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That's incorrect. US Notes were put into circulation until 1971. They were never "recalled" by any President.

United States Note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EO 11110 does not still stand. It was eliminated by President Reagan in 1987.

The text that had been added to E.O. 10289 by E.O. 11110 remained on the books until President Ronald Reagan issued Executive Order 12608 on September 9, 1987 as part of a general clean-up of executive orders. Executive Order 12608 revoked subparagraph (j) of paragraph 1 of Executive Order 10289, as amended by Executive Order 11110.[15] Thus, E.O. 12608 specifically revoked the relevant portion of E.O. 10289 that had been added by E.O. 11110. This action effectively revoked E.O. 11110. By this time, however, the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11110 had been repealed by Congress when Pub.L. 97–258 was passed in 1982.

Executive Order 11110 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think what we have here is a mixing of truth and lies. I stand by my statements because when I wrote them, they were incontrovertible. Now it seems as you have found there much information on the web to the contrary. I think we are see a re-writing of history which always has be a goal of the Zionists. in any case, if you got to: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread261533/pg1: You will read, "Yes they were circulated. About 4.2 billion worth of this currency was in the public hands before JFK's assassination. One day after Kennedy was murdered all of the notes were recalled. Banks were ordered to send them back for destruction but a few survived in the hands of collectors."

Or to: JFK and Executive Order 11110: and read "On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificates were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank. His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment. As America's debt reaches unbearable levels and one conflict after another emerges in Bosnia, then Afghanistan, Iraq and threatens in Iran, each of which has further increased America's debt, one is force to ask, which President will have the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 11110 and, if so, is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?"

So who is lying? Who the hell knows, but what I do know is that Zionists are masters at it.

Yes they were circulated. About 4.2 billion worth of this currency was in the public hands before JFK's assassination. One day after Kennedy was murdered all of the notes were recalled.

As I've shown, that's not the case.

The Coinage Act of 1965 eliminated the use of silver in dimes and quarters and reduced the silver content of half dollars. In 1967, silver coins were withdrawn from circulation, and holders of silver certificates were given 1 year, until June 24, 1968, to redeem the certificates for silver.

June 24, 1968 was a bit more than one day after Kennedy was murdered.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificates were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything.

Ummmmmm.......

I again urge a revision in our silver policy to reflect the status of silver as a metal for which there is an expanding industrial demand. Except for its use in coins, silver serves no useful monetary function.

In 1961, at my direction, sales of silver were suspended by the Secretary of the Treasury. As further steps, I recommend repeal of those Acts that oblige the Treasury to support the price of silver; and repeal of the special 50-percent tax on transfers of interest in silver and authorization for the Federal Reserve System to issue notes in denominations of $1, so as to make possible the gradual withdrawal of silver certificates from circulation and the use of the silver thus released for coinage purposes. I urge the Congress to take prompt action on these recommended changes.

You see, silver was above $1.29 an ounce. Kennedy was replacing silver certificates with FRNs. Not the reverse.

Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money.

Right, because having your silver redeemed for silver certificates only works once.
How many ounces of silver did they hold? Unless it was trillions, our debt would still be ridiculous.
And where did you get the silly idea that the government pays interest on FRNs from the Fed?

The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid.

As I showed, Reagan repealed it in 1987.

Why then has no president utilized it?

Because if silver is above $1.29 an ounce, it would be a money loser.

So who is lying?

You.

Toddsterpatriot: Once again you are throwing a whole bunch of crap on the table, so once again I will ignore you. If all you can do is chop up an argument and offer your unsubstantiated quips in rebuttal, then please go somewhere else to waste everybody's time. I really to hate to foist you off on some other poor soul, but the discussions here are too important to have you garbageing them up.
 
TNHarley: So there are three kinds of people in the world; evil Muslims, Jews who profess Christian values, and the rest of mankind which has to bear the burden of the cost of creating the state of Israel. Close to 100 million people have suffered early and horrible deaths as a price exacted on the world so Israel can exist. Isn't it time to try something else other than killing and war.

Toddsterpatriot: And for everyone you shoot in the head 20 more terrorists are created. And for every one of the 20 new terrorists shot in the head 400 more are created then 8,000, then 60,000, etc. Pretty soon we are going to run out of bullets. The are people no better then us, except for the Spanish Inquisition, My Lai, Agent Orange, WWI, etc., etc., ad naseum. We are not angels. No one is. But we are supposed to be a Christian nation and a Christian nation does not demonize and assist in the ethnic cleansing of innocent and blameless people (the Palestinians).






