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Zone1 Correcting misconceptions
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JW,s dont murder anyone.
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The calendar year of Islam begins not with the birthday of our prophet (peace be on him), not from the time that the revelation came to him (Bethat) nor from the time of his ascension to heaven, but with the migration (Hijra) from an undesirable environment into a desirable place to fulfill Allah's command. It was migration from a plot that was set by the leaders of the Quraysh who were plotting to kill prophet Muhammad, and to destroy the truth that today is being conveyed to mankind everywhere against tyranny and injustice. Their purpose was to destroy the foundation of the Islamic state, the Sunnah of the tradition of the prophet, and to prevent the revelation being delivered by Allah's messenger to mankind.
The Islamic calendar is reckoned from the time of migration (Hijra) of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) from Mecca to Madina. The Prophet's decision to migrate from Mecca came after several years of inhuman treatment of the faithful by the powerful tribes who were united despite all their feuds to stop the spread of Islam.
Prophet Mohammad's decision to leave Mecca coincided with the infidel's plan to assassinate him. In 622 AD, the Quresh tribesmen held a meeting and decided that a band of young men, one from each tribe, should assassinate Prophet Mohammad collectively so that their responsibility for the murder could not be placed on any particular tribe.
On the eventful night, the Prophet asked his cousin Ali Ben Abutalib to take his place in bed to make the Meccans think that he was asleep. The Prophet himself slipped out unobserved alongwith his loyal follower Abu Bakr (who was chosen as the first C aliph after the death of the prophet). They secretly made their way to a cave named Thawr, not far from Mecca and lay in hiding there for a day or two until Abu Bakr's son reported that the search for him had been given up. Then the two set out from Madina on camel back. They reached Quba, on the edge of the Madina oasis, on 12th Rabiul Awwal. With Mohammad's arrival in Quba a new phase of his career and glory of Islam started.
This migration has a special significance in the history of Islam. It ended the Meccan period of humiliation and torture and began the era of success. His own people to whom he preached Islam for 13 years neglected the Prophet of Islam. But he was cordially received in Madina as an honored chief.
In Madina his power enhanced day by day. Here he was not only the religious leader but took the role of a politician and statesman too. Prophet Mohammad expired ten years after his migration to Madina but only in one decade he changed the course of human history.
In view of this special significance of the Prophet's migration the consultative body advised the Second Islamic Caliph, Omar ben Khattab, to start the Islamic year from the date of migration of the Prophet from Mecca to Madina.
According to early Moslem scholars, Abu Musa Al Shari drew attention of Omar to an improperly dated debenture or IOU which was payable in the month of Shaban but it was not clear which Shaban was actually meant, the present one or the coming one. Omar called the dignitaries for consultation who made several suggestions to begin the Islamic calendar.
Ali (who later became the fourth caliph) suggested the Hijra as the beginning of the Islamic year with Moharram as its first month. Consequently, Caliph Omar in 21 A.H. or 641 A.D introduced the Islamic calendar in its present form.
QURANIC GUIDANCE
The guidance about the Islamic calendar is taken from the following verses from the Holy Quran: (In the name of GOD most gracious and most merciful)
"Lo the number of the months with God is twelve months." IX:36.
"They ask thee, of new moons. Say: They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage." II:189.
"He it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." X:5
The Islamic Calendar of 12 Lunar Months is determined by observation of the new moon with no effort by intercalation (addition) or other means to synchronize the Lunar year with the Solar year.
Life Of The Final Messenger - Muhammad pbuh (Seerah) - 12 Hijrah (Migration) - Mufti Ismail Menk
Amir Ibn Fuhayra (ra): The Guide on the Hijrah | The Firsts | Dr. Omar Suleiman
لله أكبر!! سيدة إنجليزية تنطق بالشهادة بعد أن اكتشفت أنها مسلمة ولا تعرف
ملحد يسأل شمسي عن الخمر في الجنة Speaker's corner
The Islamic calendar is reckoned from the time of migration (Hijra) of Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) from Mecca to Madina. The Prophet's decision to migrate from Mecca came after several years of inhuman treatment of the faithful by the powerful tribes who were united despite all their feuds to stop the spread of Islam.
Prophet Mohammad's decision to leave Mecca coincided with the infidel's plan to assassinate him. In 622 AD, the Quresh tribesmen held a meeting and decided that a band of young men, one from each tribe, should assassinate Prophet Mohammad collectively so that their responsibility for the murder could not be placed on any particular tribe.
On the eventful night, the Prophet asked his cousin Ali Ben Abutalib to take his place in bed to make the Meccans think that he was asleep. The Prophet himself slipped out unobserved alongwith his loyal follower Abu Bakr (who was chosen as the first C aliph after the death of the prophet). They secretly made their way to a cave named Thawr, not far from Mecca and lay in hiding there for a day or two until Abu Bakr's son reported that the search for him had been given up. Then the two set out from Madina on camel back. They reached Quba, on the edge of the Madina oasis, on 12th Rabiul Awwal. With Mohammad's arrival in Quba a new phase of his career and glory of Islam started.
This migration has a special significance in the history of Islam. It ended the Meccan period of humiliation and torture and began the era of success. His own people to whom he preached Islam for 13 years neglected the Prophet of Islam. But he was cordially received in Madina as an honored chief.
In Madina his power enhanced day by day. Here he was not only the religious leader but took the role of a politician and statesman too. Prophet Mohammad expired ten years after his migration to Madina but only in one decade he changed the course of human history.
In view of this special significance of the Prophet's migration the consultative body advised the Second Islamic Caliph, Omar ben Khattab, to start the Islamic year from the date of migration of the Prophet from Mecca to Madina.
According to early Moslem scholars, Abu Musa Al Shari drew attention of Omar to an improperly dated debenture or IOU which was payable in the month of Shaban but it was not clear which Shaban was actually meant, the present one or the coming one. Omar called the dignitaries for consultation who made several suggestions to begin the Islamic calendar.
Ali (who later became the fourth caliph) suggested the Hijra as the beginning of the Islamic year with Moharram as its first month. Consequently, Caliph Omar in 21 A.H. or 641 A.D introduced the Islamic calendar in its present form.
QURANIC GUIDANCE
The guidance about the Islamic calendar is taken from the following verses from the Holy Quran: (In the name of GOD most gracious and most merciful)
"Lo the number of the months with God is twelve months." IX:36.
"They ask thee, of new moons. Say: They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage." II:189.
"He it is who appointed the sun a splendor and the moon a light, and measured for her stages, that ye might know the number of the years, and the reckoning." X:5
The Islamic Calendar of 12 Lunar Months is determined by observation of the new moon with no effort by intercalation (addition) or other means to synchronize the Lunar year with the Solar year.
