Does Heaven Exist?

[RodISHI]

Does Heaven mean the absence of all suffering?

That depends on the context that you are using the word 'heaven' in.

 

[Meriweather]

Does Heaven mean the absence of all suffering?

Or perhaps it comes with the realization we can work through suffering for an even greater good?

 

[SweetSue92]

No one, not ONE of us, could ever "earn" enough points to be holy enough for God. The Bible says all our righteousness is like 'Filthy rags". (Isaiah 64:6) Not only that, but God is so immeasurably holy and perfect that a single stain of sin makes us unfit for Heaven. He does not make it that way to be "mean". It's who He is. It's an immutable characteristic.

The Bible says all our righteousness is like 'Filthy rags".

your christian bible was collated in the 4th century its political objective is obvious throughout you should find another book to read if that is the source for your beliefs.

Not only that, but God is so immeasurably holy and perfect that a single stain of sin makes us unfit for Heaven.

the religion of antiquity is not perfection in all things simply the triumph over evil as the means for admission to the Everlasting - that is the goal that must be accomplished not by faith but by action that eventually will free your spirit when accomplished.

It is not something we can do of ourselves. It is the omnipresent spirit that does these things and one cannot get beyond the worldly thoughts enough to have faith to believe it cannot happen even in the spirit or we would never be able to recognize what happens in the spirit.

It is not something we can do of ourselves.

I'm not sure you tied all that together however for the above if you rely on faith and not the accomplishment you are correct you will never accomplish the goal prescribed by the religion of antiquity to be judge for admission to the Everlasting ... you have to triumph to be judged.

and one cannot get beyond the worldly thoughts enough to have faith to believe it cannot happen even in the spirit ...

not sure what that is trying to convey however " faith to believe" would seem a dangerous position to be in as in both cases faith and belief are meant to bring about the accomplishment they represent, not in of themselves to be relied on as a means for a meaningful life. also for some, they haven't the luxury of faith and must accomplish their goals as their struggles in life do not provide for philosophical respites, where religion itself is only an afterthought.

No citation for anything so I definitely will not be taking your word for it...thanks anyway.

 

[SweetSue92]

Heaven is a nice feeling, I guess.

It is also a way to spiritually describe the locations in the minds of humans. We have the sky too which we call the heavens. Spiritually speaking Jesus told his people that the kingdom is in them for we have to search out the truth of things we have seen or experienced (not always an easy task if done in depth) or we can read about and choose to believe or not the experience of others and what they have seen in the spirit. Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:2 describes an incident of a man being caught up to the third heaven. In a conference video Jesse Duplantis described an event he experienced being whisked into heaven and being shown things. If I recall correctly the Book of Enoch he describes being shown the heavens and gives a description how there is a heavenly host for each and everything in the creation.

Incorrect translation. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you is better translated to "among you" or "in your midst" meaning "it has already come", which lines up with everything else Jesus said. Not "the Kingdom of God is 'in your hearts' or something.

 

[SweetSue92]

Does Heaven mean the absence of all suffering?

Absolutely, and that is without qualification.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.--Revelation 21:4

 

[RodISHI]

Heaven is a nice feeling, I guess.

It is also a way to spiritually describe the locations in the minds of humans. We have the sky too which we call the heavens. Spiritually speaking Jesus told his people that the kingdom is in them for we have to search out the truth of things we have seen or experienced (not always an easy task if done in depth) or we can read about and choose to believe or not the experience of others and what they have seen in the spirit. Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:2 describes an incident of a man being caught up to the third heaven. In a conference video Jesse Duplantis described an event he experienced being whisked into heaven and being shown things. If I recall correctly the Book of Enoch he describes being shown the heavens and gives a description how there is a heavenly host for each and everything in the creation.

Incorrect translation. The Kingdom of Heaven is within you is better translated to "among you" or "in your midst" meaning "it has already come", which lines up with everything else Jesus said. Not "the Kingdom of God is 'in your hearts' or something.