Care to provide a link supporting your claim that 100 million have been killed so Israel can exist. I can show that 50 million were murdered so that islam could steal another nations land and call it their own.
Then a link showing the alleged "ethnic cleansing" of Palestinians and how they are innocent and blameless when they started the wars to wipe out the Jews starting in 1921.


Ya got me! The 100 million was a quick out of my head guess. I'll go with the 50 million. One-Hundred million or fifty million. it all borscht anyway. No one cares about millions of people being murdered. What is really important is watching Dancing With the Stars.





You don't understand thast the muslims mass murdered 50 million in 1946 so they could force the theft of land from the Indians. It is a muslim practise to mass murder in the furtherance of their world domination. It is not in Israel's book to mass murder so that it can exist, and the figure is around 60,000 killed by Israel defending its right to exist.
As for ethnic cleansing look no further than the ethnic cleansing of Christians from Palestine by hamas and fatah, a 90% drop in population since 2007.
 
And the Zionist , the evilest of all. Secular Jews created communism.

Well Ahmed, Marx became the leading voice of Communism, but the ideas he promoted were from the Fabians and other socialist societies of England and France. The first instantiation of Communism was Vladimir Lenin, born Russian Orthodox. And then the great evil of Joseph Stalin, who went to seminary to become a Priest.

As a Muslim, you hate Jews. But to decent people, the Zionists drained the salt marshes and made the desert bloom. Hardly evil. Sure, you may not see that as a big accomplishment like cutting the heads off of innocent people in the name of Ba'al, like you Muzzie Beasts do, but to rational people, what the Jews did was good thing. You Muslims, not so much...

Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.
 
The following is a quote from Winston Churchill about Muslims in his book The River War published in 1899:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; *and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

Suppose we grant all of what you have said as being true. What is the solution to where the world is today. Do you hold that the only solution to the Muslim questions is to exterminate them all as some on this board have suggested. If these people really are the animals you portray, is it and act of wisdom or an act of shear stupidity and ignorance to place, within their midst, a religion which is just are repugnant to them as their religion is to you. I say again, the creation of the State of Israel is the greatest blunder in the history of mankind and the world has paid a horrible and terrible price because of the blunder. Where do we go from here? Turn the United States into an avenging angel and exterminate them all? Apparently this the path that the creators of Israel have placed us on to the satisfaction and applause of many who haunt this thread. I for one want to see a peaceful and just world. The first place to start on this path is to get Israel to grant full and equal citizenship to the Palestinian. Anything else is pure tyranny and once this is accomplished, perhaps then we will better be able to judge just how despicable how Muslims are.





When hamas and fatah grant Jews full and equal citizenship of Palestine and hold free and fair elections, and the US allows everyone in the world the right to vote for its president than you might get your wish. I cant see how any civilised and intelligent person can push for the citizens of one country being given the right to vote in another nations elections and not see the problem that this will cause. Palestine has its own government and the citizens have the right to elect its government. Israel does not have the right to elect the government of Palestine and has not tried to.

Make islam illegal in the west and punishable by deportation to any Islamic hell hole and you will see an end to the worlds problems
 
Dear: Mossfly

The order allowed the Secretary to issue silver certificates, if any were needed, during the transition period under President Kennedy's plan to eliminate Silver Certificates and use Federal Reserve Notes

What you just said is a Zionist lie aid the cover up of our murdered beloved President. Why did we need a special executive order to issue Silver Certificates to transition to Federal Reserve Notes when we had been using silver certificates right along. Also, why have a transition period at all. First there were silver certificates and then there were none. Who gave a rats ass if this happened sooner or later. It happened, and at the time, nobody noticed or cared because everyone thought the Federal Reserve Bank was a part of the Federal Government and not am foreign banking cartel.

Funny how citizen Achmed dehumanizes Jews and blames all the evil in the world on them, while claiming "Muslims are humans too".

I guess Citizen Achmed has never heard of the Golden Rule, treat others as you expect to be treated.






I prefer the other version

Do unto others before they do unto you.
Or the Israeli version.

Do unto others then mooch more guns.





Which you have never shown to be the case using unbiased and non partisan sources
 

Funny how citizen Achmed dehumanizes Jews and blames all the evil in the world on them, while claiming "Muslims are humans too".

I guess Citizen Achmed has never heard of the Golden Rule, treat others as you expect to be treated.






I prefer the other version

Do unto others before they do unto you.
Or the Israeli version.

