moment for having someone on staff that would do so, big deal.

Hope he fires that person's ass if that person did a C&P.

Now numb nuts I went to Ryerson and journalism was my major. Highly successful music career.

Go fuck yourself unless you can top me. And yes I am arrogant. I earned it. Try to do a Plasmaball or other idiotic slash and burns don't count to me at all.

You're nothing to me.

 

[BDBoop]

I'm beginning to think there is a serious mental retardation problem with RandPaulites. Serious.

It is second generation. For once, I am not joking.

 

[tinydancer]

MLK plagiarized a lot of shit too but you commie scum never complain about that.

One day you can grow up and be Vice President!

 

[koshergrl]

I don't think it's possible to plagarize wiki.

I suspect they plagarized Paul, or he contributed the content himself, lol.

 

[flacaltenn]

Who did Rand Paul plagiarize?

I want a name.

The right’s blind and ignorant defense of a plagiarist is telling.

Then why can't you answer TinyDancer's simple question? WHO did he plagiarize? It's not Wikipedia because that org didn't author it.. They ask authors to take ownership under the General Agreements.

Here's a clue.. Pull up the Gattaca page and press the button at the top for {HISTORY}
There are 500 pages of editing history with 100s of contributors to that page. All common consensus knowledge. Exactly done as Gene Roddenberry portrayed the "Borg Collective"..

Here's the FIRST of 500 pages of authors..

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Yep --- THEY own the page.. All 139 of them.. No agreement on sharing credit.
I think Rand Paul should've just credited

"SCOOBYDUNK" et al..

You're a lawyer read the 4 different "open source" agreements for "author attribution".. I think "SCOOBYDUNK" et al would be perfect ----- dont you?

 

[tinydancer]

I'm beginning to think there is a serious mental retardation problem with RandPaulites. Serious.

It is second generation. For once, I am not joking.

So now Rand Paul is mentally retarded?

Come on for crying out loud. You. BD Boop on a message board think Rand Paul is mentally retarded.

Aye carumba.

 

[tinydancer]

Who did Rand Paul plagiarize?

I want a name.

The right’s blind and ignorant defense of a plagiarist is telling.

Then why can't you answer TinyDancer's simple question? WHO did he plagiarize? It's not Wikipedia because that org didn't author it.. They ask authors to take ownership under the General Agreements.

Here's a clue.. Pull up the Gattaca page and press the button at the top for {HISTORY}
There are 500 pages of editing history with 100s of contributors to that page. All common consensus knowledge. Exactly done as Gene Roddenberry portrayed the "Borg Collective"..

Here's the FIRST of 500 pages of authors..

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Yep --- THEY own the page.. All 139 of them.. No agreement on sharing credit.
I think Rand Paul should've just credited

"SCOOBYDUNK" et al..

You're a lawyer read the 4 different "open source" agreements for "author attribution".. I think "SCOOBYDUNK" et al would be perfect ----- dont you?

Thank you.

 

[flacaltenn]

The right’s blind and ignorant defense of a plagiarist is telling.

Then why can't you answer TinyDancer's simple question? WHO did he plagiarize? It's not Wikipedia because that org didn't author it.. They ask authors to take ownership under the General Agreements.

Here's a clue.. Pull up the Gattaca page and press the button at the top for {HISTORY}
There are 500 pages of editing history with 100s of contributors to that page. All common consensus knowledge. Exactly done as Gene Roddenberry portrayed the "Borg Collective"..

Here's the FIRST of 500 pages of authors..

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(cur | prev) 18:36, 29 October 2013* Masem (talk | contribs)* . . (26,951 bytes) (+406)* . . (Not touching the eugenics thing - just moving more plot-oriented details from lead to the plot, and summarizing the plot in the lead.) (undo)
(cur | prev) 18:36, 29 October 2013* Ruby2010 (talk | contribs)* . . (26,545 bytes) (-22)* . . (Reverted good faith edits by Math-ghamhainn (talk): I think that's already implied, and seems like bad grammar besides. (TW)) (undo)
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(cur | prev) 16:48, 29 October 2013* Heathhunnicutt (talk | contribs)* . . (26,420 bytes) (-16)* . . (So-called "liberal" eugenics is voluntary/opt-in, the world of Gattaca is tyrannical, with government-mandated eugenics.) (undo)
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Yep --- THEY own the page.. All 139 of them.. No agreement on sharing credit.
I think Rand Paul should've just credited

"SCOOBYDUNK" et al..

You're a lawyer read the 4 different "open source" agreements for "author attribution".. I think "SCOOBYDUNK" et al would be perfect ----- dont you?

Thank you.

Don'tcha think Racheal Maddow ought to recite the 500 pages of Author credits on her next show and apologize for not giving each and every one of those folks due credit ??

 

[paperview]

Hey flakefucks: Even Rand Paul has said

(paraphrased)

WE

FuCKD

Up.

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. There is some serious delusions going on here.

And it wasn't just fucking Wiki. Argh!

 

[tinydancer]

Then why can't you answer TinyDancer's simple question? WHO did he plagiarize? It's not Wikipedia because that org didn't author it.. They ask authors to take ownership under the General Agreements.

Here's a clue.. Pull up the Gattaca page and press the button at the top for {HISTORY}
There are 500 pages of editing history with 100s of contributors to that page. All common consensus knowledge. Exactly done as Gene Roddenberry portrayed the "Borg Collective"..

Here's the FIRST of 500 pages of authors..



Yep --- THEY own the page.. All 139 of them.. No agreement on sharing credit.
I think Rand Paul should've just credited

"SCOOBYDUNK" et al..

