Palestinian identity ?

[Challenger]

THE ONLY BOOK ON PALESTINIAN HISTORY YOU WILL EVER NEED TO READ
A historian counters mendacity with powerful satire.
June 23, 2017

Ari Lieberman

...

The notion of “Palestinian history” is farcical and Voll’s understated but illuminating point unabashedly exposes this abject lie. The name “Palestine” is an invented name concocted by the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

In 132 CE, the Jews of Judea (alternatively known as Eretz Israel) launched an open revolt against Roman occupation of their land. Led by its charismatic leader, Simon Bar Kochva, the anti-Roman insurgency nearly succeeded, as evidenced by archaeological discoveries and historical accounts but was ultimately suppressed some three years late after intense and bitter fightingr.

Hadrian was keenly aware and understood that the Jews could never be defeated by force of arms alone. He believed that in order to defeat the Jews, he needed to break their spirit as well. He therefore embarked on a bitter campaign of severing the Jewish nexus to the Land of Israel. Among his many cruel edicts was the renaming of the city of Jerusalem to “Aelia Capitolina” and the Land of Israel to “Palestine.” While the former name was never accepted, the latter abominable renaming unfortunately stuck and over time supplanted the land’s historical and original naming.

To be clear, there has never in the history of mankind been a Palestinian state, a Palestinian capital, a distinct Palestinian language, currency or culture. In December 2011, Newt Gingrich noted this indisputable fact and made the following observation;

“Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community…”

...

The Only Book On Palestinian History You Will Ever Need To Read

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

THE ONLY BOOK ON PALESTINIAN HISTORY YOU WILL EVER NEED TO READ
A historian counters mendacity with powerful satire.
June 23, 2017

Ari Lieberman

...

The notion of “Palestinian history” is farcical and Voll’s understated but illuminating point unabashedly exposes this abject lie. The name “Palestine” is an invented name concocted by the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

In 132 CE, the Jews of Judea (alternatively known as Eretz Israel) launched an open revolt against Roman occupation of their land. Led by its charismatic leader, Simon Bar Kochva, the anti-Roman insurgency nearly succeeded, as evidenced by archaeological discoveries and historical accounts but was ultimately suppressed some three years late after intense and bitter fightingr.

Hadrian was keenly aware and understood that the Jews could never be defeated by force of arms alone. He believed that in order to defeat the Jews, he needed to break their spirit as well. He therefore embarked on a bitter campaign of severing the Jewish nexus to the Land of Israel. Among his many cruel edicts was the renaming of the city of Jerusalem to “Aelia Capitolina” and the Land of Israel to “Palestine.” While the former name was never accepted, the latter abominable renaming unfortunately stuck and over time supplanted the land’s historical and original naming.

To be clear, there has never in the history of mankind been a Palestinian state, a Palestinian capital, a distinct Palestinian language, currency or culture. In December 2011, Newt Gingrich noted this indisputable fact and made the following observation;

“Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community…”

...

The Only Book On Palestinian History You Will Ever Need To Read

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

 

[American_Jihad]

What Hamas Wants
A new political document should shatter any remaining illusions.
July 3, 2017
Herbert London

Illusions in the Middle East die hard. However, with the publication of Hamas' new political document, there shouldn’t be any doubt about the motives of this Muslim Brotherhood organization. The western press continues to assert that Hamas is “moderating” its views, but the document itself offers a different picture.

The main points of the new political document are:

1. Reliance on Islam as the sole source of authority;
2. Denial of the Jewish right to self-determination in the Land of Israel;
3. Conferral of a sacred Islamic character on all of Palestine;
4. An armed struggle to liberate Palestine is legitimate and must continue.

In the last year, Hamas has altered the wording in many of its public statements to seem accommodating. Presumably naiveté in the West has given it leverage at the U.N. and as a legitimate political actor on the world stage. In fact, the modification in language is an exercise in “taqiyyah” (deception in the cause of Allah). Impression, not substance, is what counts for Hamas officials.

...

