No One Has a Right to Health Care

[ZackB]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

It worked so well. (sarcasm)

But, I agree that talk about "rights" is counterproductive and dishonest.

It worked as well as the ACA. Can you even articulate what was wrong with the pre-ACA healthcare system?

 

[regent]

It's those damn veterans lazing about in hospitals that started this welfare thing. Then to add insult, Washington, that's George, wanted to give some of the officers pensions. Add to that some of the states began taking care of their indigent even to taking care some of the younger kids that couldn't work. Of course, the kids that could work were rented out to employers during the day. A nation that begins like that is on its way to welfare heaven.

 

[Contumacious]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Reminds me of that "clever" crack of Reagan's about abortion, "I notice that everyone who's for abortion has already been born."

I notice everyone who's against healthcare for everyone else has no objection to taking care of themselves. Do any of them ever wonder what would have happened if their mothers hadn't had access to prenatal care, much less a safe delivery? What if they hadn't been able to see a doctor when they were growing up?

How many anti-vaxxers were vaccinated themselves growing up?

How many had access to dentists and eye doctors and hearing tests when they were growing up and would deny those things to others now?

Why do so many Americans want to replace "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" with "Mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme"?

I dont know if you have noticed that prior to 1935 Americans , prior to the socialist / berner state, American had access to health care provided that they paid for it themselves.


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[bendog]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

It worked so well. (sarcasm)

But, I agree that talk about "rights" is counterproductive and dishonest.

It worked as well as the ACA. Can you even articulate what was wrong with the pre-ACA healthcare system?

Yes, inflation was greater than it is even now, with as bad a system as Obamacare was. And, we weren't getting preventative care to those who needed it, and preventative care is the best tool to reducing overall costs. Look, face it. We'll never get rid of universal care. Stop whistling Dixie and vote for people who have ideas of how to improve universal care.

 

[Contumacious]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Rights are what we the People make them.

REALLY DO AMERICANS HAVE RIGHT TO STAND THEIR GROUND?

DO AMERICANS HAVE A RIGHT TO PREVENT THE BERNERS FROM STEALING FROM TAXPAYERS BY VIOLENT MEANS?


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[bendog]

It's those damn veterans lazing about in hospitals that started this welfare thing. Then to add insult, Washington, that's George, wanted to give some of the officers pensions. Add to that some of the states began taking care of their indigent even to taking care some of the younger kids that couldn't work. Of course, the kids that could work were rented out to employers during the day. A nation that begins like that is on its way to welfare heaven.

And smoking. If these selfish fcks would just start smoking again, they'd die, and there'd be more healthcare for me! (-:

 

[ScienceRocks]

We need single payer just like 90% of the rest of the first world. The op has an opinion and he thinks everyone should live a tough and hard life as people did in the 18th century, but we don't have too. We the people can make things better for ourselfs and this is why we must elect clinton or sanders!

 

[ScienceRocks]

It's those damn veterans lazing about in hospitals that started this welfare thing. Then to add insult, Washington, that's George, wanted to give some of the officers pensions. Add to that some of the states began taking care of their indigent even to taking care some of the younger kids that couldn't work. Of course, the kids that could work were rented out to employers during the day. A nation that begins like that is on its way to welfare heaven.

And smoking. If these selfish fcks would just start smoking again, they'd die, and there'd be more healthcare for me! (-:

But other people are effected by their choices through second hand smoke and billions in healthcare cost that aint paid back.

 

[ZackB]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

Then why do I remember that story of a couple people in Arizona who died because they weren't given heart transplants they couldn't afford?

It was 2 people. Anytime Obama, or any policy person, wants something they will dig up someone who is an example to support their cause. 2 people are not a reason to do something that causes our premiums to skyrocket. I have an individual policy and my premium has more than doubled since the ACA went into effect. There are tens of millions of examples of this happening to people.

Those 2 who could not get hearts? There is no way to know if the transplants would of even worked. Besides, I am sure that if we look into those stories there is probably more to them.

 

[ScienceRocks]

It's those damn veterans lazing about in hospitals that started this welfare thing. Then to add insult, Washington, that's George, wanted to give some of the officers pensions. Add to that some of the states began taking care of their indigent even to taking care some of the younger kids that couldn't work. Of course, the kids that could work were rented out to employers during the day. A nation that begins like that is on its way to welfare heaven.

