Hobby Lobby and the Loss of America's Soul

[EriktheRed]

What more fascism do you wish to impose?

Isn't there a pipe-bomb you should be building?

No, that's your bong. The cheap ditch weed you filled it with is making you hallucinate.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

'the grass is always greener' with you socialists....

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

popular...? NO
shoved through congress anyway....YES

Some 68 percent of Americans hope the Supreme Court will strike down all or part of President Barack Obama’s health care law, while just 24 percent hope the high court will uphold Obamacare, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll.

Times/CBS Poll: 68% Against Obamacare

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released Sunday showed that a majority of Americans oppose President Obama’s health-care law—although they support most of its provisions. The Supreme Court is expected to rule on the law sometime this week. Although strong majorities support individual parts of the law, 61 percent of people are against the “individual mandate,” which forces Americans to purchase medical insurance. Overall, 56 percent of people are against the health-care law, and 44 people are in favor of it. Meanwhile, a majority of 56 former Supreme Court clerks said earlier this week that they believe the court will shoot down the law.

Poll: Most Americans Oppose Obamacare - The Daily Beast

 

[EriktheRed]

'the grass is always greener' with you socialists....

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

popular...? NO
shoved through congress anyway....YES

Some 68 percent of Americans hope the Supreme Court will strike down all or part of President Barack Obama’s health care law, while just 24 percent hope the high court will uphold Obamacare, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll.

Times/CBS Poll: 68% Against Obamacare

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released Sunday showed that a majority of Americans oppose President Obama’s health-care law—although they support most of its provisions. The Supreme Court is expected to rule on the law sometime this week. Although strong majorities support individual parts of the law, 61 percent of people are against the “individual mandate,” which forces Americans to purchase medical insurance. Overall, 56 percent of people are against the health-care law, and 44 people are in favor of it. Meanwhile, a majority of 56 former Supreme Court clerks said earlier this week that they believe the court will shoot down the law.

Poll: Most Americans Oppose Obamacare - The Daily Beast

Like I said earlier....

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

 

[Antares]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

'the grass is always greener' with you socialists....

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

popular...? NO
shoved through congress anyway....YES

Like I said earlier....

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

of course that's the goal of the lefties....

i say we cut out all the middlemen.....government, employers, insurance cos., etc.......and let people pay directly to doctors/clinics for their ordinary care plus buy a major medical coverage plans for the big emergency stuff.....costs will plummet immediately....

...and religious freedom will be preserved....

 

[EriktheRed]

popular...? NO
shoved through congress anyway....YES

Like I said earlier....

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

of course that's the goal of the lefties....

i say we cut out all the middlemen.....government, employers, insurance cos., etc.......and let people pay directly to doctors/clinics for their ordinary care plus buy a major medical coverage plans for the big emergency stuff.....costs will plummet immediately....

That's fine. You're not getting that, though. We had an election where there was a clear indication which direction we'd go in depending on who got elected POTUS. the guy who represented the "free market solution" didn't win. Therefore, Obamacare stays.

I predict, btw, that you and other cons will see plenty to vindicate your view while this is being implemented. That's what happens in major overhauls. That doesn't mean all that you predict will come true or that it won't still be better for everyone in the long run.

 

[EriktheRed]

...and religious freedom will be preserved....

And I'm pretty much in the same camp as others who say that their freedom of religion shouldn't extend to not following the law. Hobby Lobby won't be missed and other similar firms who don't mind following the law will fill whatever niche they leave.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Like I said earlier....

of course that's the goal of the lefties....

i say we cut out all the middlemen.....government, employers, insurance cos., etc.......and let people pay directly to doctors/clinics for their ordinary care plus buy a major medical coverage plans for the big emergency stuff.....costs will plummet immediately....

That's fine. You're not getting that, though. We had an election where there was a clear indication which direction we'd go in depending on who got elected POTUS. the guy who represented the "free market solution" didn't win. Therefore, Obamacare stays.