Do unto others then mooch more guns.
Let's put it this way, if Israelis had the same intentions for the Palestinians that they do towards the Israelis, there wouldn't be a single Palestinian left alive today. Yet the Israelis have treated them better than any other Arab nation has, and Palestinian population has multiplied exponentially. Go figure.
Bulldozing homes, poisoning crops, and bombing schools is better than they are treated by Arab countries?

Could you provide some links?






Can you to your false claims of poisoning crops and bombing schools that have been shown to be islamonazi LIES. And the Geneva conventions allow homes to be bulldozed if they are used for military actions including terrorism.
 
say again, the creation of the State of Israel is the greatest blunder in the history of mankind and the world has paid a horrible and terrible price because of the blunder. Where do we go from here?

It might seem a reasonable compromise to allow the Muslims control of Israel if it were not for the inconvenient fact the the Muslims' stated and apparent goal is domination of the entire Earth , by means as brutal to any who resist them as have been known to history . There is no shortage of documentation of this having been taking place for centuries , spanning territories on several continents , thankfully , not yet the Americas . Churchill had it right .
 
And the Zionist , the evilest of all. Secular Jews created communism.

Well Ahmed, Marx became the leading voice of Communism, but the ideas he promoted were from the Fabians and other socialist societies of England and France. The first instantiation of Communism was Vladimir Lenin, born Russian Orthodox. And then the great evil of Joseph Stalin, who went to seminary to become a Priest.

As a Muslim, you hate Jews. But to decent people, the Zionists drained the salt marshes and made the desert bloom. Hardly evil. Sure, you may not see that as a big accomplishment like cutting the heads off of innocent people in the name of Ba'al, like you Muzzie Beasts do, but to rational people, what the Jews did was good thing. You Muslims, not so much...

Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.
 
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That's incorrect. US Notes were put into circulation until 1971. They were never "recalled" by any President.

United States Note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EO 11110 does not still stand. It was eliminated by President Reagan in 1987.

The text that had been added to E.O. 10289 by E.O. 11110 remained on the books until President Ronald Reagan issued Executive Order 12608 on September 9, 1987 as part of a general clean-up of executive orders. Executive Order 12608 revoked subparagraph (j) of paragraph 1 of Executive Order 10289, as amended by Executive Order 11110.[15] Thus, E.O. 12608 specifically revoked the relevant portion of E.O. 10289 that had been added by E.O. 11110. This action effectively revoked E.O. 11110. By this time, however, the remaining legislative authority behind E.O. 11110 had been repealed by Congress when Pub.L. 97–258 was passed in 1982.

Executive Order 11110 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think what we have here is a mixing of truth and lies. I stand by my statements because when I wrote them, they were incontrovertible. Now it seems as you have found there much information on the web to the contrary. I think we are see a re-writing of history which always has be a goal of the Zionists. in any case, if you got to: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread261533/pg1: You will read, "Yes they were circulated. About 4.2 billion worth of this currency was in the public hands before JFK's assassination. One day after Kennedy was murdered all of the notes were recalled. Banks were ordered to send them back for destruction but a few survived in the hands of collectors."

Or to: JFK and Executive Order 11110: and read "On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificates were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank. His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment. As America's debt reaches unbearable levels and one conflict after another emerges in Bosnia, then Afghanistan, Iraq and threatens in Iran, each of which has further increased America's debt, one is force to ask, which President will have the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 11110 and, if so, is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?"

So who is lying? Who the hell knows, but what I do know is that Zionists are masters at it.

Yes they were circulated. About 4.2 billion worth of this currency was in the public hands before JFK's assassination. One day after Kennedy was murdered all of the notes were recalled.

As I've shown, that's not the case.

The Coinage Act of 1965 eliminated the use of silver in dimes and quarters and reduced the silver content of half dollars. In 1967, silver coins were withdrawn from circulation, and holders of silver certificates were given 1 year, until June 24, 1968, to redeem the certificates for silver.

June 24, 1968 was a bit more than one day after Kennedy was murdered.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificates were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything.

Ummmmmm.......

I again urge a revision in our silver policy to reflect the status of silver as a metal for which there is an expanding industrial demand. Except for its use in coins, silver serves no useful monetary function.

In 1961, at my direction, sales of silver were suspended by the Secretary of the Treasury. As further steps, I recommend repeal of those Acts that oblige the Treasury to support the price of silver; and repeal of the special 50-percent tax on transfers of interest in silver and authorization for the Federal Reserve System to issue notes in denominations of $1, so as to make possible the gradual withdrawal of silver certificates from circulation and the use of the silver thus released for coinage purposes. I urge the Congress to take prompt action on these recommended changes.