Life Of The Final Messenger - Muhammad pbuh (Seerah) - 12 Hijrah (Migration) - Mufti Ismail Menk
Amir Ibn Fuhayra (ra): The Guide on the Hijrah | The Firsts | Dr. Omar Suleiman
لله أكبر!! سيدة إنجليزية تنطق بالشهادة بعد أن اكتشفت أنها مسلمة ولا تعرف
ملحد يسأل شمسي عن الخمر في الجنة Speaker's corner
Michael1985
Platinum Member
Some Christians claim that pigs are not forbidden in Christianity, and they deduce this with flimsy evidence
It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.”
((Matthew 15:11 ►)
In fact, this saying has nothing to do with banning pigs or not, but rather as part of a response to the Jews when they reproached the disciples of Jesus for not washing their hands before eating. On the contrary, the intention of the Lord Christ with his words is to show that moral impurity is far more dangerous than physical impurity.
” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
Matthew 15:11-20
1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places.
It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine,
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why
pork is forbidden.
2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible
prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you
The laws of God are one from Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them
the worship of the One God (the Father) and not of a human being or an idol or anything you can imagine
and Prohibition of fornication, alcohol and pork
Dr Zakir Naik proved that having Pork is prohibited haraam in Islam as well as in Christianity
لماذا ناقض بولس التلاميذ في قوانين الطعام والشريعة؟
I gave it up years ago when I started to believe OT laws as something believers should also do.
Bob Blaylock
Diamond Member
- Banned
- #25
Some Christians claim that pigs are not forbidden in Christianity, and they deduce this with flimsy evidence
It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.”
((Matthew 15:11 ►)
In fact, this saying has nothing to do with banning pigs or not, but rather as part of a response to the Jews when they reproached the disciples of Jesus for not washing their hands before eating. On the contrary, the intention of the Lord Christ with his words is to show that moral impurity is far more dangerous than physical impurity.
” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
Matthew 15:11-20
1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places.
It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine,
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why
pork is forbidden.
2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible
prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you
The laws of God are one from Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them
the worship of the One God (the Father) and not of a human being or an idol or anything you can imagine
and Prohibition of fornication, alcohol and pork
Dr Zakir Naik proved that having Pork is prohibited haraam in Islam as well as in Christianity
لماذا ناقض بولس التلاميذ في قوانين الطعام والشريعة؟
See Acts 10:10-16, and Acts 11:4-10. Peter is given a vision wherein it is made clear that it is thereafter acceptable for Christians to eat the meat of animals previously considered to be “unclean”.
Bob Blaylock
Diamond Member
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لماذا يستحلّ المسيحيون كل الطعام برغم تحريم بعض الطعام عليهم؟ - حوار حمزة مع مسيحي
Why do Christians eat all food even though some food is forbidden to them? Hamza's dialogue with a Christian
It appears that you are a Muslim, presuming to tell us Christians what our beliefs are or should be.
Why should any Christian look to you to tell us our beliefs, any more than you, as a Muslim, would look to us Christians to tell you what your beliefs are?
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However, there is one fact that we must bear in mind, and that is that Christ came as a fixer of the Torah and a confirmation of what was declared therein:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5:17-18
Christ prevented eating pork and some other animals
So spoke Christ. . . How did Peter speak? . . ! ?
Peter abolished the law.
So . ... . All the beasts of the earth. . Even monsters and pigs. . . Nothing is forbidden anymore.According to Peter's words
Do we believe the words of Christ or the story of Peter and other Bible legends?
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Be careful,my brother
Death will come at any moment
And you will stand before God
God will hold you accountable for your actions
God will ask you
Why not follow the right religion?
Why did you not worship the one God as all the prophets said?
Why did not you look and care about that?
Who will save you from the punishment of God and who can save you?
As I have always said
You should go to Islamic centers
For specialists in Islam
You must know and learn Arabic
May God guide you to the right path
Islam is not just another religion. It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God. It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone. It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine. The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:
“Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)[4]
I am a Muslim
My father and mother Muslims
But
In fact, the original
Any child born a Muslim and on instinct
Parents to change the religion of their son, Christian or Jewish or Buddhist ..... And so on
At the age of young people and understanding of things around us
Anyone can study and comparison of religions, including
To know the truth
- A very important point
Must communicate the message of Islam to all
You are free to choose
I chose
Only
After the study and comparison, and full conviction of the mind and heart
As well as
I'll leave them the opportunity to study and comparison and selection
For example
Yusuf Estes .Abdurraheem Green,.........
Christian missionary, but now Muslim, and so on
To talk about Islam and the Qur'an and Sunnah
The duty of every Muslim man and woman and this is from allah
allah says in the Holy Qur'an ((125) Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guidedghtly] guided
Should and must provide advice and guidance to him
And fully know the truth
then you are free to choice
256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5:17-18
Christ prevented eating pork and some other animals
So spoke Christ. . . How did Peter speak? . . ! ?
Peter abolished the law.
So . ... . All the beasts of the earth. . Even monsters and pigs. . . Nothing is forbidden anymore.According to Peter's words
Do we believe the words of Christ or the story of Peter and other Bible legends?
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
2-
Be careful,my brother
Death will come at any moment
And you will stand before God
God will hold you accountable for your actions
God will ask you
Why not follow the right religion?
Why did you not worship the one God as all the prophets said?
Why did not you look and care about that?
Who will save you from the punishment of God and who can save you?
As I have always said
You should go to Islamic centers
For specialists in Islam
You must know and learn Arabic
May God guide you to the right path
Islam is not just another religion. It is the same message preached by Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Islam literally means ‘submission to God’ and it teaches us to have a direct relationship with God. It reminds us that since God created us, no one should be worshipped except God alone. It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine. The concept of God is summarized in the Quran as:
“Say, He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He does not give birth, nor was He born, and there is nothing like Him.” (Quran 112:1-4)[4]
I am a Muslim
My father and mother Muslims
But
In fact, the original
Any child born a Muslim and on instinct
Parents to change the religion of their son, Christian or Jewish or Buddhist ..... And so on
At the age of young people and understanding of things around us
Anyone can study and comparison of religions, including
To know the truth
- A very important point
Must communicate the message of Islam to all
You are free to choose
I chose
Only
After the study and comparison, and full conviction of the mind and heart
As well as
I'll leave them the opportunity to study and comparison and selection
For example
Yusuf Estes .Abdurraheem Green,.........
Christian missionary, but now Muslim, and so on
To talk about Islam and the Qur'an and Sunnah
The duty of every Muslim man and woman and this is from allah
allah says in the Holy Qur'an ((125) Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guidedghtly] guided
Should and must provide advice and guidance to him
And fully know the truth
then you are free to choice
256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower
من مُعادٍ كاره إلى مؤمن محب - رحلة إيمان يورام فان كلافيرين
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All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, whichproceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
3.Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.