I predict, btw, that you and other cons will see plenty to vindicate your view while this is being implemented. That's what happens in major overhauls. That doesn't mean all that you predict will come true or that it won't still be better for everyone in the long run.

your socialist dreams will never come true either....like they haven't in Great Britain for example...

remember their Olympic ceremony 2012 that featured their NHS?......totally bizarre as well as super political and very hypocritical in nature....pretending they have great health care when they don't....a socialist wet dream...

Can anyone seriously believe that? Sunday’s British papers report that a study by the research firm Lloyd’s TSB Premier Banking found that nearly two-thirds of Britons earning more than $78,700 a year have taken out private health insurance because they don’t trust the NHS. A survey by the British health-care organization Bupa found that two-thirds of its customers cited the risk of infection from superbugs as a top reason for buying private insurance. Shaun Matisonn, the chief executive of PruHealth, says that “patients today are sophisticated consumers of health care. They research the treatments they want, but cannot always get them through the NHS.”

Horror stories about the NHS abound. A 2007 survey of almost 1,000 physicians by Doctors’ Magazine found that two-thirds said they had been told by their local NHS trust not to prescribe certain drugs, and one in five doctors knew patients who had suffered as a result of treatment rationing. The study cited one physician who characterized the NHS as “a lottery.” A new study this year by GP magazine supports that conclusion. Through Freedom of Information Act records, it found that 90 percent of NHS trusts were rationing care.

Rick Dewsbury of the Daily Mail was aghast at the worship of the NHS during Friday’s Olympic ceremony. The columnist noted the sheer hypocrisy of the spectacle, as “the majority of the athletes taking part in the Games will have access to the most expensive cutting-edge private treatment available in the world for even the slightest graze on their bodies.”

Britain

 

[AVG-JOE]

Why should he have to sell off the business he spent his life building up because the federal government suddenly decided to intrude in his decisions? Does that sound like a free nation to you?

Why should he give a fuck if his employees want to use birth control? If the employers want to be up to their dicks in our healthcare business, everyone needs to play by the same rules, regardless of religion, creed, shade of Monkey khaki, etc., etc.

I wasn't aware that the owners of Hobby Lobby were complaining about their employees using birth control. Did I miss something?

The problem is forcing people to buy health care from their employer via tax code favoritism and manipulation, in effect creating monopolies. Stop screaming about the symptoms and start looking at the problem.

What makes you think I don't already know that. In fact, I said earlier in this thread the entire law should have never been passed in the first place.

The owners of Hobby Lobby are bitching about having to pay for B/C as part of the employers health care package. The point is, facing the fact that health insurance is indeed tied to employment, Hobby Lobby needs to suck it up and play by the same rules as everyone else, their religion be damned. That and the best answer to the problem of employers having to pay for birth control as part of employer provided coverage is to remove health care from the employer / employee relationship.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Why should he give a fuck if his employees want to use birth control? If the employers want to be up to their dicks in our healthcare business, everyone needs to play by the same rules, regardless of religion, creed, shade of Monkey khaki, etc., etc.

I wasn't aware that the owners of Hobby Lobby were complaining about their employees using birth control. Did I miss something?

The problem is forcing people to buy health care from their employer via tax code favoritism and manipulation, in effect creating monopolies. Stop screaming about the symptoms and start looking at the problem.

What makes you think I don't already know that. In fact, I said earlier in this thread the entire law should have never been passed in the first place.

The owners of Hobby Lobby are bitching about having to pay for B/C as part of the employers health care package. The point is, facing the fact that health insurance is indeed tied to employment, Hobby Lobby needs to suck it up and play by the same rules as everyone else, their religion be damned. That and the best answer to the problem of employers having to pay for birth control as part of employer provided coverage is to remove health care from the employer / employee relationship.

so you think we should damn the 1st Amendment......?

 

[AVG-JOE]

I wasn't aware that the owners of Hobby Lobby were complaining about their employees using birth control. Did I miss something?



What makes you think I don't already know that. In fact, I said earlier in this thread the entire law should have never been passed in the first place.

The owners of Hobby Lobby are bitching about having to pay for B/C as part of the employers health care package. The point is, facing the fact that health insurance is indeed tied to employment, Hobby Lobby needs to suck it up and play by the same rules as everyone else, their religion be damned. That and the best answer to the problem of employers having to pay for birth control as part of employer provided coverage is to remove health care from the employer / employee relationship.

so you think we should damn the 1st Amendment......?

