Fellow americans its about obama in 2012, not who runs against him

[rightwinger]

Unemployment dropped to 8.9% today

GOP better find SOMEBODY to run

That is govt spam
Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment Hitting 10.3% in February
Gallup has it @ 10.3 and the DJIA knows its a lie also
besides the right is going to simply point out that there is 2 million more people out of work today than there was in Jan 2009 and we spent 1.3 trillion dollars more than we had to get there
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
But now you agree as i have stated
its about Obama
and now we have the GWB tax rate extension also that cannot be ignored

Nobody goes to Gallup for unemployment statistics. Official benchmark is at 8.9% today. Not great by a long shot, but it is not going to provide much political fodder for the GOP either.

In the absence of an economic collapse, the GOP will have to come up with:

1. A credible candidate
2. A platform that shows how they will make things better
3. An explanation of what the party has accomplished in the last four years

 

[peach174]

I think Allen West would be able to run a good race against him.

 

[editec]

Fellow americans its about obama in 2012, not who runs against him

Ya think?

So even if NOBODY runs against him, he'll still lose?

Interesting theory.

 

[JRK]

Unemployment dropped to 8.9% today

GOP better find SOMEBODY to run

That is govt spam
Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment Hitting 10.3% in February
Gallup has it @ 10.3 and the DJIA knows its a lie also
besides the right is going to simply point out that there is 2 million more people out of work today than there was in Jan 2009 and we spent 1.3 trillion dollars more than we had to get there
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
But now you agree as i have stated
its about Obama
and now we have the GWB tax rate extension also that cannot be ignored

Nobody goes to Gallup for unemployment statistics. Official benchmark is at 8.9% today. Not great by a long shot, but it is not going to provide much political fodder for the GOP either.

In the absence of an economic collapse, the GOP will have to come up with:

1. A credible candidate
2. A platform that shows how they will make things better
3. An explanation of what the party has accomplished in the last four years

Your coming on over

the economy has already collapsed and is pumped full of tax payers wealth to prop it up. Tarp was a great idea
Stimulus is not (yet)

Where you and I dis agree is you see Obama as a credible candidate
Your assumption is the magic is still there
his approval is below 50%, some has it closer to 40 than 50
Direction of country is in the 30% range
The GOPs platform was a anti Pelosi/Obama platform for the mid-terms
The party will have to explain nothing, they have had only yhe house for 2 of those 4 years and the white house and the house 2 of the last 6 years

At some point the Dems have to take ownership of this ship

 

[BrianH]

Obviously not a Steve Martin fan....

What did the Stimulus (and TARP) accomplish?

By late 2008, the financial markets were in a panic. Banks were failing, the Auto Comapnies were failing and people were pulling their money out of circulation. The US Government was the only entity with the resources to put money into the economy. That $800 billion was enough to signal that the US was standing behingd our economy.

The result?

Within weeks the Stock Market reversed after dropping from 14000 down to 6600. It has now moved back to the 12000 range.
GDP which was down for four consecutive quarters went positive and has remained positive. This alone signaled the end of the Bush recession


Has it brought around a booming economy? No....Stimulus was watered down with GOP pleasing tax cuts and was not enough to cause a boom. ..but does anyone else want to infuse cash into this economy? We Know the Tea Party doesn't and we know that business is still sitting on $2 Trillion...so we will have to see

Tarp did that and except for GM/Chrysler and AIG we got all of it back before the stimulus was even out of Pelosi s house
Tarp was 11/08
The Stimulus was 3/2009
the DJIA was 6500 3/2009
Tarp stopped the wall street collapse
profits and earnings brought back the DJIA
Stimulus?
kept some teachers working and besides that??????????????????????

The Stimulus created 3 million jobs per the CBO

The influx of cash into our economy stopped the panic. TARP held up certain sectors of the economy and stimulus did the rest. If it wasn't for those useless tax cuts put in to appease republicans we could have created more jobs.

