Log of Liberal Lies

[ConservaDerrps]

So, who here lives in California and is going to refute my assertion about the highways? huh? Tell you what, Fuck-os, I can drive about 5 minutes up the road to a freeway that's being worked on right now, as we speak, on a Sunday.

What a bunch of fucking idiots.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

I live in California. The freeways here have been getting massive work done on them for a couple years now. There were plenty of "shovel" ready jobs, and our freeways all over the state were in massive needs of repairs and widening.

So if anyone living in the state tells you the projects have not being going on, and have not been improving our highways, you can consider them massive fucking liars; because they are.

and what's yer deficit out there in shtty california?

You do realize how the two aren't really related right? The road work being done is being paid for in large part by the Federal funds from the stimulus. Maybe if it had been bigger, more states could benefit from it too. Oh well, WE WIN AGAIN!

 

[Intense]

The problem is that those tax dollars are not spent on infrastructure projects that kick start the economy. The stimulus could have worked... it didn't... for precisely that reason. The money was thrown at pet projects and billions of dollars were literally thrown away. It added no real value to the economy. We cannot afford to do that again. It absolutely does make a difference where that money comes from... if it comes at the price of debt, then that debt defeats the benefit of spending it.... The American taxpayer is not a bottomless pit of money. Your grandchildren will despise you for your greed.

The funds were spent to grow Government bureaucracy and embellish the pockets of Obama's friends including the Unions.

Proof? All those contactors building and repairing roads and bridges in CA and around the country might disagree with 'your' assessment.

Come on Wry, Be real, since when is that not done? Since when is money not appropriated for maintenance?

 

[Intense]

I live in California. The freeways here have been getting massive work done on them for a couple years now. There were plenty of "shovel" ready jobs, and our freeways all over the state were in massive needs of repairs and widening.

So if anyone living in the state tells you the projects have not being going on, and have not been improving our highways, you can consider them massive fucking liars; because they are.

and what's yer deficit out there in shtty california?

You do realize how the two aren't really related right? The road work being done is being paid for in large part by the Federal funds from the stimulus. Maybe if it had been bigger, more states could benefit from it too. Oh well, WE WIN AGAIN!

Why is it exactly that the interest on borrowed money does not concern you?

 

[The T]

The funds were spent to grow Government bureaucracy and embellish the pockets of Obama's friends including the Unions.

Proof? All those contactors building and repairing roads and bridges in CA and around the country might disagree with 'your' assessment.

Come on Wry, Be real, since when is that not done? Since when is money not appropriated for maintenance?

Isn't that what they tell us the 'GAS TAX' is for?

 

[peach174]

I live in California. The freeways here have been getting massive work done on them for a couple years now. There were plenty of "shovel" ready jobs, and our freeways all over the state were in massive needs of repairs and widening.

So if anyone living in the state tells you the projects have not being going on, and have not been improving our highways, you can consider them massive fucking liars; because they are.

and what's yer deficit out there in shtty california?

You do realize how the two aren't really related right? The road work being done is being paid for in large part by the Federal funds from the stimulus. Maybe if it had been bigger, more states could benefit from it too. Oh well, WE WIN AGAIN!

No it's not, Wry's link says most of them are being funded by traditional tax and bond measures. Some by the Feds.

 

[Billo_Really]

Proof? All those contactors building and repairing roads and bridges in CA and around the country might disagree with 'your' assessment.

You mean "contractor". Contactor is part of a motor starter.

Contractor builds the bridges.




Sorry, I just wanted to be dick this morning!

 

[Wry Catcher]

The funds were spent to grow Government bureaucracy and embellish the pockets of Obama's friends including the Unions.

Proof? All those contactors building and repairing roads and bridges in CA and around the country might disagree with 'your' assessment.

Come on Wry, Be real, since when is that not done? Since when is money not appropriated for maintenance?

At the moment the Highway Bill is stuck in partisan purgatory.