So let’s get over the pollyannish view peace can be negotiated. It will not be negotiated as long as one side at the negotiating table wants to kill those across from them. That is the reality, however difficult it is to accept.

What Hamas Wants

 

[American_Jihad]

UN REPORT PLACES SOME BLAME ON PALESTINIAN LEADERS FOR GAZA HUMANITARIAN CRISIS
Report still sharply criticizes Israel as usual, but Israel is no longer the UN's sole villain.
July 12, 2017

Joseph Klein

The United Nations has just issued a report entitled “GAZA TEN YEARS LATER - United Nations Country Team in the occupied Palestinian.” It was written from the false perspective that Gaza is still part of the so-called Palestinian territory “occupied” by Israel, which represents the official position of the United Nations as a whole. However, the report also contains some insights into the destructive pattern of conduct by the Palestinian leadership, contributing significantly to the misery of the people of Gaza.

If Israel were truly the “occupier” of Gaza, 12 years after its unilateral withdrawal and 10 years after Hamas’s violent takeover of Gaza from Palestinian Authority control, Hamas would not be ruling Gaza, let alone remaining free to use the territory as a launching pad for terrorist attacks against Israel. Indeed, the UN report itself demonstrated some cognitive dissonance on the question regarding who actually runs Gaza. In one breath the report asserted that Israel is the occupying power in Gaza because of “the control that Israel retained on Gaza’s air space, sea space and external borders continuously.” However, the report also noted the “exercise of government-like functions and territorial control” by the “de facto authorities in Gaza” – i.e., Hamas. The report described how “Hamas has increasingly tightened its grip on power” since seizing control and “was able to sustain its de facto authority and build up its military strength.”

Moreover, the UN report effectively undercut the premise that the Palestinians have achieved the prerequisites for recognition as a legitimate state, regardless of its authors' intentions. There are severe unresolved divisions between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, leading to separate and competing governing authorities and sets of laws within the territories that the Palestinians claim as the basis for their state. Consider the following verbatim quote from the UN report:

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UN Report Places Some Blame on Palestinian Leaders for Gaza Humanitarian Crisis

 

[P F Tinmore]

If Israel were truly the “occupier” of Gaza, 12 years after its unilateral withdrawal and 10 years after Hamas’s violent takeover of Gaza from Palestinian Authority control,

I can't believe they are still pimping that lie.

 

[Hollie]

If Israel were truly the “occupier” of Gaza, 12 years after its unilateral withdrawal and 10 years after Hamas’s violent takeover of Gaza from Palestinian Authority control,

I can't believe they are still pimping that lie.

I can't believe that people like you are still pimping the "Pal'istan" hoax.

I'm not at all surprised that Islamic terrorists are unable to manage civil affairs of government. The mini-caliphates in fatah'istan and Gaza'istan are no more successful than the more ambitious ISIS caliphate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If Israel were truly the “occupier” of Gaza, 12 years after its unilateral withdrawal and 10 years after Hamas’s violent takeover of Gaza from Palestinian Authority control,

I can't believe they are still pimping that lie.

I can't believe that people like you are still pimping the "Pal'istan" hoax.

I'm not at all surprised that Islamic terrorists are unable to manage civil affairs of government. The mini-caliphates in fatah'istan and Gaza'istan are no more successful than the more ambitious ISIS caliphate.

Indeed.

 

[Hollie]

If Israel were truly the “occupier” of Gaza, 12 years after its unilateral withdrawal and 10 years after Hamas’s violent takeover of Gaza from Palestinian Authority control,

I can't believe they are still pimping that lie.

I can't believe that people like you are still pimping the "Pal'istan" hoax.

I'm not at all surprised that Islamic terrorists are unable to manage civil affairs of government. The mini-caliphates in fatah'istan and Gaza'istan are no more successful than the more ambitious ISIS caliphate.

Indeed.

Indeed. Muhamnedans begging at the Kuffar welfare trough.

Indeed.

 

[rylah]

If Israel were truly the “occupier” of Gaza, 12 years after its unilateral withdrawal and 10 years after Hamas’s violent takeover of Gaza from Palestinian Authority control,

I can't believe they are still pimping that lie.