The great Ronald Reagan used a similar technique to end the Jimmy Carter recession as Obama used to end the Bush recession. Only difference is that Reagan had more money (in 2009 dollars) to dump into the economy

I don't care what the politicians do to "Stimulate" the economy, none of it will work how it's supposed to unless we quit printing out and devaluing our money. We talk about people taking money of the economy by saving it under their mattresses, but we forget that the U.S. sends BILLIONS out of our economy by sending it to other countries. I read a figure that said about 25 billion a year.

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK is simply a mouth that does not reflect reality.

(1) 192K job growth last month and unemployment at 8.9% (in comparison to RR's third year, where unemployed would peak at 10.8%)

(2) No one can prove that the tarp and the stimuli were not absolutely necessary for economic survival.

The GOP cannot afford JRK and BrianH to cheerlead for them. We need calm and sensible heads that are will to truth talk and point out about the advantages of replacing BHO with a good GOP candidate (hmmm. . . Romney comes to mind ), but we cannot afford the stupidity associated with our far right wacks.

 

[Immanuel]

JRK is simply a mouth that does not reflect reality.

(1) 192K job growth last month and unemployment at 8.9% (in comparison to RR's third year, where unemployed would peak at 10.8%)

(2) No one can prove that the tarp and the stimuli were not absolutely necessary for economic survival.

The GOP cannot afford JRK and BrianH to cheerlead for them. We need calm and sensible heads that are will to truth talk and point out about the advantages of replacing BHO with a good GOP candidate (hmmm. . . Romney comes to mind ), but we cannot afford the stupidity associated with our far right wacks.

Kind of convenient isn't that? These massive spending bills failed to improve the economy like we were told they would, but you can't prove that things would not have been worse without them.

That reminds me of the "saved jobs" promise we were told. How many millions of jobs were "saved"? Can't prove they were not saved can you... except for my job that is and everyone else's jobs who were lost over the last two years.

You are absolutely right, we don't know that things would not have been worse without them. Nor do we know that things would not have been better today if Obama and company had simply left things alone.

Immie

 

[BrianH]

JRK is simply a mouth that does not reflect reality.

(1) 192K job growth last month and unemployment at 8.9% (in comparison to RR's third year, where unemployed would peak at 10.8%)

(2) No one can prove that the tarp and the stimuli were not absolutely necessary for economic survival.

The GOP cannot afford JRK and BrianH to cheerlead for them. We need calm and sensible heads that are will to truth talk and point out about the advantages of replacing BHO with a good GOP candidate (hmmm. . . Romney comes to mind ), but we cannot afford the stupidity associated with our far right wacks.

You are an idiot.

It doesn't matter if the right does it or the left does it moron. If our money isn't worth shit, then all the stimuluses in the world aren't going to save us. After WWI the Germans found their Mark worth nothing and actually had to use it as kindling to start fires and stay warm during the winter. At the rate our government is printing and spending money (Republican or Democrat) our money will be worth very little. The only reason it's worth anything now is because we think it is...it's not backed up by anything.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's just it, Immie. You want to make claims you cannot quantify. The fact is 192K jobs were added last month. The dems are gonna argue again that we were so damn stupid and greedy when we had office that of course the economy exploded. We have to come up with a candidate who has cred to deal with thus stuff. Sarah, Michelle, and Newt flatly don't. Paul does, but he does not have the groundswell that he needs. Huck won't run: the Arkie is making real good money for the first time in a job he is pretty good at and having fun with. Guess who that leaves us?

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK is simply a mouth that does not reflect reality.

(1) 192K job growth last month and unemployment at 8.9% (in comparison to RR's third year, where unemployed would peak at 10.8%)

(2) No one can prove that the tarp and the stimuli were not absolutely necessary for economic survival.

The GOP cannot afford JRK and BrianH to cheerlead for them. We need calm and sensible heads that are will to truth talk and point out about the advantages of replacing BHO with a good GOP candidate (hmmm. . . Romney comes to mind ), but we cannot afford the stupidity associated with our far right wacks.