You see, silver was above $1.29 an ounce. Kennedy was replacing silver certificates with FRNs. Not the reverse.

Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money.

Right, because having your silver redeemed for silver certificates only works once.
How many ounces of silver did they hold? Unless it was trillions, our debt would still be ridiculous.
And where did you get the silly idea that the government pays interest on FRNs from the Fed?

The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid.

As I showed, Reagan repealed it in 1987.

Why then has no president utilized it?

Because if silver is above $1.29 an ounce, it would be a money loser.

So who is lying?

You.

Toddsterpatriot: Once again you are throwing a whole bunch of crap on the table, so once again I will ignore you. If all you can do is chop up an argument and offer your unsubstantiated quips in rebuttal, then please go somewhere else to waste everybody's time. I really to hate to foist you off on some other poor soul, but the discussions here are too important to have you garbageing them up.

Toddsterpatriot: Once again you are throwing a whole bunch of crap on the table,

Yes, calmly refuting the errors in your posts is like throwing crap. LOL!

If all you can do is chop up an argument and offer your unsubstantiated quips in rebuttal

My rebuttals to your unsubstantiated quips are quite real.
For instance, do you have proof the silver certificates were recalled the day after JFK was killed?
I mean, from a real source.
Or proof that EO 11110 is still valid?
Can you show the math that proves issuing a few billion in silver certificates would fix our $18 trillion debt.
Or that the Treasury pays interest to the Fed for FRNs.
Or that the public pays interest on their FRNs.
Or that Kennedy intended silver certificates to replace all FRNs, instead of the reverse.

then please go somewhere else to waste everybody's time.

It's never a waste of time to correct even a small part of your error filled screeds.
 
And the Zionist , the evilest of all. Secular Jews created communism.

Well Ahmed, Marx became the leading voice of Communism, but the ideas he promoted were from the Fabians and other socialist societies of England and France. The first instantiation of Communism was Vladimir Lenin, born Russian Orthodox. And then the great evil of Joseph Stalin, who went to seminary to become a Priest.

As a Muslim, you hate Jews. But to decent people, the Zionists drained the salt marshes and made the desert bloom. Hardly evil. Sure, you may not see that as a big accomplishment like cutting the heads off of innocent people in the name of Ba'al, like you Muzzie Beasts do, but to rational people, what the Jews did was good thing. You Muslims, not so much...

Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.
 
And the Zionist , the evilest of all. Secular Jews created communism.

Well Ahmed, Marx became the leading voice of Communism, but the ideas he promoted were from the Fabians and other socialist societies of England and France. The first instantiation of Communism was Vladimir Lenin, born Russian Orthodox. And then the great evil of Joseph Stalin, who went to seminary to become a Priest.

As a Muslim, you hate Jews. But to decent people, the Zionists drained the salt marshes and made the desert bloom. Hardly evil. Sure, you may not see that as a big accomplishment like cutting the heads off of innocent people in the name of Ba'al, like you Muzzie Beasts do, but to rational people, what the Jews did was good thing. You Muslims, not so much...

Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.
 
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Well Ahmed, Marx became the leading voice of Communism, but the ideas he promoted were from the Fabians and other socialist societies of England and France. The first instantiation of Communism was Vladimir Lenin, born Russian Orthodox. And then the great evil of Joseph Stalin, who went to seminary to become a Priest.

As a Muslim, you hate Jews. But to decent people, the Zionists drained the salt marshes and made the desert bloom. Hardly evil. Sure, you may not see that as a big accomplishment like cutting the heads off of innocent people in the name of Ba'al, like you Muzzie Beasts do, but to rational people, what the Jews did was good thing. You Muslims, not so much...

Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.

Jew blooded

Wow! Sounds serious. If an atheist Jew blooded communist converts to Islam, is he still Jew blooded?
 
Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.

Jew blooded

Wow! Sounds serious. If an atheist Jew blooded communist converts to Islam, is he still Jew blooded?

Lenin's Jewish roots confirmed

It just depends on who one asks, according so some Jews, no one knows, I say if they speak Yiddish, they are Yiddish, remember Hebrew language died even before the time of 1AD, few spoke it. I think PM Bibi wants an "all Jewish State" of course what does it mean "jew" it use to be someone from Judea that practiced the torah Judaism.
 
So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.