“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of theGreek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even theGreek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realisethat the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that theHoly Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me”.The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
قصة جميلة ليهودية اعتنقت الإسلام | من اليهودية إلى الإسلام
The Absolute TruthAbout Muhammad in the Bible
هل نبوءة أشعياء 42 عن النبيّ محمد؟ - حوار حمزة مع جوزيف اليهودي
Is the prophecy of Isaiah 42 about the Prophet Muhammad? Hamza's dialogue with Joseph the Jew
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, whichproceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
3.Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7: “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.
“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of theGreek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even theGreek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realisethat the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that theHoly Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me”.The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
قصة جميلة ليهودية اعتنقت الإسلام | من اليهودية إلى الإسلام
The Absolute TruthAbout Muhammad in the Bible
هل نبوءة أشعياء 42 عن النبيّ محمد؟ - حوار حمزة مع جوزيف اليهودي
Is the prophecy of Isaiah 42 about the Prophet Muhammad? Hamza's dialogue with Joseph the Jew
- Thread starter
- #29
When one reads the passages where Isma'il (= Ishmael, peace be upon him) is mentioned, one will see quite obvious indications of corruption:
The reason is also obvious: The Jewish elite were racists (that's obvious from a lot of passages in the Bible itself) and thought that Prophethood could only apply to themselves and tried to extinguish any passages, which establish Prophethood for other than them.
- An example would be that in Genesis 16 an angel appears to Hagar and gives her the glad tidings that she will have a son with the name Ishmael and then ends up telling her that he will be a wild donkey of a man, which does not make any sense in the context of the glad tidings given to her.
The stranger thing is that if one just changes the vowels in Hebrew (such that the written word remains the very same word!), then the meaning becomes completely in-line with the context and that is being fruitful. What is even stranger is that this is the very reading found in the Samaritan Torah!
- Another example is that in Genesis 21 it's claimed that Ishmael (peace be upon him) - who must have been a youngster at that time - was mocking Isaac (peace be upon him) - who was a little child - and that's why Sarah asked Abraham (peace be upon him) to send Ishmael and his mother away [to the desert].
Now the really strange thing is that when it's described how Hagar and her son are in the desert, every single description connected to Ishmael (peace be upon him) indicates him to be a LITTLE CHILD and NOT a youngster in any way or form as the Jewish racists who played around with these passages like us make to believe.
This is very important, because it means that significant changes have been made to these passages in order to justify the belief that only the children of Isaac (peace be upon him) were blessed and part of the eternal covenant of God.
- What is even stranger is that according to the same Bible the lineage of Ishmael (peace be upon him) is also blessed (see Genesis 17) and that they will be a great nation (and this passage indicates towards Prophethood being amongst them!), but the racist Jews could not hold themselves back from diminishing the rank of Ishmael even in this context and acted as if the covenant only applies to their branch.
To their dismay the gematria - which is a tool that these Jews use for understanding these texts, because they themselves have invented this tool in order to hide specific things from other people - of this passage even contains the very number of the name our noble Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
These issues are nowhere simple coincidence, rather they indicate towards corruption at the hands of the Jews.
{ And [mention, O Muḥammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with words [i.e., commands] and he fulfilled them. [Allāh] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [Allāh] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers." }
[English interpretation of the Aya 2:124 of the noble Qur`an]
So while in the Bible precedence is given to people simply based upon their race, the Qur`an gives precedence based upon righteousness.
It should be obvious what is important in the sight of God.
And by the way: Does God BLESSING Ishmael (peace be upon him) and making him a great nation mean that he and his offspring will be a bunch of pagans and disbelievers?! Please use a little bit common sense.
As for Paran, then it's the place where Ishmael (peace be upon him) and his offspring lived and this according to the Bible itself.
حمزة يحرج زائر أمام زوجته ويفضح كذبة حرية التعبير عند الغرب
بوذي يتناسى ما يحدث للمسلمين الروهينجا من قبل البوذيين ويسأل منصور: أين الحب والسلام عند المسلمين؟
هاشم ينسف عقيدة مسيحيين | إله لكنه ليس إلهاً
فتاة عمرها 14 انجليزية أسلمت من قبل والحين 17 - قمة جديدة - شمسي #sfdawahArabic #Sfdawah#
The reason is also obvious: The Jewish elite were racists (that's obvious from a lot of passages in the Bible itself) and thought that Prophethood could only apply to themselves and tried to extinguish any passages, which establish Prophethood for other than them.
- An example would be that in Genesis 16 an angel appears to Hagar and gives her the glad tidings that she will have a son with the name Ishmael and then ends up telling her that he will be a wild donkey of a man, which does not make any sense in the context of the glad tidings given to her.
The stranger thing is that if one just changes the vowels in Hebrew (such that the written word remains the very same word!), then the meaning becomes completely in-line with the context and that is being fruitful. What is even stranger is that this is the very reading found in the Samaritan Torah!
- Another example is that in Genesis 21 it's claimed that Ishmael (peace be upon him) - who must have been a youngster at that time - was mocking Isaac (peace be upon him) - who was a little child - and that's why Sarah asked Abraham (peace be upon him) to send Ishmael and his mother away [to the desert].
Now the really strange thing is that when it's described how Hagar and her son are in the desert, every single description connected to Ishmael (peace be upon him) indicates him to be a LITTLE CHILD and NOT a youngster in any way or form as the Jewish racists who played around with these passages like us make to believe.
This is very important, because it means that significant changes have been made to these passages in order to justify the belief that only the children of Isaac (peace be upon him) were blessed and part of the eternal covenant of God.
- What is even stranger is that according to the same Bible the lineage of Ishmael (peace be upon him) is also blessed (see Genesis 17) and that they will be a great nation (and this passage indicates towards Prophethood being amongst them!), but the racist Jews could not hold themselves back from diminishing the rank of Ishmael even in this context and acted as if the covenant only applies to their branch.
To their dismay the gematria - which is a tool that these Jews use for understanding these texts, because they themselves have invented this tool in order to hide specific things from other people - of this passage even contains the very number of the name our noble Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
These issues are nowhere simple coincidence, rather they indicate towards corruption at the hands of the Jews.
{ And [mention, O Muḥammad], when Abraham was tried by his Lord with words [i.e., commands] and he fulfilled them. [Allāh] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] said, "And of my descendants?" [Allāh] said, "My covenant does not include the wrongdoers." }
[English interpretation of the Aya 2:124 of the noble Qur`an]
So while in the Bible precedence is given to people simply based upon their race, the Qur`an gives precedence based upon righteousness.
It should be obvious what is important in the sight of God.
And by the way: Does God BLESSING Ishmael (peace be upon him) and making him a great nation mean that he and his offspring will be a bunch of pagans and disbelievers?! Please use a little bit common sense.