You are an idiot.

It doesn't matter if the right does it or the left does it moron. If our money isn't worth shit, then all the stimuluses in the world aren't going to save us. After WWI the Germans found their Mark worth nothing and actually had to use it as kindling to start fires and stay warm during the winter. At the rate our government is printing and spending money (Republican or Democrat) our money will be worth very little. The only reason it's worth anything now is because we think it is...it's not backed up by anything.

Pontificates BrianH the economist. Move along. We can't afford your mouth in the party choice for a leadership. Your choices I am quite sure would run us over the cliff.

 

[Immanuel]

That's just it, Immie. You want to make claims you cannot quantify. The fact is 192K jobs were added last month. The dems are gonna argue again that we were so damn stupid and greedy when we had office that of course the economy exploded. We have to come up with a candidate who has cred to deal with thus stuff. Sarah, Michelle, and Newt flatly don't. Paul does, but he does not have the groundswell that he needs. Huck won't run: the Arkie is making real good money for the first time in a job he is pretty good at and having fun with. Guess who that leaves us?

We? I'm not a Republican. I could not really give a crap if another Republican or Democrat won anything at all above dog catcher. Don't include me in "we", please.

And, added jobs is up one month down the next and numbers are adjusted later. The job market sucks... plain and simple.

Immie

 

[JakeStarkey]

That's just it, Immie. You want to make claims you cannot quantify. The fact is 192K jobs were added last month. The dems are gonna argue again that we were so damn stupid and greedy when we had office that of course the economy exploded. We have to come up with a candidate who has cred to deal with thus stuff. Sarah, Michelle, and Newt flatly don't. Paul does, but he does not have the groundswell that he needs. Huck won't run: the Arkie is making real good money for the first time in a job he is pretty good at and having fun with. Guess who that leaves us?

We? I'm not a Republican. I could not really give a crap if another Republican or Democrat won anything at all above dog catcher. Don't include me in "we", please.

And, added jobs is up one month down the next and numbers are adjusted later. The job market sucks... plain and simple.

Immie

Thanks for the clarification. Your opinion then on GOP candidates is immaterial to me. I am convinced that libertarianism would be worse than another round of Obama. Now watch the fur fly!

 

[BrianH]

JRK is simply a mouth that does not reflect reality.

(1) 192K job growth last month and unemployment at 8.9% (in comparison to RR's third year, where unemployed would peak at 10.8%)

(2) No one can prove that the tarp and the stimuli were not absolutely necessary for economic survival.

The GOP cannot afford JRK and BrianH to cheerlead for them. We need calm and sensible heads that are will to truth talk and point out about the advantages of replacing BHO with a good GOP candidate (hmmm. . . Romney comes to mind ), but we cannot afford the stupidity associated with our far right wacks.

You are an idiot.

It doesn't matter if the right does it or the left does it moron. If our money isn't worth shit, then all the stimuluses in the world aren't going to save us. After WWI the Germans found their Mark worth nothing and actually had to use it as kindling to start fires and stay warm during the winter. At the rate our government is printing and spending money (Republican or Democrat) our money will be worth very little. The only reason it's worth anything now is because we think it is...it's not backed up by anything.

Pontificates BrianH the economist. Move along. We can't afford your mouth in the party choice for a leadership. Your choices I am quite sure would run us over the cliff.

Prove me wrong asstard. Prove to me that printing out money blindly doesn't devalue it? Prove to me why the U.S. dollar is now rougly equal to the Mexican dollar? You can talk all the shit you want, but you haven't dispproven what I posted.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You make an assertion, BrianH, you have to support it with evidence that is clear and understandable. Your opinion is not enough. You can't make an unsupported opinion then call for evidence to defeat it.

You need to go talk to bigreb. He at least does his best to post evidence. It always contradicts his point, but he is trying.

 

[JFK_USA]

Wrong again Bucs.