Hamas does NOT consider Gaza occupied:

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahhar has cast doubt his party will take up peaceful resistance against Israel as advocated by former rivals Fatah.
Under a reconciliation deal between the factions signed in May, officials called for a unified "national strategy," and Fatah officials say that Hamas chief-in-exile Khalid Mashaal agreed to adopt non-violent popular action in favor of armed struggle.

But in comments to Ma'an late Monday, senior Hamas official in Gaza Zahhar stressed the situation in the Gaza Strip is different to the occupied West Bank.

"Against whom could we demonstrate in the Gaza Strip? When Gaza was occupied, that model was applicable," Zahhar said.

Hamas: Peaceful resistance not applicable to Gaza

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian identity was established by law at the end of WWI.

So why the debate?

Heritage is stronger than any ink on a piece of paper.
The debate is because it seems Palestinians so much oppose 'occupation' while at the same time hold on to occupiers culture, as if they've lost all connection to their roots

Speaking foreign language, no distinct culture...they prefer occupiers' identity (Roman/Arab) while denying anything that originally came from the land, and their brothers - Jews, who're culturally more Palestinian than themselves.

The Palestinians are Palestinian by law. They are citizens of Palestine by law. Palestine is defined by international borders.

Israeli blabber cannot change any of that.

Nor can Arab Muslim blabber change the three magic words in all the relevant documents.

JEWISH. NATIONAL. HOME.

You don't know what that was.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian identity was established by law at the end of WWI.

So why the debate?

Heritage is stronger than any ink on a piece of paper.
The debate is because it seems Palestinians so much oppose 'occupation' while at the same time hold on to occupiers culture, as if they've lost all connection to their roots

Speaking foreign language, no distinct culture...they prefer occupiers' identity (Roman/Arab) while denying anything that originally came from the land, and their brothers - Jews, who're culturally more Palestinian than themselves.

The Palestinians are Palestinian by law. They are citizens of Palestine by law. Palestine is defined by international borders.

Israeli blabber cannot change any of that.

Nor can Arab Muslim blabber change the three magic words in all the relevant documents.

JEWISH. NATIONAL. HOME.

You don't know what that was.

 

[rylah]

Palestinian identity was established by law at the end of WWI.

So why the debate?

Heritage is stronger than any ink on a piece of paper.
The debate is because it seems Palestinians so much oppose 'occupation' while at the same time hold on to occupiers culture, as if they've lost all connection to their roots

Speaking foreign language, no distinct culture...they prefer occupiers' identity (Roman/Arab) while denying anything that originally came from the land, and their brothers - Jews, who're culturally more Palestinian than themselves.

The Palestinians are Palestinian by law. They are citizens of Palestine by law. Palestine is defined by international borders.

Israeli blabber cannot change any of that.

Nor can Arab Muslim blabber change the three magic words in all the relevant documents.

JEWISH. NATIONAL. HOME.

You don't know what that was.

 

[P F Tinmore]

THE ONLY BOOK ON PALESTINIAN HISTORY YOU WILL EVER NEED TO READ
A historian counters mendacity with powerful satire.
June 23, 2017

Ari Lieberman

...

The notion of “Palestinian history” is farcical and Voll’s understated but illuminating point unabashedly exposes this abject lie. The name “Palestine” is an invented name concocted by the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

In 132 CE, the Jews of Judea (alternatively known as Eretz Israel) launched an open revolt against Roman occupation of their land. Led by its charismatic leader, Simon Bar Kochva, the anti-Roman insurgency nearly succeeded, as evidenced by archaeological discoveries and historical accounts but was ultimately suppressed some three years late after intense and bitter fightingr.

Hadrian was keenly aware and understood that the Jews could never be defeated by force of arms alone. He believed that in order to defeat the Jews, he needed to break their spirit as well. He therefore embarked on a bitter campaign of severing the Jewish nexus to the Land of Israel. Among his many cruel edicts was the renaming of the city of Jerusalem to “Aelia Capitolina” and the Land of Israel to “Palestine.” While the former name was never accepted, the latter abominable renaming unfortunately stuck and over time supplanted the land’s historical and original naming.

