The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice. Is Christianity a moral creed?

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    The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice. Is Christianity a moral creed?

    I find Christianity immoral for substitutionary atonement as well as many others of their moral tenets.

    Without the blood sacrifice of Jesus, Christianity fails as a salvific religion.

    We could thump all day with passages that both support blood sacrifice as well as quote the many passages against it as shown with both types of quotes in this link.



    Recognizing that there are many contradictory passages in scriptures, let’s ignore them all and just look at the morality of substitutionary atonement.

    Scriptures tell us that to perfect our wisdom, we must get out of the Christian theology. I think that those passages are asking us to confirm our thinking with analogies that do not include Christian dogma.

    With that in mind, I offer an analogy for discussion.

    Scriptures say we are all children of God.

    Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.

    Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?

    In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended?

    Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?

    For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.

    Do you agree that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. Do you agree that to abdicate personal responsibility or use a scapegoat is immoral?

    If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice.

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    Don't forget it's also important in Christianity to drink blood and eat flesh
     
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    You use Satan's Symbol as your Avatar, and you are the enemy of Christianity!
     
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    Human sacrifice is not the cornerstone of Christianity. I'd like to say "Nice try" in moving the attempt to move the goal posts, but it didn't even rise to the level of "foolish attempt", only to the level of complete ignorance of both Christ and Christianity.
     
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    You confuse Christianity with Judaism.
    Just recherche why Jews where expelled from 109 places since AD250

    YEAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .PLACE

    250 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
    415 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
    554 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Clermont (France)
    561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocèse of Uzès (France)
    612 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
    642 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
    855 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
    876 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
    1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
    1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
    1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
    1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
    1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
    1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
    1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
    1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
    1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
    1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
    1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
    1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
    1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
    1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
    1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
    1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
    1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
    1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
    1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
    1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
    1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
    1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
    1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
    1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
    1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
    1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
    1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
    1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
    1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
    1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
    1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
    1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
    1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
    1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
    1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
    1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
    1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
    1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
    1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
    1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
    1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
    1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
    1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
    1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
    1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
    1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
    1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
    1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
    1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
    1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
    1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
    1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
    1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
    1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
    1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
    1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
    1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
    1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
    1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
    1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
    1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
    1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
    1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
    1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
    1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
    1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
    1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
    1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
    1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
    1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
    1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
    1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
    1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
    1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
    1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
    1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
    1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
    1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
    1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
    1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
    1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
    1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
    1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
    1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
    1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
    1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
    1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alsace
    1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
    1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
    1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lbeck & Bremen
    1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
    1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
    1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
    1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Areas in the U.S. under General Grant's Jurisdiction[1]
    1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
    1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
    1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
    1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
    1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas
    1948 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Arab Countries

    109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250
     
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    Yes. There is tremendous power in communion but only if you have faith.

    But since you don’t have faith you will never be able to test it for yourself.
     
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    You don’t believe in God so your interpretations are meaningless.
     
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    Only in remembrance, but still sick in the head.

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    I am a man and your Satan is a female. Have you not looked at how the iconography at the Vatican portrays her?

    Thanks for showing your low level of knowledge and why you resort to name calling instead of thinking.

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    Thanks for showing your lack of knowledge of Christian dogma.

    Educate us though on how you will save yourself from hell without Jesus.

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