People still remember how bad Bush fucked up this country. Then the Republican run on creating jobs, then get into office and say "Oh we didn't say that, we said we would take away worker rights and women rights."

The American people see you are liars like Bush. People don't want another liar, they want a leader. President Obama is getting reelected and you stand NO CHANCE

 

[JRK]

Obama run up the deficit with intent
to start with the stimulus was used to keep the NEA working
FoxNews.com - Lawmakers Blast 'Obscene' Programs Funded by NEA Stimulus Grants
NEA Announces Stimulus Grants
Following the NEA Stimulus Money by Drew McManus
Stimulus Pushers - WSJ.com
as well as other union payoffs
Obama's stimulus two years later: What did it achieve? - Yahoo! News

his intent
tax hikes
there were coming and the mid terms stopped that, come 2012 look out (not counting the ones buried in the Obama care bill)

Gentlemen chill. BHO has intent. Take money from me and give it to someone who does not work, for what ever reason
He is a pure socialist, he does not try to hide it.
He ignores the constitution when he does not fit his agenda. My thread says it all. Come 2012 all of these items are in play

The GOP can put Mickey Mouse out there and if those non committal independent's want to re elect him, he will be re-elected
Its about him
from Gitmo to Job creation he has failed

I will leave each of you with this thought. I read thread after thread about sending jobs overseas

Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x

oil exploration
oil harvesting
oil delivery
refinement
delivery
sales

So much of that we have here in this country is being done over seas

 

[Shoobis1]

I voted for Obama in '08 and I don't regret it. For all I know, if McCain had been President, I'd have been drafted by now and sent to fight in Iran. But I've still been very unhappy with President Obama's performance. In '12, I'll vote for almost anyone other than Obama . . . except McCain or Palin.

 

[rightwinger]

That's just it, Immie. You want to make claims you cannot quantify. The fact is 192K jobs were added last month. The dems are gonna argue again that we were so damn stupid and greedy when we had office that of course the economy exploded. We have to come up with a candidate who has cred to deal with thus stuff. Sarah, Michelle, and Newt flatly don't. Paul does, but he does not have the groundswell that he needs. Huck won't run: the Arkie is making real good money for the first time in a job he is pretty good at and having fun with. Guess who that leaves us?

We? I'm not a Republican. I could not really give a crap if another Republican or Democrat won anything at all above dog catcher. Don't include me in "we", please.

And, added jobs is up one month down the next and numbers are adjusted later. The job market sucks... plain and simple.

Immie

Thanks for the clarification. Your opinion then on GOP candidates is immaterial to me. I am convinced that libertarianism would be worse than another round of Obama. Now watch the fur fly!

Has anyone ever actually ran a Libertarian based government?

 

[Flopper]

Unemployment dropped to 8.9% today

GOP better find SOMEBODY to run

That is govt spam
Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment Hitting 10.3% in February
Gallup has it @ 10.3 and the DJIA knows its a lie also
besides the right is going to simply point out that there is 2 million more people out of work today than there was in Jan 2009 and we spent 1.3 trillion dollars more than we had to get there
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
But now you agree as i have stated
its about Obama
and now we have the GWB tax rate extension also that cannot be ignored

The economy added 192,000 jobs in February, the best showing since May of last year, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday. The politically important unemployment rate fell from 9 percent to 8.9 percent.

Unemployment rate drops to 8.9 percent. Has the economy turned a corner? - CSMonitor.com

 

[Dr.Drock]

We? I'm not a Republican. I could not really give a crap if another Republican or Democrat won anything at all above dog catcher. Don't include me in "we", please.

And, added jobs is up one month down the next and numbers are adjusted later. The job market sucks... plain and simple.

Immie

Thanks for the clarification. Your opinion then on GOP candidates is immaterial to me. I am convinced that libertarianism would be worse than another round of Obama. Now watch the fur fly!

Has anyone ever actually ran a Libertarian based government?

We were fiscally libertarian about the first 50-70 years of our country's existence, not socially and haven't been either since.