I always think it's funny how the loserterian always uses the founders as one huge block of I hate government and we need super small government. lol There were founders that thought we needed a very powerful government and most thought that the federal government needed the power to tax and be above the states...This is why we have the Constitution we have today!!! And any attempt from the ones that didn't want this was defeated!!! If they believed that this power only belonged at the state level...Wouldn't they have done nothing in 1787????

 

[Contumacious]

It's those damn veterans lazing about in hospitals that started this welfare thing. Then to add insult, Washington, that's George, wanted to give some of the officers pensions. Add to that some of the states began taking care of their indigent even to taking care some of the younger kids that couldn't work. Of course, the kids that could work were rented out to employers during the day. A nation that begins like that is on its way to welfare heaven.

Veterans are a different matter.

The government has a constitutional duty to raise armies
Veterans who have been injured have a contractual right to be taken care of just like company XYZ may have a contractual right to pay for the health care of its employees.


That is entirety different from Comrade Sanders who proclaims to provide free healthcare if you just vote for him.


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[jillian]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

one should also ask why it matters if it's a "right" when it's the right thing to do.

the wingers forget that congress is allowed to do things for the general welfare.

 

[ZackB]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

It worked so well. (sarcasm)

But, I agree that talk about "rights" is counterproductive and dishonest.

It worked as well as the ACA. Can you even articulate what was wrong with the pre-ACA healthcare system?

Yes, inflation was greater than it is even now, with as bad a system as Obamacare was. And, we weren't getting preventative care to those who needed it, and preventative care is the best tool to reducing overall costs. Look, face it. We'll never get rid of universal care. Stop whistling Dixie and vote for people who have ideas of how to improve universal care.

Well, I disagree. You can have all of the preventative care you want just by taking care of yourself. Stop eating shit, stop smoking, stop having weird inter course with a lot of strangers, exercise, etc...

BTW, costs have not decreased. In addition, the ACA is already failing. Exchanges are collapsing, debt is escalating, doctors are leaving their practices. Moreover, what good is coverage for a low-income person when they have a $5K deductible? It is tantamount to having NO coverage.

You must be a woman because you are talking with your heart and not your brain.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

Then why do I remember that story of a couple people in Arizona who died because they weren't given heart transplants they couldn't afford?

That is what the private unregulated sector does to people rather you have cash or not. Most people don't have a few hundred thousand bucks laying around...The conservatives fucking know it.

 

[Jackson]

I don't recall the streets being riddled with sickly or dead people before ACA. There has always been Medicaid and Charities to take care of the poor.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

Then why do I remember that story of a couple people in Arizona who died because they weren't given heart transplants they couldn't afford?

It was 2 people. Anytime Obama, or any policy person, wants something they will dig up someone who is an example to support their cause. 2 people are not a reason to do something that causes our premiums to skyrocket. I have an individual policy and my premium has more than doubled since the ACA went into effect. There are tens of millions of examples of this happening to people.

Those 2 who could not get hearts? There is no way to know if the transplants would of even worked. Besides, I am sure that if we look into those stories there is probably more to them.

Listen, Doogie. Hospitals are only required to give you emergency care if you can't pay.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

if there is a right to healthcare, food, housing, transportation etc.. simply because you were born, and that care comes at the expense of others, then I say we have a right to tell you if you are allowed to have children or not. very simple.

 

[Contumacious]

Bernie is advocating slavery to the state, he should just move to North Korea he would be much happier.

EXACTLY.

BUT ALL THE LAWS NECESSARY AND PROPER FOR OPERATING A SOCIALIST STATE WERE ADOPTED BY THE DEMOPUBLICANS.


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[jillian]

I don't recall the streets being riddled with sickly or dead people before ACA. There has always been Medicaid and Charities to take care of the poor.

riiiiiiiight.... it was only that more than 50% of our bankruptcies were the result of unanticipated medical expenses.

and the minute people got sick and actually needed their insurance, they got canceled...

and when people lost their jobs (assuming the job provided coverage) they had to pay COBRA which was essentially unaffordable to anyone who just lost a job.

 

[Contumacious]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

AND THAT WAS WRONG.

IN OUR CONSTITUTIONALFORM OF GOVERNMENT NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO COMPEL TAXPAYERS AND PRODUCERS TO PROVIDE THEM WITH SOMETHING.


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So everyone but you should die. No need to SHOUT.

SINCE AND I AM ARGUING WITH STUPID FUCKS THERE IS A NEED TO SHOUT.

WERE PEOPLE DYING BEFORE THE SOCIALIST REVOLUTION OF 1935?

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