Jew blooded

Wow! Sounds serious. If an atheist Jew blooded communist converts to Islam, is he still Jew blooded?

Lenin's Jewish roots confirmed

It just depends on who one asks, according so some Jews, no one knows, I say if they speak Yiddish, they are Yiddish, remember Hebrew language died even before the time of 1AD, few spoke it. I think PM Bibi wants an "all Jewish State" of course what does it mean "jew" it use to be someone from Judea that practiced the torah Judaism.

It just depends on who one asks


I'm asking you.
 
Well Ahmed, Marx became the leading voice of Communism, but the ideas he promoted were from the Fabians and other socialist societies of England and France. The first instantiation of Communism was Vladimir Lenin, born Russian Orthodox. And then the great evil of Joseph Stalin, who went to seminary to become a Priest.

As a Muslim, you hate Jews. But to decent people, the Zionists drained the salt marshes and made the desert bloom. Hardly evil. Sure, you may not see that as a big accomplishment like cutting the heads off of innocent people in the name of Ba'al, like you Muzzie Beasts do, but to rational people, what the Jews did was good thing. You Muslims, not so much...

Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.






So he was a RACIAL JEW as you have admitted, because that is what Jew blooded means. And how about a link showing that he was a Jew as all the biographies I have read put him as a Catholic
 
Vladimir Lenin was an atheist jew . The Zionist had money behind them, and the desert was blooming before they arrived.





So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.

Jew blooded

Wow! Sounds serious. If an atheist Jew blooded communist converts to Islam, is he still Jew blooded?





Yes he is still a racial Jew, that has converted to islam. Just as an arab muslim that converts to communism is still an arab
 
So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.

Jew blooded

Wow! Sounds serious. If an atheist Jew blooded communist converts to Islam, is he still Jew blooded?

Lenin's Jewish roots confirmed

It just depends on who one asks, according so some Jews, no one knows, I say if they speak Yiddish, they are Yiddish, remember Hebrew language died even before the time of 1AD, few spoke it. I think PM Bibi wants an "all Jewish State" of course what does it mean "jew" it use to be someone from Judea that practiced the torah Judaism.






So his mothers father was a Jew, this does not mean that Lenin was a Jew. And if you read your link it states that he was a Catholic descended from a convert to Catholicism twice removed. So he is what could be called a quarter breed, as his mother would have been 50% Jewish, making him 25% Jewish BY RACE OR BLOOD ALONE.


Yiu are in such a rush to demonise the Jews that your thoughts are clouded to facts and reality
 
So you are saying that Lenin was an atheist racial Jew, nice of you to admit that Jew is a race.

Correct the desert was blooming because the Jews already there made it bloom, the arab muslims found the work unpalatable and so kept leaving Palestine until the Jews from urope arrived at the Ottomans request.

No I said he was an atheist Jew. Jew is not a race, but what started as a religion has pretty much turned into a "ethnic culture, minus the God part". The Zionist sent poor jews there in about 1850 to dig wells and build roads, with Rothschild money, and any other money they could mooch off the rich jews at the time. Muslims are people who practice Islam, otherwise they are the same as most of the jews, Semites, although I think jews minus Judaism are no different than Arabs, only since jews consider themselves as Semites.





Then what context are you calling him a Jew. If a Catholic renounces his faith he is no longer a catholic, if a muslims renounces islam he is dead man walking. So how could he be a Jew if he had renounced his religion. For the record he was the son of Catholics and gave up his religion for a short time, only to go back once he had reached the top of the communist party.

No he was an atheist Jew blooded communist. Never was anything else. Where do you get your info!!

Sherwin Wine is the Father of Humanist Judaism, you know Judaism without God, but it has been that way for centuries , jews didn't believe in God, most of them anyway. Its a tradition, a culture. He was never anything but a communist, from jew parents.

Jew blooded

Wow! Sounds serious. If an atheist Jew blooded communist converts to Islam, is he still Jew blooded?

Lenin's Jewish roots confirmed

It just depends on who one asks, according so some Jews, no one knows, I say if they speak Yiddish, they are Yiddish, remember Hebrew language died even before the time of 1AD, few spoke it. I think PM Bibi wants an "all Jewish State" of course what does it mean "jew" it use to be someone from Judea that practiced the torah Judaism.






So I can speak German, French, Latin and English what does this make me based on your criteria ?