As for Paran, then it's the place where Ishmael (peace be upon him) and his offspring lived and this according to the Bible itself.
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most Christians who throw away the old testament easily, if a Muslim rejects a single verse in the Quran he becomes a kafir (non-Muslim).
Problem is most don't follow the 10 commandments, especially today. I have a Christian co-worker who loves to tell me the religion is evil. But I've caught him in multiple lies, seen him steal from the company and he cheats on his wife.
People can reject it all the way to the grave but the One who sent the Torah, Injeel and Quran is the same deity. The God of Abraham. Of course you are gonna find similar rules, at-least with what man has not managed to edit.
Why did God send prophets such as Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them?
To warn us against following the polytheists and atheists who are corrupt in the land and those who doubt the path and the straight path of God, who cares about the interest of the whole society.
Freedom in thinking and creativity does not mean deviating from God’s commandments, and every person does what he wants according to his personal whims, even if the person harms himself or others.
Because in this case, the criteria for good and bad will differ from one person to another
What seems true to you will seem incorrect to another person because the constant criterion is personal interest only
Example
Homosexuality is a deviation and destruction of offspring in the land and has serious medical damage to both parties
But for some people, homeopathy is harmless
And agree his personal interest
is actually the logic behind why Catholics believe in a realm or state called "Limbo", because of infants dying they are not pure enough to enter into heaven because of inheriting Original Sin, so they are in this in-between state until the day of judgement. Purgatory is similar but doesn't have the same pre-mortal aspects to it.
We on the other hand believe in Fitrah, that the soul is created pure and that it is the interaction with sin in the world, and temptations of Shaitan (Satan) that makes it needing of repentance - which is also why God sends Prophets and messengers to give us the map of salvation.
We do believe in an intermediate state, called Barzakh, but it doesn't function like the intermediate states in Christian theology.
In Islamic theology, a soul is accountable only for it's own actions, whether it is good or bad to itself or towards others.
A large number of Filipino soldiers pronounce the Shahada and convert to Islam
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UK Gangster Reveals the Real Reason Why prisoners Convert to Islam
U.S. Military Officer's Fascinating Journey to Islam
Muay Thai World Champion Shocked the World by Unexpected Conversion!
A Muslim's Smile Transformed this Film Director's Life Forever
A Muslim's Smile Transformed this Film Director's Life Forever
Problem is most don't follow the 10 commandments, especially today. I have a Christian co-worker who loves to tell me the religion is evil. But I've caught him in multiple lies, seen him steal from the company and he cheats on his wife.
People can reject it all the way to the grave but the One who sent the Torah, Injeel and Quran is the same deity. The God of Abraham. Of course you are gonna find similar rules, at-least with what man has not managed to edit.
Why did God send prophets such as Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them?
To warn us against following the polytheists and atheists who are corrupt in the land and those who doubt the path and the straight path of God, who cares about the interest of the whole society.
Freedom in thinking and creativity does not mean deviating from God’s commandments, and every person does what he wants according to his personal whims, even if the person harms himself or others.
Because in this case, the criteria for good and bad will differ from one person to another
What seems true to you will seem incorrect to another person because the constant criterion is personal interest only
Example
Homosexuality is a deviation and destruction of offspring in the land and has serious medical damage to both parties
But for some people, homeopathy is harmless
And agree his personal interest
is actually the logic behind why Catholics believe in a realm or state called "Limbo", because of infants dying they are not pure enough to enter into heaven because of inheriting Original Sin, so they are in this in-between state until the day of judgement. Purgatory is similar but doesn't have the same pre-mortal aspects to it.
We on the other hand believe in Fitrah, that the soul is created pure and that it is the interaction with sin in the world, and temptations of Shaitan (Satan) that makes it needing of repentance - which is also why God sends Prophets and messengers to give us the map of salvation.
We do believe in an intermediate state, called Barzakh, but it doesn't function like the intermediate states in Christian theology.
In Islamic theology, a soul is accountable only for it's own actions, whether it is good or bad to itself or towards others.
A large number of Filipino soldiers pronounce the Shahada and convert to Islam
أحد أشهر الباحثين الأمريكيين يدخل الإسلام ويتصدى للإلحاد بالقرآن – Reputable Doctor Refutes Atheism!
UK Gangster Reveals the Real Reason Why prisoners Convert to Islam
U.S. Military Officer's Fascinating Journey to Islam
Muay Thai World Champion Shocked the World by Unexpected Conversion!
A Muslim's Smile Transformed this Film Director's Life Forever
A Muslim's Smile Transformed this Film Director's Life Forever
ninja007
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islam is a manmade religion, its totally false leading billions to hell.
ninja007
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DO MUSLIM'S BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE?
Muslim's claim to believe in the torah (torat) and the writings of David, the Psalms (zabur) and the Gospel (Injil). However when it comes to the Bible in our hands today they consider it corrupted, not being accurate as it was written. Because of this God gave the restored truth to Mohammed which is written down in the Qur'an. They claim the Qur'an is the full and final revelation of God, and that Mohammed is the seal of all the prophets. Their claim is that Mohammed’s writings are verbally inspired having in their possession an absolute perfect copy, so it supersedes the Bible. Because of this view the Bible is always interpreted by what the Qur'an says first. When becoming engaged in a conversation with a Muslim one quickly finds themselves confronted with circular reasoning. What the Qur'an does is abolish the authority of the Bible. Their Injil says Jesus never died or resurrected. When asked, how do you know the Qur'an is true? They answer because Mohammed said so. How do you know he is the prophet, the Qur'an says so. So they go in a circle to prove either one.
When you ask the Muslim to consider Christianity they can’t because of the misrepresentation of it from the Qur'an. They don’t really know what we believe. They think we believe in three gods, the father the mother and the son. They think Jesus is the Son of God literally begotten, that he was conceived by sex. Son of God means sex and an offspring with God. I have a problem with someone who disbelieves what they don’t understand and doesn't take the time to look at what we mean.
The Qur'an is comprised of 114 revelations of Mohammed that are reported to be mostly spoken in pain from him twisting on the ground in convulsions. There is no prophet in scripture that received the word of God in this manner.
The Muslim claims the Qur'an was written in Arabic, which they claim is the language of heaven on a stone tablet in heaven having no human author. However we find the Qur'an is not written in 100% Arabic but has some Hebrew, Persian and even Greek words. If Arabic is the language of heaven and the Qur'an was dictated perfectly why does the Qur'an contains foreign words that are Hebrew, Greek and Persian. This contradiction should be evident to all.
If one were to ask where the original manuscript is there are no solid answers. The average Muslim will insist they know it is in their possession, but scholars know better. To not have the original and to not know where it is, not a tenable position to take. Especially when one states the Qur'an is a perfect book of revelation, correcting the Bible. How can Mohammed have had this done in all there languages? Are all three spoken in heaven?
