Hobby Lobby and the Loss of America's Soul

[EriktheRed]

And tens of millions more will be hurt by it.

And actually, the term Fascism could apply here. The whole ObamaCare debacle is predicated upon enslaving the American people to the rule of corporations.

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

Why do you want people to suffer and die?

Besides, single payer would be unconstitutional anyway.

Nope.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

I'm not lying Sammy. The public option WAS a popular idea which never got enacted and as for the overall popularity of the ACA, well, all I gotta say is...



November 6, 2012.

Nov 6.....falling for a big fat fairy tale....

 

[EriktheRed]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

I'm not lying Sammy. The public option WAS a popular idea which never got enacted and as for the overall popularity of the ACA, well, all I gotta say is...



November 6, 2012.

Nov 6.....falling for a big fat fairy tale....

Cry us a river...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

There is no such thing as an honest Marxist.

I'm an American and I voted with the majority. Say whatever else you want, but you can't change that.

What does being American have to do with you being a Marxist?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

The majority opposed ObamaCare and a plurality still want it repealed.

November 6, 2012.

What about it?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Oh well, guess we better go single-payer then.

Why do you want people to suffer and die?

Besides, single payer would be unconstitutional anyway.

Nope.

Sure it would. The federal government doesn't have the Constitutional authority to nationalize an industry.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I'm not lying Sammy. The public option WAS a popular idea which never got enacted and as for the overall popularity of the ACA, well, all I gotta say is...



November 6, 2012.

Nov 6.....falling for a big fat fairy tale....

Cry us a river...

is that allowed under Obamacare......?

 

[EriktheRed]

Why do you want people to suffer and die?

Besides, single payer would be unconstitutional anyway.

Nope.

Sure it would. The federal government doesn't have the Constitutional authority to nationalize an industry.

Has this been put to the test?

 

[Plasmaball]

Sorry, you are just full of shit

From day one the majority of Americans did NOT want Bammy Care....do you always lie like this?

'the grass is always greener' with you socialists....

Here's the deal: people wanted something done. Poll after poll showed that a public option was popular. Conservatives didn't want that and managed to stop it from happening. Something got done anyway. Whatever downsides there might be will be dealt with.

You don't want this and you can get enough people elected to get rid of it, then you better be prepared for people to call even harder for something even more socialistic, because you are the minority.

i love this lie..

 

[Plasmaball]

Nope.

Sure it would. The federal government doesn't have the Constitutional authority to nationalize an industry.

Has this been put to the test?

well according to some we did this with the banks. So if true then taz would be wrong.

 

[candycorn]

I'm sure the same argument was made when we passed anti-discrimination legislation. That damn intrusion on the side of fairness.

The Constitution makes racial discrimination illegal.

Yes it does...now. It wasn't always the case. And it was fought every step of the way by conservatives. So much so in 1968, a segregationist ran for President. If Rick Perry had been in government at that time, he would have been a George Wallace supporter. Would you have been? After all, it is just the government telling the States what to do, right. And we can't have that now....can we.

Maybe employers can decide they don't want to pay for amputations--after all your body was made in God's image...right?

Can you cite such an example of an employer making this argument?

Some here wish to ban assault rifles, MP9's Uzis, AK47's, AR15's, etc... What is it that the gun whackjobs ALWAYS say, "It's a slippery slope." You let employers decide what their employee's insurance will cover and you can have all sorts of goodies happen down the road.

Maybe, for example, a company that is has naturalist founders or a naturalist board will only pay for natural childbirth pregnancies forcing women to forego the epidural, a physician, etc....

It's a slippery slope.

And the GOP wonders why it is losing traction with independent minded women.

I would hardly consider a woman who runs to the arms of a big strong government to provide for her as independent.

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I would hardly consider someone's opinion serious who doesn't know the first thing about the case. She wants to pay for her contraception the same way she would pay for amoxicillin, Coumadin, Xanax, or Ambien....through her insurance. Only an employer who doesn't think she should be able to afford one of these medicines is causing a stink. At no point is she asking the government to provide anything you fucking idiot.

 

[candycorn]

I honestly cannot believe how stupid the conservatives in this thread are being.

Why is that?

They call people whom they never met a "slut" because Rush Limbaugh tells them.
They couldn't read simple poll numbers 2 months ago
And they think having a 100 round drum on an assault weapon has something to do with their heritage.