That said, pot holes are not being repaired as Cities and Counties in CA and I suspect around the nation are broke. Contractors are not hired so minor repairs are done by local public works employees - which are many times understaffed - and true maintenance is kicked down the road. The danger being when roads begin to deteriorate they do so rapidly when minor repairs are not made timely. A small hole filled with water which freezes expands again and again.

I don't get it. As a homeowner I make sure the roof is watertight, the gutters do what gutters are supposed to do and the wood and stucco are protected from the sun by good quality paint. It seems some members of Congress are willing to allow similar necessities to our nation infrastructure to weather without protection. The costs to repair and replace what could have been maintained for pennies is foolish.

 

[The T]

and what's yer deficit out there in shtty california?

You do realize how the two aren't really related right? The road work being done is being paid for in large part by the Federal funds from the stimulus. Maybe if it had been bigger, more states could benefit from it too. Oh well, WE WIN AGAIN!

Why is it exactly that the interest on borrowed money does not concern you?

And the Tally that grows worse than any Saturday Mantinee featured monster...but this one is REAL...

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Yeah just TAX the rich more...

Welcome to the new Slavery.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Proof? All those contactors building and repairing roads and bridges in CA and around the country might disagree with 'your' assessment.

You mean "contractor". Contactor is part of a motor starter.

Contractor builds the bridges.




Sorry, I just wanted to be dick this morning!

No need to apologize, we all need to proof our work. Of course "contactor" could mean a person who makes contact with others, hence, a contractor who contacted the agency who put forth the RFP.

When I was interviewing candidates for employment I learned a new word. The first candidate who used the 'word' coverstate caused us on the panel to smile. Once the interview was over we all sort of laughed at what we believed was a made up word. By the end of the day no less than five other candidates used the word conversate making the three of us feel very old.

BTW, spell check does not recognize the word conversate - yet.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You do realize how the two aren't really related right? The road work being done is being paid for in large part by the Federal funds from the stimulus. Maybe if it had been bigger, more states could benefit from it too. Oh well, WE WIN AGAIN!

Why is it exactly that the interest on borrowed money does not concern you?

And the Tally that grows worse than any Saturday Mantinee featured monster...but this one is REAL...

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Yeah just TAX the rich more...

Welcome to the new Slavery.

So your solution seems to be to cut jobs and put more Americans out of work. Don't you see the consequences of such a policy?

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Only a bonafide idiot, with no actual idea of how economic policies work, would compare taxing the rich at a rate comparable to what they were paying under Clinton to slavery. Seriously. I massive, massive fucking idiot would do that, but no one else would.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

and what's yer deficit out there in shtty california?

You do realize how the two aren't really related right? The road work being done is being paid for in large part by the Federal funds from the stimulus. Maybe if it had been bigger, more states could benefit from it too. Oh well, WE WIN AGAIN!

Why is it exactly that the interest on borrowed money does not concern you?

Why? Because infrastructure improvement keeps commerce going, that's why. I know that maybe people on the Right would be fine with dirt roads and busted up highways and all, but let's see how long trucks can carry goods across state lines in 1925-era road conditions. The fact is that among industrialized nations, our infrastructure is pretty much among the lowest of the lows.

All those GOVERNMENT ASSHOLE WORKERS that we laid off to save money? Problem is a bunch of them were hired to make sure your shocks and struts don't blow out driving to the store for milk. I know that Right Wingers don't care about such things, but for the rest of us, that kind of shit matters.

 

[Wry Catcher]

and what's yer deficit out there in shtty california?

You do realize how the two aren't really related right? The road work being done is being paid for in large part by the Federal funds from the stimulus. Maybe if it had been bigger, more states could benefit from it too. Oh well, WE WIN AGAIN!

No it's not, Wry's link says most of them are being funded by traditional tax and bond measures. Some by the Feds.