Mohammed is considered a universal prophet yet he has communicated to us in Arabic. The only miracle he has done is writing the Qur'an which can be understood only by those who speak Arabic. But if you don’t speak it you must believe the miracle that he is the prophet to the whole world anyway. They want to convert the whole world to speak Arabic because that is the Holy language. The miracle is related to language. Every time you take a verse in English and challenge them they will say that is not a correct translation; you don’t understand the language. How can God, who is to speak to all people through his prophet, restrict himself to one particular language? They claim God spoke to Mohammed in the language of his people only and that no one else can understand because they claim Arabic the language of heaven! In contrast Jesus' commission commands that God's message be communicated to every persons culture and in their own languages. In other words we are to bring God's message to them not them to God's message.
This is why when someone becomes a Muslim it is necessary to take an Arab name, A new convert’s name is to be changed to the Islamic equivalent of his name. Speak Arabic, dress like an Arab, eat only what Arabs eat, pray facing toward Mecca. This is a religion exclusively to the Arab culture of the Middle East.
If we are to accept the Qur'an as an inspired message than it must pass the test that the previous books did. First it must be in agreement with the former revelation of holy writings because they supposedly came from the same source that is the one God. Just as in the Old Testament. they tested a prophet by the standard of the scripture if they spoke in harmony with the word of God and the former prophets. Since the Qur'an comes 500 years after, it too must comply with the tested words of scripture. If we are to accept the Muslims argument of the Bible being corrupted this means God could not preserve His Word. If He failed to do this for the Bible what makes one think he would not fail to do this for the Qur'an? There are no guarantees. If a Muslim rejects the Bible he must also reject the Qur'an because Mohammed appeals to the Bible as an authority. If he accepts the Bible he must then reject the Qur'an, because of the contradictory stories that challenge essential eternal truths.
How can a Muslim really know the Bible is corrupted, what do they have to compare it to? How did Mohammad know this if he could not read or write and did not possess a Bible in Arabic? The answer of the Qur’an being accepted as absolutely true because Mohammad said so is unacceptable. As the God of the Bible consistently asks the seeker to test and to prove what he says to see if it is true. So He invites our inquiry, He does not discourage it.
While the Muslim is more than willing to debate whether the Bible and Christianity is true, a non Muslim does not have the same freedom to criticize their Quranic literature. This is considered an affront to the Muslim to question their holy book. As Christians we are not afraid of someone questioning the validity of scripture since we feel they will stand the scrutiny of any skeptic many of whom have become believers in the process. Others outside Islam are not afforded this opportunity. Especially in a nation that may be Muslim.
Mohammed lived in 600 A-D. Today we have whole manuscripts going back to 300 A.D. which is 300 years before he was born. We also have separate letters that predate all of these by a few hundred years all of which give an accurate representation of the original writings (autographs.)
Mohammed used to say to the Christian of his day “Go and look at your Bible, your Bible will tell you what I’m saying is true. “ He appeals to the Bible at least twenty five times, the lesser will always appeal to the greater or that which is equal. Today we have the same Bible that Mohammed was pointing to in his day. It has not changed, so why is there such a conflict not only in these areas but also in so many other crucial teachings?
What the Muslim will say -Mohammed was not referring to the New Testament, but to the Torah. Because it is said of Christians, “ they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them” (Sura 5:15).
They believe the Qur’an was verbally dictated by the angel Gabriel which are based on eternal tablets that are in heaven. If the Qur’an is eternal and God is eternal then we have two eternals, Islam does not believe there are two but only one eternal, that is God.
Naturally if there is a conflict it must be in the Bible and not their own book. When one looks at history we find a majority of religion's that have been started from angel's, Islam is no exception to this. Angels have always been involved in bringing revelation to mankind. They have also been involved in bringing false information. Can the same angel say two different things on the same subject and they both be true? Obviously not, yet this is exactly what has transpired in the Qur'an. There is something else operating here that proves it is not the angel Gabriel as they claim.
In their own Suras (chapter's) it states that God's word cannot change so if an angel several hundreds of years later comes with a different story, which one are we suppose to believe? Take for example the angel Gabriel's announcement of the Christ to Mary, he told her he would be called the Son of God (which means having the same nature as God) Luke 1:35 also in Matthew 1:23 he would be called Emmanuel, “ God with us.” This is the same angel that told Mohammed that God has no son, and that God is unable to incarnate.
Obviously these are two contradictory accounts of a major teaching, the incarnation. How can God be the author of both and how can the angel Gabriel give differing revelations several hundred years apart if this is a quote from Isaiah 7:14 in the Old Testament and literally fulfilled in the New Testament by Jesus and Mary.
What we need to understand is that Mohammed had no Bible available in his native tongue, there was no Arabic translation until at least 200 years after he lived. So how did he know about the Bible? How could he say it was corrupted if he could not read it? (remember he is illiterate) There seems to be a lot of evidence of Mohammed picking up these stories from his meeting different people along the trade route. The Nestorians established monasteries on the caravan routes and entertained travelers like Muhammad. Mohammad also learned from Arab nomads that sat around campfires at night telling their corrupted stories of the Bible. Many of the stories predate Islamic literature and were already circulating in Mohammed’s time (such as the Arabian fables of Genies and jinn). It is for this very reason the Qur'an has contradictions such as the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Ishmael and not Isaac.
The Qur'an goes as far as to say Abraham is considered the first Muslim because he submitted to Allah Sura 3:67. Abraham was not a Jew not yet a Christian but was an upright man who surrendered and he was not of the idolaters. (Also Sura 21:40) “Abraham in truth was not a Jew, neither a Christian, but he was a Muslim.” The Bible calls him a Jew, the Jews consider him a Jew and so did Jesus. Everyone does except the Muslims. In the Qur'an it states Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are Muslim, they live and die for Islam. These are all foreign words for their time so they are clearly put in after the fact.
Is the Qur'an in concert with the Bible? Islam does claim that their teachings are in harmony with our scriptures but it is their book that is the accurate one. Muslims hold a high view for all Scriptures, both the Old and New Testaments, but they give a supreme position to the Qur'an. According to them, initially, it was never written down by men and so was never tainted with men's thoughts or styles. For these reasons it is often alluded to as the “Mother of Books” (From Sura 43:3-4).
The Qur'an states, “We have sent down to thee the book (Qur'an) with the truth, confirming the book (Bible) that was before it and assuring it. I agree that it should confirm the book preceding it, so let's compare the Qur'an with the Bible.