Once again you deflect to RACIALLY DEMONISE the Jews by making false claims on what is meant by "the Jewish state". Try reading the LoN mandates and the UN resolutions for what the meaning of the Jewish state is. Don't forget if you win this battle then there can not be any Islamic states, or communist ones either
 
Needless to say, this thread has stirred up a lot of interest and controversy. However, as things progress and more and more posts are made, the fundamental message of this thread tends to get lost in the shuffle. For this reason, as the author of this thread, I am stepping in to restate my position.

Before proceeding I wish to clarify who I am. First of all, I am none of the terrible things some of you have accused me of being. Sure of this, none of your accusations bother me because I know they are said out of desperation and ignorance; the desperation and ignorance of those who know they are wrong and resort to disparagement and name calling to discredit an argument they are at a loss to counter.

First and foremost, I am a Christian. And because I am a Christian, I also am an American. Not an American as exemplified by being a “citizen” of this Nation, but an American because the government bequeathed us by the founders is a reflection of Christian values and thinking. And to clear up a grave misconception in this regard, there is nothing Judeo about the government we lost. Christianity is a religion of principles and ideals foreign to Judaism and the two do not mix.

We live in terrible times. The world is on a slippery slope and sliding into chaos at an every increasing rate. Our civilization reached its peak when man walked on the moon in 1969, but unbeknownst at the time, the actual downhill slide began in 1913, concurrent with passage of the Federal Reserve act. Today we look at the world and see that it is at the end of its rope financially, morally, militarily, and environmentally. The question is what can be done to reverse this situation and save ourselves? The answer to this question should be obvious. First and foremost, we must put an end to war. This is very easy to say, but in consideration of the fact that the world has been at war for the past 100 years, it is difficult to do.

The prime thing which must be done to rid the world of war is to reintroduce truth and justice into the affairs of man. Wars are fought on lies and a prime motivation for them is the perpetuation of injustice. This being true, it also should be obvious that if we are going to put an end to war, the best solution which can be found is Jesus. Oops! Most of you thought I sounded good up to now, but have just tipped my hand as being a religious screwball. Nothing is further from the truth, because I am not asking anyone to accept the divinity of Jesus. However, what I am asking is that people realize that our salvation as human beings on planet earth depends upon subscribing to the principles Jesus taught in his ministry; all men are created equal and to do unto others as we wish them do unto us. I do not think anyone who is honest and cares about their fellow men would disagree with this.

There are three major religions in the world; Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. While many practicing Christians pay lip service to Christian principles, they have put them aside because of the wars we are fighting. Christianity stands apart from both Judaism and Islam because of the same reasons. They both believe God demands adherents to obey the rules (God’s laws). They also hold that non-believers are something less than believers. This being the case, non-believers are afforded none of benefits and protections which God offers those who believe. Where does this leave us? The answer is that it leaves us with the world within which we present live.

We cannot rid the world of religion based governments and this being so; we cannot rid the world of the terrible things that some Jews and Muslims hold to be true because of the respective writings of their religions. However, what we should do is not support the establishment of countries with religion based governments. However, because the reality of our situation is that the Zionist bankers control our government, this Nation has been fighting wars for Israel’s benefit and there is no end in sight to these wars.

At this point it is important to grasp and understand the true nature of our monetary system. In two words, it is a scam and fraud. It is a scam and fraud because it allows the criminals who own it to siphon and take huge amounts of money from the people of this Nation while giving us nothing in return. When someone robs a bank, they take people’s money and do nothing to earn it. The Federal Reserve does exactly the same thing. They take people’s money and do nothing to earn it. However there is a difference. Robbing banks is illegal. Robbing the wealth of Nation should also be illegal. However, it is not because our corrupt and compromised Congress made this fraud legal through passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913.

It should now be clear what must be done to save our world from the greed and hate which drive world events. First and foremost, Congress must repeal and repudiate the fraudulent and unconstitutional Federal Reserve Act. Secondly, those responsible for perpetuating these crimes against humanity should be arrested and brought to justice. Once accomplished, the world powers and governing bodies should un-create the rogue monster nation we forced upon the Muslim world. This can be accomplished by bringing sanctions against Israel, until they grant full and equal citizenship to all the peoples within its borders and extend the right of return to all those who were wrongfully forced from the homes and lands of their forefathers.

To many Americans and citizens of Israel, my proposals are difficult to swallow. However, swallow them they must if we are going to put an end to war and have a peaceful planet where justice and good will toward men is the order of the day.
 
TNT sends non-Believers to the Eternal Lake of Hell.
Neither Judaism nor Islam do such.
Read TNT BEFORE you post.
 
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