You're a lawyer read the 4 different "open source" agreements for "author attribution".. I think "SCOOBYDUNK" et al would be perfect ----- dont you?

Thank you.

Don'tcha think Racheal Maddow ought to recite the 500 pages of Author credits on her next show and apologize for not giving each and every one of those folks due credit ??

Yes I do. She's getting desperate now for any ratings.

 

[flacaltenn]

Protocol generally is PaperView.. We just bust ONE conspiracy theory at a time here.

Start the NEXT thread..

 

[paperview]

More wiki fun:

• Maddow, Rachel (October 28, 2013). "Where'd you get your speech, Rand?". MSNBC. Retrieved October 28, 2013.
• Femia, Will (October 29, 2013). "Rand Paul added to the Gattaca entry? Don’t look at us!". MSNBC. Retrieved October 29, 2013.
• Tal Kopan (October 29, 2013). "Rachel Maddow: Rand Paul ripped off Wikipedia". Politico. Retrieved October 29, 2013.
• Valerie Strauss (October 29, 2013). "Rand Paul does what gets kids in trouble: 'borrow' from Wikipedia". Washington Post. Retrieved October 29, 2013.
• Joseph Gerth (October 28, 2013). "Rachel Maddow accuses Rand Paul of plagiarism at Liberty University". Courier-Journal (Louisville, KY). Retrieved October 29, 2013.
• Josh Voorhees (October 29, 2013). "Rachel Maddow catches Rand Paul plagiarizing Gattaca's Wikipedia page". Slate.com. Retrieved October 29, 2013.
• Alexandra Petri (October 29, 2013). "Rand Paul uses Wikipedia for eugenics speech". Washington Post. Retrieved October 29, 2013.
• Katie McDonough (October 29, 2013). "Rand Paul lifted his antiabortion speech from the Wikipedia page for a science fiction movie". Salon.com. Retrieved October 30, 2013.
• Zerlina Maxwell (October 29, 2013). "Rand Paul compares abortion to eugenics...really". The Grio. Retrieved October 30, 2013.
• Hillary Busis (October 30, 2013). "'Gattaca' fan Rand Paul copies Wikipedia in abortion speech -- video". Entertainment Weekly. Retrieved October 31, 2013.
• Joseph Gerth (October 30, 2013). "Rand Paul mum after plagiarism allegations". USA Today. Retrieved October 31, 2013.
• Jeremy W. Peters (October 30, 2013). "Senator Rand Paul Is Accused of Plagiarizing His Lines From Wikipedia". New York Times. Retrieved October 31, 2013.
• Scott Collins (October 30, 2013). "Rachel Maddow a 'hater' in Wikipedia plagiarism flap, Rand Paul says". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved November 1, 2013.
• Alan Silverleib (October 31, 2013). "Rand Paul accused of Wikipedia plagiarism". CNN. Retrieved November 1, 2013.
• Joseph Gerth (November 1, 2013). "Rand Paul defends use of Wikipedia quotes". Courier-Journal. Retrieved November 3, 2013.
• Morgan Little (November 1, 2013). "Rand Paul: Plagiarism accusations just attacks from 'haters'". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved November 2, 2013.
• Margaret Hartmann (November 1, 2013). "Rand Paul promises to stop plagiarizing, still doesn't understand what that means". New York. Retrieved November 2, 2013.
• Brad Knickerbocker (November 3, 2013). "Rand Paul and Wikipedia: Plagiarism or lazy staff?". Christian Science Monitor. Retrieved November 3, 2013.
• Brian Knowlton (November 3, 2013). "Rand Paul muses about 'dueling' with his accusers". New York Times. Retrieved November 3, 2013.
• Andrew Kaczynski (November 3, 2013). "Speech on Rand Paul's website quietly updated to include footnotes". Buzzfeed. Retrieved November 3, 2013.

Talk:Gattaca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[paperview]

As the neg reppers hit when you make the indentation in their bubble.

How dare we!

 

[tinydancer]

Hey flakefucks: Even Rand Paul has said

(paraphrased)

WE

FuCKD

Up.

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. There is some serious delusions going on here.

And it wasn't just fucking Wiki. Argh!

Then his speech writers should be fired. It's really that simple. What's the issue?

 

[flacaltenn]

Thank you.

Don'tcha think Racheal Maddow ought to recite the 500 pages of Author credits on her next show and apologize for not giving each and every one of those folks due credit ??

Yes I do. She's getting desperate now for any ratings.

Hey -- great idea.. Maddow can fill a couple shows crediting authors for a summary of a movie plot --- and thus continue to avoid any IMPORTANT topical news..

But EVEN BETTER..

Next time Rand Paul has to pull a 22 hour fillibuster to get the Prez to answer an easy question on whether he'd drone-kill Americans in America ------

Rand should just read this 500 pages of credits to make amends.. PERFECT fillibuster material aint it? And it would PLEASE all his critics -- I'm sure..

 

[BobPlumb]

Paul Rand was wrong for not citing his source --- as wrong as millions are for going sixty in a fifty-five mph zone. Who the hell really cares!

 

[tinydancer]

Does anyone other than a asshole lib believe Rand Paul is writing his own speeches?

I would prefer to believe that Paul doesn't have anyone on his staff doing a copy and paste but that said how is Rand Paul responsible for plagiarism if a speech writer is the one plagiarizing?

 

[R.C. Christian]

In a world of liars, people like Rand should hold themselves to higher standards. I'm sure his speech writers flubbed, mistakes are forgivable, but If I were he then I'd stand tall among the scum in D.C. and do everything I could to be the better man even if that meant dumping Dianne Feinstein's colostomy bag.

On Harry Reid's face of course.