I would be shocked if they acted any other way.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Nope.

Sure it would. The federal government doesn't have the Constitutional authority to nationalize an industry.

Has this been put to the test?

No, because it can't be done, hence the reason it's not been tried. Even most Democrats in the Congress haven't the gall to try and pull something like that.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Yes it does...now. It wasn't always the case. And it was fought every step of the way by conservatives. So much so in 1968, a segregationist ran for President. If Rick Perry had been in government at that time, he would have been a George Wallace supporter. Would you have been? After all, it is just the government telling the States what to do, right. And we can't have that now....can we.

why do you paint Rick Perry as a racist.....?

and yes it is the Federal government telling the States what to do......this was a position held by conservative Barry Goldwater who believed in States Rights.....

Some here wish to ban assault rifles, MP9's Uzis, AK47's, AR15's, etc... What is it that the gun whackjobs ALWAYS say, "It's a slippery slope." You let employers decide what their employee's insurance will cover and you can have all sorts of goodies happen down the road.

Maybe, for example, a company that is has naturalist founders or a naturalist board will only pay for natural childbirth pregnancies forcing women to forego the epidural, a physician, etc....

It's a slippery slope.

which is a good reason to end the practice of employer-supplied healthcare....and let individuals buy their own preferred healthcare on the free market....

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I'm sure the same argument was made when we passed anti-discrimination legislation. That damn intrusion on the side of fairness.

The Constitution makes racial discrimination illegal.

Yes it does...now. It wasn't always the case.

Which was accomplished through a Constitutional Amendment, a far cry from the ObamaCare debacle that suppresses people's freedom.

And it was fought every step of the way by conservatives.

You mean Democrats.

So much so in 1968, a segregationist ran for President. If Rick Perry had been in government at that time, he would have been a George Wallace supporter.

How do you know what Rick Perry would have done?

Some here wish to ban assault rifles, MP9's Uzis, AK47's, AR15's, etc... What is it that the gun whackjobs ALWAYS say, "It's a slippery slope."

You let employers decide what their employee's insurance will cover and you can have all sorts of goodies happen down the road.

In other words, no, you can't cite an example. Glad we cleared that up.

Maybe, for example, a company that is has naturalist founders or a naturalist board will only pay for natural childbirth pregnancies forcing women to forego the epidural, a physician, etc....

It's a slippery slope.

If you say so.

But hypothetically, if such an employer existed, why would any woman for them in the first place? Last I checked nobody has a gun put to their head and are told where they must work.

And the GOP wonders why it is losing traction with independent minded women.

I would hardly consider a woman who runs to the arms of a big strong government to provide for her as independent.

I would hardly consider someone's opinion serious who doesn't know the first thing about the case. She wants to pay for her contraception the same way she would pay for amoxicillin, Coumadin, Xanax, or Ambien....through her insurance.

There are a lot of things I want to be able to do, but that doesn't mean I have the right to use the federal government to give that to me just as last I checked, there was nothing in the Constitution that says the federal government can tell her employer to provide her with insurance to cover her birth control pills.

Only an employer who doesn't think she should be able to afford one of these medicines is causing a stink.

So all the millions of women out there for the past 45 years have been incapable of paying for their birth control pills until Obama came along and forced their employers to do it for them? Millions of women around the country can't afford $9 a month for birth control pills?

At no point is she asking the government to provide anything you fucking idiot.

Where did I say she was? Can you quote me saying that? I sure hope so, otherwise that might make you the fucking idiot now, wouldn't it?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I honestly cannot believe how stupid the conservatives in this thread are being.

Why is that?

They call people whom they never met a "slut" because Rush Limbaugh tells them.
why does a "poor" unmarried law student need someone else to pay for her contraceptives....she must need them for all that activity.....like most sluts....
They couldn't read simple poll numbers 2 months ago
you mean the polls that said Americans do NOT want Obamacare...?
And they think having a 100 round drum on an assault weapon has something to do with their heritage.
yes the heritage of protecting ourselves from government...
I would be shocked if they acted any other way
color me not shocked by your leftie rhetoric...