In the Genesis account referred to in the Qur'an we have contradictions to the Biblical record. Sura 41:9-10,12 says in 2 days God created the earth: 41:9 “Who created the earth in two Days? 41:12 “So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command.” It took God 4 days to sculpt and form the mountains and the rivers, and then in 2 days he turned and finished the heavens. The Qur'an is self contradictory on this. What they do is add it up, so it states God took 8 days to create the world, this is a calculation of 4 days + 2 days + 2 days=8 days. Gen.1:31 says it took 6 days and God rested from his work on the seventh day (the God of the Bible that is). The Muslims answer is there is corruption on the part of the Bible. However there is no evidence of this in the Hebrew text or history, we still have the order of 7 days a week. This creation event is referred to in numerous other passages in the Bible Ex.20:11 God repeats that the world was created in 6 days and rested the 7th, He gives the nation of Israel the Sabbath as a covenant to commemorate this event. It states on the 7th day they too are to rest. The Quran has very little to say about the Sabbath except to bring guilt upon the Jews. 2:65 And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected” (also 4:154; 7:163; 16:124). To sum this teaching up when we look at all the information it becomes quite confusing. The Qur'an also states Allah created everything “in the twinkling of an eye” Sura 54:49,50, “Who created the earth in two Days” 41:9,12, “in four Days” 41:10, “who created the heavens and the earth in six days” 7:54; 10:4,32:4. 57:4 “He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days.” Sura 50:38 “We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days” (whose the “we”? I thought God is one)
What makes the Qur'an an enigma is that it is called a perfect revelation. The Qur'an also contradicts itself; “a Day,” is equal to “a thousand years” 32:5 and it is also “fifty thousand years” 70:4. Yet if one looks at Sura 7:51 and 10:3 it agrees with the biblical account of 6 days the world was created. So there is not only a contradiction with the Qur'an and the Bible, but three passages in their own book as well. Muslims instead of facing the inconsistency will usually do mathematical gymnastics. Adding 4+2+2 and come up with 6 instead of 8, the reason is 4 is divisible by 2 and so 4 is really 2, but the Arabic says 4 days +2 +2.
There is the account of Mt. Sinai being lifted up and held over the heads of the Jews as a threat for rejecting the law Sura 7:171. But the Jews did not reject the law there is no such thing in the Bible, but there is from the 2nd century Jewish apocryphal book, the Abodah Sarah.
Haman lived in Egypt, worked under Pharaoh and built a high tower to ascend up to the God of Moses built the tower of Babel during which time Noah's flood took place, (Sura 28:38; 29:38; 40:25,38). The name Haman is found in the story of Esther in Babylon, 1,000 years after Pharaoh. Some Muslims believe that the reference here is simply to another Haman, yet the name Haman is not Egyptian, but uniquely a Babylonian name. (Pfander 1835:283-284).
In Sura 7:124 Pharaoh advises his sorcerers by threatening them with death on a cross. In Sura 12:41, the baker in the story of Joseph is told he would be crucified. History shows there were no crosses in those days so this is in accurate history.
In Sura 11 one of Noah's son was drowned in the waters “So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!" (11:42). Not only does this contradict the Bibles account but the Qur'an contradicts itself. The son replied: “I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water.” ... “And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.,… . The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: “Away with those who do wrong!” And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: “O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!” He said: “O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!”
Did the ark land on mount Judi? did any of Noah's family drown in the flood? Genesis 7:13 “On the very same day Noah and Noah's sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and Noah's wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark. Genesis 9:18-19 “Now the sons of Noah who went out of the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. And Ham was the father of Canaan. These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.”
The Bible record is clear those who went into the ark all came out alive, (they were locked in) none were lost. If his whole family was saved then one of his sons could not have drowned.
There is also another discrepancy, in Sura 11:40 “At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: “Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family ...”
The Bible does not say two of each kind only. Gen. 7:2 “You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female” it then says “two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female.” V. 9 “two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah.”
You may think this is splitting hairs, but the Lord is very specific and so is the record handed down to us. The Bible is not wrong.
The Qur'an states in Sura 20:85-87, 95-97 that it was a Samaritan who molded the calf at mount Horeb, though the term Samaritan was not coined until several hundred years later, in 722 B.C. (Pfander 1835:284) Samaritans came from the Jews intermarrying in the Babylonian captivity.
In Sura 19:10 it states Zacharias is speechless for only three days, while the Bible states it lasted the entire nine months of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, until John was born.
In Sura 19:22 we are told Mary gave birth under a palm tree. The Bible says in a stable, with animals (Lk.2:1-20) which were actually in the caves in the cliffs back then. The Koran (chap. 3) confuses the virgin Mary; the family is there called the family of Amram, or Imram. How can this be God inspired when such obvious mistakes are made? The two Mary's lived over1,500 years apart (Suras 18:28; 66:12; and 20:25-30). Because it was Mohammed who confused the Mary who is the mother of Jesus with the Mary who is the sister of Moses and Aaron and the daughter of Imran, attributing Jesus birth to her. (Sura 19:28). This and other passages show that Mohammed lacked understanding of basic Bible history.
They claim Abraham was the first to believe, Sura 6:14 but in Sura 7:143 they say it was Moses.
The Qur'an states the Abraham and Nimrod were enemies, Nimrod cast Abraham into a fire but he came safely out. These two people are separated by a thousand years according to the Bible.
Much like the book of Mormon, on almost every story like the fall of man, Moses, Noah, Joseph and numerous others, the Biblical accounts are contradicted. Name, dates, events, phrases are used that are not from the periods the Qur'an gives them. There are accounts of the apocryphal stories within the Quranic literature which implies that they were using whatever stories were available at the time. Scholars who have examined the dialect of the type of Arabic spoken of in the Qur'an have focused its source to someone in the Quarish tribe written in the 7th Century.
Hadith's are oral traditions handed down and were transcribed after Mohammed's death. They are accounts of what the prophet said and did and explain his approval of certain things said and done. It is a 2nd body of literature in authority to the Qur'an and some considered them essential to understanding the Qur'an.
The Hadith states in Vol. 6 Hadith 509 the revelations after Mohammed's death were scattered on palm leaves, rocks, bones, tree bark and animal skin. Hadith 63 vol.1 and Vol.4 709 “ the Caliph Uthmann got the Qur'an compiled and sent a few of its copies to far off places Uthmann wrote the manuscripts of the holy Qur'an in the form of a book. In Bukhari 6:525, 526 Qatada. and Anas relate that in the time, of the prophet before Uthman's rule , four people “collected” the Qur'an: Ubai, Mu'adh, Zaid bin Thabit, and Abu Zaid. In Bukhari 1:63 Anas relates', “Uthman got the Qur'an compiled and sent a few of its copies to far off places.” Bukhari 4:709, says, “Uthman... wrote the manuscripts of the Holy Qur'an in the form of a book'. Even after the manuscript was put together, they found that they had missed some verses (Bukhari vol. 4, no. 62; vol.6, no. 510).