Funding for all of these projects are blended with Federal Dollars (Revenue Sharing and Stimulus dollars) and State Dollars from revenue from taxes on vehicles, fuel and the general fund, and local bond measures and sales tax increases.

The private sector bids on the contracts (see who the GC is on the link) who hire subs, uses private sector employees many of whom are union (operating engineers, carpenters, teamsters, etc.) and earn a good wage with good benefits.

Next, consider what these employees do with the money they earn. Is it put into off-shore accounts? Not likely.

I suspect the crane operator pays his mortgage, buys food at markets and in restaurants and buys insurance on his home. Likely he purchased a work vehicle, a Ford, Chevy, Dodge or Toyota PU from a dealer in his community.

I also suspect he (or she) uses a second car, maybe a hybrid (and soon maybe a Volt) for short trips to the movies or a sporting event or the mall where more of his earnings circulate in the economy.

Isn't this obvious?

 

[peach174]

It's all of the entitlement programs that are taking away the money for infrastructure improvements.
It's not right to saddle the debt problem onto our children and grandchildren.
They are the ones who will have to pay the debt off. They will be working and handing over most of their earnings for this. They won't be able to pay for anything at all, like their own homes or even be able to get married, let alone have children themselves.

It's like going into a restaurant and paying for a couple's bill, that was not paid for years back. This is not right.
The older generation will reap the rewards and the young will have to pay for it and they will get nothing.

 

[BDBoop]

Entitlement for corporations, yes. Corporate welfare.

 

[The T]

It's all of the entitlement programs that are taking away the money for infrastructure improvements.
It's not right to saddle the debt problem onto our children and grandchildren.
They are the ones who will have to pay the debt off. They will be working and handing over most of their earnings for this. They won't be able to pay for anything at all, like their own homes or even be able to get married, let alone have children themselves.

It's like going into a restaurant and paying for a couple's bill, that was not paid for years back. This is not right.
The older generation will reap the rewards and the young will have to pay for it and they will get nothing.

Welcome to the new slavery imposed by the elititists that has to be honored.

 

[peach174]

Entitlement for corporations, yes. Corporate welfare.

Exactly why along with many reasons that we need a new tax code.

I was talking about the unfunded entitlement programs (now at 119 trillion dollars) not loopholes for Corporation taxes.

 

[BDBoop]

Funny that you'd rather point at people, when big oil is having such a heyday at our expense.

 

[peach174]

Funny that you'd rather point at people, when big oil is having such a heyday at our expense.

Funny that you think that our young should pay for almost 16 trillion dollars in debt.

If you cared to look up facts ( you can go to any of their web sites where they post their earnings of losses and profits, like Exxon.com) instead of talking points you would find that oil companies are not having a heyday.

We hear all the time about oil company record profits from people who want to blame them for prices at the pump. The fact is that oil company record profits are a result of high gas prices, not the cause of them. Is an 8% profit margin on your product too much to ask? If an oil producer’s cost is $1.00 per gallon of gas, they sell it for $1.08 per gallon. Then the government adds on up to 65c tax before it goes to the pump. The oil producer makes 8c on that gallon, the real profit goes to the government.

Now consider, if the cost of crude oil doubles as it has recently, and say the refinery can produce a gallon of gas for $2.00, they sell it for $2.16. Still an 8% profit margin for the oil company. If their cost goes up again and now it costs them $3.00 to produce a gallon of gas, they sell it for $3.24 and still maintain their 8% profit margin but now they’re making 24c per gallon instead of 8c per gallon. As a result, their profits go up. The oil companies do not set the price for a barrel of crude oil. They are merely the buyers and the victims of OPEC. The oil company's responsibility to the stockholders, the real owners, is to make a profit.

As with any business, the increase in their costs is passed along to the consumer. Remember that the next time Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton talk about raising taxes on the oil companies and stealing their profits. They are really talking about stealing from the American people. Any company that can’t make and keep their profits will quickly go out of business. But then that seems to be what the Democrats want when it comes to the oil companies.