To be clear, there has never in the history of mankind been a Palestinian state, a Palestinian capital, a distinct Palestinian language, currency or culture. In December 2011, Newt Gingrich noted this indisputable fact and made the following observation;

“Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community…”

...

The Only Book On Palestinian History You Will Ever Need To Read

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

 

[rylah]

THE ONLY BOOK ON PALESTINIAN HISTORY YOU WILL EVER NEED TO READ
A historian counters mendacity with powerful satire.
June 23, 2017

Ari Lieberman

...

The notion of “Palestinian history” is farcical and Voll’s understated but illuminating point unabashedly exposes this abject lie. The name “Palestine” is an invented name concocted by the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

In 132 CE, the Jews of Judea (alternatively known as Eretz Israel) launched an open revolt against Roman occupation of their land. Led by its charismatic leader, Simon Bar Kochva, the anti-Roman insurgency nearly succeeded, as evidenced by archaeological discoveries and historical accounts but was ultimately suppressed some three years late after intense and bitter fightingr.

Hadrian was keenly aware and understood that the Jews could never be defeated by force of arms alone. He believed that in order to defeat the Jews, he needed to break their spirit as well. He therefore embarked on a bitter campaign of severing the Jewish nexus to the Land of Israel. Among his many cruel edicts was the renaming of the city of Jerusalem to “Aelia Capitolina” and the Land of Israel to “Palestine.” While the former name was never accepted, the latter abominable renaming unfortunately stuck and over time supplanted the land’s historical and original naming.

To be clear, there has never in the history of mankind been a Palestinian state, a Palestinian capital, a distinct Palestinian language, currency or culture. In December 2011, Newt Gingrich noted this indisputable fact and made the following observation;

“Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community…”

...

The Only Book On Palestinian History You Will Ever Need To Read

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

Bureaucracy does not create peoples or nations.
But that seems to be Your only premise for the Palestinian nationality.

 

[P F Tinmore]

THE ONLY BOOK ON PALESTINIAN HISTORY YOU WILL EVER NEED TO READ
A historian counters mendacity with powerful satire.
June 23, 2017

Ari Lieberman

...

The notion of “Palestinian history” is farcical and Voll’s understated but illuminating point unabashedly exposes this abject lie. The name “Palestine” is an invented name concocted by the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

In 132 CE, the Jews of Judea (alternatively known as Eretz Israel) launched an open revolt against Roman occupation of their land. Led by its charismatic leader, Simon Bar Kochva, the anti-Roman insurgency nearly succeeded, as evidenced by archaeological discoveries and historical accounts but was ultimately suppressed some three years late after intense and bitter fightingr.

Hadrian was keenly aware and understood that the Jews could never be defeated by force of arms alone. He believed that in order to defeat the Jews, he needed to break their spirit as well. He therefore embarked on a bitter campaign of severing the Jewish nexus to the Land of Israel. Among his many cruel edicts was the renaming of the city of Jerusalem to “Aelia Capitolina” and the Land of Israel to “Palestine.” While the former name was never accepted, the latter abominable renaming unfortunately stuck and over time supplanted the land’s historical and original naming.

To be clear, there has never in the history of mankind been a Palestinian state, a Palestinian capital, a distinct Palestinian language, currency or culture. In December 2011, Newt Gingrich noted this indisputable fact and made the following observation;

“Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community…”

...

The Only Book On Palestinian History You Will Ever Need To Read

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

Bureaucracy does not create peoples or nations.
But that seems to be Your only premise for the Palestinian nationality.

Palestinian nationality was created by treaty and international law.

 

[rylah]

THE ONLY BOOK ON PALESTINIAN HISTORY YOU WILL EVER NEED TO READ
A historian counters mendacity with powerful satire.
June 23, 2017

Ari Lieberman

...