Uthman wrote his translations 644-656 AD and was given official approval. All other conflicting materials were destroyed (Miller response p.52, approach p.27 found in the facts on Islam Ankerberg and Weldon (also Hadith vol.1 #63 vol.4 #709 vol.6 #510 )
History shows there are missing verses and conflicting stories and so he made his own copy and he forced it on every one else telling them to burn all the other versions that conflict with his copy. The Shiites claim he removed 25% of the text. Whatever is the true story, we can be sure that the Bible does not have this type of background nor was it written in this manner.
“There was no definitive written text of the Qur’an while Muhammad was still alive, but the structure of the suras (chapters) and their titles may have been influenced by the Prophet. Muslims generally believe that the authorized version of the Qur’an derives its text and the number and order of the chapters from the work of a commission appointed by the third caliph (Islamic political leader), Uthman ibn Affan, during the second half of his reign, roughly 20 years after Muhammad’s death.
The most widely accepted history of this Uthmanic text is that the commission relied upon a written copy of the entire text that was collected from written and oral versions within two years of the Prophet’s death during the reign of the first caliph, Abu Bakr. Written versions had been created by those who acted as Muhammad’s secretaries and wrote down the revelations as the Prophet received them. Oral versions existed because some of Muhammad’s companions had memorized several chapters. The commission thus succeeded in establishing a complete text.
Different readings of certain words and verses, however, continued for a long time. This was due to differences among dialects of Arabic and deficiencies in the script used for writing at that time. Although Arabic script shows the characteristics of a consonantal script, there are several cases where the same form of writing was used to represent more than one consonant without any distinguishing mark. Even if there were agreement on the consonants, some words could be read in different ways because the earliest copies of the Qur’an were transcribed without symbols to represent certain vowels. Diacritical marks were added to the text a few generations after its creation, but the Uthmanic text was probably not accepted as a definitive text until the beginning of the 4th century of the Islamic calendar (10th century ad). In the 20th century an Egyptian edition printed in 1924 became the official text throughout the Islamic world.
The Uthmanic or canonical text represents a different sequence than the order in which Muhammad reportedly received the revelations. The chapters, after the short opening chapter called al-Fatihah, are arranged roughly in descending order of length. Because the first revelations are the shorter chapters, they are assigned to the end. It is not known why the chapters were arranged in this way, but this order has been preserved since the Uthmanic text was established. (Encarta Encyclopedia 2003)
“And in their prophets footsteps we (Who's the we that is found throughout the Qur'an)? {Elohim, perhaps} sent Jesus the Son of Mary confirming the Torah that had come before him: we sent him with the Gospel; therein was the guidance and the light. And the confirmation of the Torah that had come before him; a guidance and a admonition to those who fear Allah” Surah 5:46.
Now this verse of the Qur'an is the turn around. If God sent Jesus to confirm the Torah (The first five books of the Bible's Old Testament), then the Torah of Jesus' time are what the people read and Jesus quoted from. Jesus confirms that it was the same Torah God gave to Moses. In fact, it is proven that it is the same one we have today. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that what we have today is what they were reading in their time. The arguments made are not factual but are founded on prejudice against Christianity and preference for Islam. One needs to be open and do their homework to see the conflicts.
ninja007
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most Christians who throw away the old testament easily, if a Muslim rejects a single verse in the Quran he becomes a kafir (non-Muslim).
Problem is most don't follow the 10 commandments, especially today. I have a Christian co-worker who loves to tell me the religion is evil. But I've caught him in multiple lies, seen him steal from the company and he cheats on his wife.
People can reject it all the way to the grave but the One who sent the Torah, Injeel and Quran is the same deity. The God of Abraham. Of course you are gonna find similar rules, at-least with what man has not managed to edit.
Why did God send prophets such as Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them?
To warn us against following the polytheists and atheists who are corrupt in the land and those who doubt the path and the straight path of God, who cares about the interest of the whole society.
Freedom in thinking and creativity does not mean deviating from God’s commandments, and every person does what he wants according to his personal whims, even if the person harms himself or others.
Because in this case, the criteria for good and bad will differ from one person to another
What seems true to you will seem incorrect to another person because the constant criterion is personal interest only
Example
Homosexuality is a deviation and destruction of offspring in the land and has serious medical damage to both parties
But for some people, homeopathy is harmless
And agree his personal interest
is actually the logic behind why Catholics believe in a realm or state called "Limbo", because of infants dying they are not pure enough to enter into heaven because of inheriting Original Sin, so they are in this in-between state until the day of judgement. Purgatory is similar but doesn't have the same pre-mortal aspects to it.
We on the other hand believe in Fitrah, that the soul is created pure and that it is the interaction with sin in the world, and temptations of Shaitan (Satan) that makes it needing of repentance - which is also why God sends Prophets and messengers to give us the map of salvation.
We do believe in an intermediate state, called Barzakh, but it doesn't function like the intermediate states in Christian theology.
In Islamic theology, a soul is accountable only for it's own actions, whether it is good or bad to itself or towards others.
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Christian scholars are the ones who proved the distortion of the Bible
see here
Scientists have proven the validity of the Qur’an scientifically, historically and morally
God promised to preserve the Qur’an
see here
1-
Christ spoke the Aramaic language
However, you will not find the original source of the Bible as a reference for Christians in the Aramaic language, but only translations in different languages such as Greek and other languages. You do not have a reliable and original source to correct the mistakes of the writers and the incorrect translation.
Since it was written in a language that most people do not understand, which is the Aramaic language, and they claim that Christ was sent to all nations, although he was sent only to the lost sheep of the Children of Israel.
Every prophet came to convey God's message to his people according to their language
The fact is there are 40,000 Christian sects. We can fill a football stadium with Christians, every one of them can have different beliefs. Every one of them calling themselves Christian. Every one of them having Different beliefs then you.
Can you not wrap your head around how insane this is?
How anyone can argue the Bible is not changed today is amazing honestly. Seriously, they literally continue to change it even today!
Why such variance in viewpoints? To begin with, different theological camps disagree on which books should be included in the Bible. One camp’s apocrypha is another’s scripture. Secondly, even among those books that have been canonized, the many variant source texts lack uniformity. This lack of uniformity is so ubiquitous that The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible states, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”[2]
Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible? Hard to believe.
Maybe
The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament.[3] Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars…. And some of these differences are significant.”[4] Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have?
A lot of manuscripts
A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another. Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000.[5] In Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[6]
secondly
The Qur’an is in Arabic because the people of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, used to speak Arabic
But wait, the Qur'an is universal, not only for Arabs
Because you have an original source for the Qur’an, which is the Arabic language in which the Qur’an was revealed, even if there is an error in one of the translations to interpret the meanings of the Qur’an.
You have an original source to correct the translation
Islam is universal religion and holy Quran and islamic narrations and supplications are translated in to almost every language in the world.
the door of salvation, happiness, prosperity and felicity is open for all mankind in the universe.