Perhaps it is for you or others to think that. That kingdom is put into Man both male and female humans when the living soul received that first blow/breath of life (meaning a soul that last). Even so 'the Man' created to be made in the likeness of God's Son remains asleep as long as the Spirit determines that is where it will be.

 

[BreezeWood]

Does Heaven mean the absence of all suffering?

trickery, not treachery ... life in the Everlasting would be what is made of it without the presence of evil. no guarantees so possible though doubtful, suffering.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When most atheists and theists discuss God, one thing that always stands out as an enormous problem is the existence of suffering and evil, despite many atheists not believing in the latter. They argue: how could an all-loving, all-powerful God create such a world of perpetual misery punctuated by brief moments of joy? The short answer to that profound, emotional moral question is: Freedom of the Will and an eternal afterlife of bliss, void of any pain or suffering.

On moral evil, God gives us freedom to choose what to do rather than use us as puppets, rendering us soulless. However, with this freedom, some people unwittingly inflict suffering onto themselves, while others inflict it onto other human beings. As for natural evil (earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, etc), such phenomena are requirements for sustaining a stable, functioning earth, thus maintaining the survival of human creatures lucky to escape the fatal consequences of the above.

For instance, in a Godless universe, a tsunami killing thousands of people is both good and bad: bad for those unfortunate people who suffered and died, but good for the marine life which feasts on the victims who drowned. This brings us on to the subject of Heaven: does it exist and will the victims of tsunamis or other fatal misfortunes, both moral and natural, go there?

For if it does exist, then any Christian who drowned and was killed in a tsunami or any other natural disaster and is redeemed by God, will have his or her earthly sufferings curtailed while entering the bliss of eternal life in Heaven.

Does Heaven Exist?

Does i heaven exist? I hope so. But I will just live as of it doesn't, and this life is all we have. Because it seems far fetched and false.

 

[ding]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

 

[Mindful]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

 

[ding]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Not for me it isn’t.

 

[Mindful]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Not for me it isn’t.

Oh well. If it's about You, that's all that matters, isn't it?

 

[ding]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Here’s the thing... people like you are drawn to these discussions for a reason. You have convinced yourself that you know why, but you don’t.

You are here because something is missing.

 

[ding]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Not for me it isn’t.

Oh well. If it's about You, that's all that matters, isn't it?

It’s never been about me.

 

[Mindful]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Here’s the thing... people like you are drawn to these discussions for a reason. You have convinced yourself that you know why, but you don’t.

You are here because something is missing.

Someone like You, my dear.

 

[Mindful]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Not for me it isn’t.

Oh well. If it's about You, that's all that matters, isn't it?

It’s never been about me.

How long is 'never'?

 

[ding]

Do you believe in near-death experiences, Ding?

Have you ever had one?

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Here’s the thing... people like you are drawn to these discussions for a reason. You have convinced yourself that you know why, but you don’t.

You are here because something is missing.

Someone like You, my dear.

No. I have nothing to do with it. I am your convenient excuse.

 

[Mindful]

Ding, how long are you going to talk in code? I was associated with 'listeners' on ships once. But I'm not that good at deciphering.

 

[ding]

I’ve never had one.

I don’t know what to believe about them. I concern myself with the journey not the destination. That works itself out.

Nice of you to come for a 'conversation' with me, Ding. Must be what Heaven is like.

I had an 'experience' once. When I was coming out of some sort of anaesthetic. I accept it for what it was. Still think on it sometimes. It was like a big dose of oxytocin.

Not for me it isn’t.

Oh well. If it's about You, that's all that matters, isn't it?

It’s never been about me.

How long is 'never'?

Since since you first started conversing with me until now.

 

[ding]

Ding, how long are you going to talk in code? I was associated with 'listeners' on ships once. But I'm not that good at deciphering.

No code. I can’t give you a serious answer until you ask serious questions. The game is yours.