No, I don't think the First Amendment is a bad idea, and it's a bullshit way you ask the question... Should I be free to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater?

The freedom of shareholders of a corporation to worship is no way infringed upon by the legal obligation of said corporation to provide employer provided health care coverage that meets certain minimum federal standards. Just like the freedom to worship and trust in God for protection is in no way infringed upon by forcing car manufactures to meet certain minimum safety standards, trust in God be damned.

 

[Antares]

That was actually well said.

The owners of Hobby Lobby are bitching about having to pay for B/C as part of the employers health care package. The point is, facing the fact that health insurance is indeed tied to employment, Hobby Lobby needs to suck it up and play by the same rules as everyone else, their religion be damned. That and the best answer to the problem of employers having to pay for birth control as part of employer provided coverage is to remove health care from the employer / employee relationship.

so you think we should damn the 1st Amendment......?

No, I don't think the First Amendment is a bad idea, and it's a bullshit way you ask the question... Should I be free to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater?

The freedom of shareholders of a corporation to worship is no way infringed upon by the legal obligation of said corporation to provide employer provided health care coverage that meets certain minimum federal standards. Just like the freedom to worship and trust in God for protection is in no way infringed upon by forcing car manufactures to meet certain minimum safety standards, trust in God be damned.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

No, by now it's pretty obvious that what you call "fascist" is really just stuff you don't like. As has already been spelled out by someone in another thread, you don't know dick about it.

The ACA is law, it's gonna remain law, and millions of people are going to be helped by it while wingnuts like you shout "FASCISM!" with no idea what you're talking about.

And tens of millions more will be hurt by it.

And actually, the term Fascism could apply here. The whole ObamaCare debacle is predicated upon enslaving the American people to the rule of corporations.

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

Why do you want people to suffer and die?

Besides, single payer would be unconstitutional anyway.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I honestly cannot believe how stupid the conservatives in this thread are being.

You're still here? I thought for sure you'd be playing on your PS3 by now and sucking down Ramen Noodles

I thought you'd be out bombing an abortion clinic and killing innocent people. Guess we're both surprised.

I'm pro-choice.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The owners of Hobby Lobby are bitching about having to pay for B/C as part of the employers health care package. The point is, facing the fact that health insurance is indeed tied to employment, Hobby Lobby needs to suck it up and play by the same rules as everyone else, their religion be damned. That and the best answer to the problem of employers having to pay for birth control as part of employer provided coverage is to remove health care from the employer / employee relationship.

so you think we should damn the 1st Amendment......?

No, I don't think the First Amendment is a bad idea, and it's a bullshit way you ask the question... Should I be free to yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater?

The freedom of shareholders of a corporation to worship is no way infringed upon by the legal obligation of said corporation to provide employer provided health care coverage that meets certain minimum federal standards. Just like the freedom to worship and trust in God for protection is in no way infringed upon by forcing car manufactures to meet certain minimum safety standards, trust in God be damned.

"freedom to worship" is a confining term used by lefties......it implies freedom to just go to church and pray....however the 1st gives us the right to FREELY EXERCISE our religion......it does not confine that free exercise to a church....or area for "worship"....nor does it ban businesses from exercising their religion either....Obamacare's law prohibits the free exercise of religion...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

The majority opposed ObamaCare and a plurality still want it repealed.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

'the grass is always greener' with you socialists....

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

There is no such thing as an honest Marxist.

 

[EriktheRed]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

'the grass is always greener' with you socialists....

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

I'm not lying Sammy. The public option WAS a popular idea which never got enacted and as for the overall popularity of the ACA, well, all I gotta say is...



November 6, 2012.

 

[EriktheRed]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

There is no such thing as an honest Marxist.

I'm an American and I voted with the majority. Say whatever else you want, but you can't change that.

 

[EriktheRed]

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

The majority opposed ObamaCare and a plurality still want it repealed.

November 6, 2012.