The notion of “Palestinian history” is farcical and Voll’s understated but illuminating point unabashedly exposes this abject lie. The name “Palestine” is an invented name concocted by the Roman Emperor Hadrian.

In 132 CE, the Jews of Judea (alternatively known as Eretz Israel) launched an open revolt against Roman occupation of their land. Led by its charismatic leader, Simon Bar Kochva, the anti-Roman insurgency nearly succeeded, as evidenced by archaeological discoveries and historical accounts but was ultimately suppressed some three years late after intense and bitter fightingr.

Hadrian was keenly aware and understood that the Jews could never be defeated by force of arms alone. He believed that in order to defeat the Jews, he needed to break their spirit as well. He therefore embarked on a bitter campaign of severing the Jewish nexus to the Land of Israel. Among his many cruel edicts was the renaming of the city of Jerusalem to “Aelia Capitolina” and the Land of Israel to “Palestine.” While the former name was never accepted, the latter abominable renaming unfortunately stuck and over time supplanted the land’s historical and original naming.

To be clear, there has never in the history of mankind been a Palestinian state, a Palestinian capital, a distinct Palestinian language, currency or culture. In December 2011, Newt Gingrich noted this indisputable fact and made the following observation;

“Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community…”

...

The Only Book On Palestinian History You Will Ever Need To Read

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

Bureaucracy does not create peoples or nations.
But that seems to be Your only premise for the Palestinian nationality.

Palestinian nationality was created by treaty and international law.

But that didn't convince the Arabs to identify with such terms...Jews did

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

Bureaucracy does not create peoples or nations.
But that seems to be Your only premise for the Palestinian nationality.

Palestinian nationality was created by treaty and international law.

But that didn't create the People who identified with such terms...well accept for Jews.

True, the people were already there.

 

[rylah]

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

Bureaucracy does not create peoples or nations.
But that seems to be Your only premise for the Palestinian nationality.

Palestinian nationality was created by treaty and international law.

But that didn't create the People who identified with such terms...well accept for Jews.

True, the people were already there.

And among them were Palestinian Jews, they were the only ones identifying with such terms of an independent nation. The Arabs called for a Syrian nationality and territorial unity.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh good grief. Really?

"Voll's argument that the Palestinians are not a people because they are void of history isn't new – it is a mainstay of the Israeli right, which has claimed that Palestinian nationalism was invented by the Arab leaders in order to destroy Israel. In reality, Palestinian history goes back hundreds of years. What is relatively new, however, is Palestinian nationalism, which only began to appear in the early 20th century and coalesced into a national movement after 1948.

The argument used by the Israeli right seems to imply that a group may only call itself "a people" if it has always existed, which is false because all peoples have at one point or another come into being.

The argument is belied by the fact that there are actual histories of Palestine being sold on Amazon, which are longer and whose pages do contain text delineating this history. "The Palestinian People: A History" by Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal, "A History of Palestine: From the Ottoman Conquest to the Founding of the State of Israel" by Gudrun Krämer and Graham Harman and "The History of Palestine" by John Kitto are some examples."

Empty book on Palestinian history becomes instant best-seller on Amazon

Too easy.

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

Bureaucracy does not create peoples or nations.
But that seems to be Your only premise for the Palestinian nationality.

Palestinian nationality was created by treaty and international law.

But that didn't convince the Arabs to identify with such terms...Jews did

There weren't many Jews there at the time.

 

[rylah]

According to your own definition, there is an Israeli people now. It came into being in 1948. Even Muslims, like Mohammed Zoabi, consider themselves to be proud Israelis.

Ha! The nationality on his ID card does not say "Israeli."

Bureaucracy does not create peoples or nations.
But that seems to be Your only premise for the Palestinian nationality.

Palestinian nationality was created by treaty and international law.

But that didn't convince the Arabs to identify with such terms...Jews did

There weren't many Jews there at the time.

So what?
Probably the majority of those who identified with independent Palestine were the Jews, while the Arabs still didn't want any independent Palestine, they wanted it to be a part of and ruled by, another bigger Arab country, with its' heart in Damascus or Cairo.