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[candycorn]

Yes it does...now. It wasn't always the case. And it was fought every step of the way by conservatives. So much so in 1968, a segregationist ran for President. If Rick Perry had been in government at that time, he would have been a George Wallace supporter. Would you have been? After all, it is just the government telling the States what to do, right. And we can't have that now....can we.

why do you paint Rick Perry as a racist.....?

and yes it is the Federal government telling the States what to do......this was a position held by conservative Barry Goldwater who believed in States Rights.....

When did I say that?

He's all about State's rights. Segregation was portrayed as a state's right to treat it's citizens the way it sees fit. You may remember the President having to federalize the State National Guards in, wait for it, the South to integrate schools.

It's not hard to see that Rick Perry would have been a segregationist based on this lame-assed "states rights" gambit that gets pulled out of the GOP's buttocks whenever something happens.

Some here wish to ban assault rifles, MP9's Uzis, AK47's, AR15's, etc... What is it that the gun whackjobs ALWAYS say, "It's a slippery slope." You let employers decide what their employee's insurance will cover and you can have all sorts of goodies happen down the road.

Maybe, for example, a company that is has naturalist founders or a naturalist board will only pay for natural childbirth pregnancies forcing women to forego the epidural, a physician, etc....

It's a slippery slope.

which is a good reason to end the practice of employer-supplied healthcare....and let individuals buy their own preferred healthcare on the free market....

Employers don't have to offer healthcare now. They do to attract and retain good employees.

 

[candycorn]

I honestly cannot believe how stupid the conservatives in this thread are being.

Why is that?

They call people whom they never met a "slut" because Rush Limbaugh tells them.
why does a "poor" unmarried law student gal need someone else to pay for her contraceptives....she must need them for all that activity.....like most sluts....

She wanted (at least at one time) to have contraception included on the insurance she payed for. She wasn't asking you for shit dumbass.

They couldn't read simple poll numbers 2 months ago
you mean the polls that said Americans do NOT want Obamacare...?

Obamacare was upheld by the US Supreme Court during the Summer numbnuts. Two months ago on 11/5, you posted this:

the left is already gearing up to trash the Tea Party as soon as Romney is elected....to try to fracture the GOP...

maybe we should rename the Tea Party to something like "Old-fashioned Constitutional God-fearing Flag-waving Hard-working Everyday Americans"....with a name like that how could anyone trash the movement and not be outed as the ANTI-Americans they are....?

Not a single reputable poll showed Romney within shouting distance of Obama except for a RCP poll that didn't even include the 50 state tally.

Learn to read a poll then I may take you more seriously.

And they think having a 100 round drum on an assault weapon has something to do with their heritage.
yes the heritage of protecting ourselves from government...

As if you and your 100 round drum would stand a chance. It's an idiot's argument and I am not surprised you're the one making it.

I would be shocked if they acted any other waycolor me not shocked by your leftie rhetoric...

Whatever shitstain.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Yes it does...now. It wasn't always the case. And it was fought every step of the way by conservatives. So much so in 1968, a segregationist ran for President. If Rick Perry had been in government at that time, he would have been a George Wallace supporter. Would you have been? After all, it is just the government telling the States what to do, right. And we can't have that now....can we.

why do you paint Rick Perry as a racist.....?

and yes it is the Federal government telling the States what to do......this was a position held by conservative Barry Goldwater who believed in States Rights.....

When did I say that?

He's all about State's rights. Segregation was portrayed as a state's right to treat it's citizens the way it sees fit. You may remember the President having to federalize the State National Guards in, wait for it, the South to integrate schools.

It's not hard to see that Rick Perry would have been a segregationist based on this lame-assed "states rights" gambit that gets pulled out of the GOP's buttocks whenever something happens.

"lameassed states rights"......you mean racist....

Some here wish to ban assault rifles, MP9's Uzis, AK47's, AR15's, etc... What is it that the gun whackjobs ALWAYS say, "It's a slippery slope." You let employers decide what their employee's insurance will cover and you can have all sorts of goodies happen down the road.

Maybe, for example, a company that is has naturalist founders or a naturalist board will only pay for natural childbirth pregnancies forcing women to forego the epidural, a physician, etc....

It's a slippery slope.

which is a good reason to end the practice of employer-supplied healthcare....and let individuals buy their own preferred healthcare on the free market....

Employers don't have to offer healthcare now. They do to attract and retain good employees.

basically the same thing....they have to offer it to attract decent workers....

 

[bodecea]

...people still shop at Hobby Lobby?

Never even heard of them before....Mom & Pop store?