Actually, there is NO Command in either Quran or Ahadith that it should ONLY be read in Arabic
Imagine, if you can’t understand Arabic, what would be the point of having it then?
You can read in any language you understand
Quran came in Arabic because it was best language, with maximum capacity to contain meanings and depth, thus Arabic being a biggest vessel for greatest Book is best match.
Though it is best to know Quran in original language but it is not a pre-condition. Arabic should be learnt. Most non-Arabic Muslims learn how to read Arabic, and they read in Arabic with help of side by side translations.
A Quran as Book must have Arabic text, then any translation can be given.
It is commanded to convey message of Quran to all world. It will be impossible to wait first to teach everyone Arabic then convey. Convey in their language. Learn and teach them Arabic too.
It is universal in the sense that anyone can become a Muslim. Speaking Arabic is not a prerequisite to becoming Muslim.
If a person wants to understand the Quran they can either learn Arabic (and the associated knowledge) or they can go to someone who already has.
If a non Arab wants to understanding the Quran then translations in every language are available.
Recently radiocarbon dated copy of the 7th century Quran at the University of Birmingham.A 1,500-year-old parchment may be one of the oldest known copies of the Qur'an, possibly dating back to a time that straddled the life of the Prophet Muhammad, according to researchers who recently dated the fragments of the manuscript.
The text was radiocarbon dated, which measured the age of organic materials from the find. Researchers at the University of Birmingham, UK, found that the sheets of parchment dated back to AD 568 and AD 645.
Susan Worrall, director of special collections at the University of Birmingham, said in a statement.
"Radiocarbon dating has delivered an exciting result, which contributes significantly to our understanding of the first written copies of the Quran",
The Prophet Muhammad is said to have lived between AD 570 and 632 and, according to Muslim tradition, he received the revelations that make up the Quran between AD 610 and 632.These sheets date back to the end of the 6th or the beginning of the 7th century. They were discovered in the library of the University of Birmingham where they had been kept for almost 100 years without anyone suspecting their age.
Oldest version of the Quran at the University of Birmingham - YouTube
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Third
The arrangement of the verses of the Qur’anthe Qur’an
And the arrangement of the verses of each surah in implementation of the order of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when God revealed the Qur’an to the Prophet in this order
. This is not the subject of any disagreement among Muslims.
God promised to preserve the Qur’an
God says in the Qur’an
(2)
Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’ān[583] that you might understand.
Why was the Qur'an revealed in Arabic?
خبير عربي مزيف يدّعي أن القرآن باللغة السيريانية وليس بالعربية فتم فضح جهله
A fake Arab expert claims that the Qur’an is in Syriac and not in Arabic, so his ignorance was exposed
Why was the Qur'an revealed in Arabic?
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Dead Sea Scrolls
The first of these manuscripts was found in Qumran caves on the west coast of the Dead Sea in 1947. It is said that the first discovered by a young Bedouin was looking for a lost goat.
The task of verifying the authenticity of the parts of the manuscripts began after the Bible specialists said that they had examined 13 parts who had not been studied before in the museum, that there is a "strong possibility" that 'A number of these manuscripts are recently false.
The Washington museum sent five of 16 copies for verification in Germany, according to
National Geographic affirms that more than 200 pages written by art researchers Fraud Insights recognize that manuscripts are false. Although it has probably been printed on old leather, in fact, it has a number of differences marked compared to the more than 100,000 real fragments of the old text.
A team led by the investigator on the artistic fraud Collette Lull notes that the counterfeit took place using leather from ancient leather sandals found in Roman times,
"We are victims of false statements, victims of fraud," said the director general of the museum, Harry Hargrave, in an announcement concerning the discovery of fraud on Friday.
Q&A: Muslim View of Dead Sea Scrolls - Dr. Shabir Ally
اÙØ´ÙØ® عثÙا٠ÙÙاج٠ÙاعظÙÙ | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park
Christian scholars are the ones who proved the distortion of the Bible
see here
Scientists have proven the validity of the Qur’an scientifically, historically and morally
God promised to preserve the Qur’an
see here
Scientists' comments on Quran
Scientists' comments on Quran1-
Christ spoke the Aramaic language
However, you will not find the original source of the Bible as a reference for Christians in the Aramaic language, but only translations in different languages such as Greek and other languages. You do not have a reliable and original source to correct the mistakes of the writers and the incorrect translation.
Since it was written in a language that most people do not understand, which is the Aramaic language, and they claim that Christ was sent to all nations, although he was sent only to the lost sheep of the Children of Israel.
Every prophet came to convey God's message to his people according to their language
The fact is there are 40,000 Christian sects. We can fill a football stadium with Christians, every one of them can have different beliefs. Every one of them calling themselves Christian. Every one of them having Different beliefs then you.
Can you not wrap your head around how insane this is?
How anyone can argue the Bible is not changed today is amazing honestly. Seriously, they literally continue to change it even today!
Why such variance in viewpoints? To begin with, different theological camps disagree on which books should be included in the Bible. One camp’s apocrypha is another’s scripture. Secondly, even among those books that have been canonized, the many variant source texts lack uniformity. This lack of uniformity is so ubiquitous that The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible states, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”[2]
Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible? Hard to believe.
Maybe
The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament.[3] Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars…. And some of these differences are significant.”[4] Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have?
A lot of manuscripts
A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another. Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000.[5] In Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”[6]
secondly
The Qur’an is in Arabic because the people of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, used to speak Arabic
But wait, the Qur'an is universal, not only for Arabs
Because you have an original source for the Qur’an, which is the Arabic language in which the Qur’an was revealed, even if there is an error in one of the translations to interpret the meanings of the Qur’an.
You have an original source to correct the translation
Islam is universal religion and holy Quran and islamic narrations and supplications are translated in to almost every language in the world.
the door of salvation, happiness, prosperity and felicity is open for all mankind in the universe.
Actually, there is NO Command in either Quran or Ahadith that it should ONLY be read in Arabic
Imagine, if you can’t understand Arabic, what would be the point of having it then?
You can read in any language you understand
Quran came in Arabic because it was best language, with maximum capacity to contain meanings and depth, thus Arabic being a biggest vessel for greatest Book is best match.
Though it is best to know Quran in original language but it is not a pre-condition. Arabic should be learnt. Most non-Arabic Muslims learn how to read Arabic, and they read in Arabic with help of side by side translations.
A Quran as Book must have Arabic text, then any translation can be given.
It is commanded to convey message of Quran to all world. It will be impossible to wait first to teach everyone Arabic then convey. Convey in their language. Learn and teach them Arabic too.
It is universal in the sense that anyone can become a Muslim. Speaking Arabic is not a prerequisite to becoming Muslim.
If a person wants to understand the Quran they can either learn Arabic (and the associated knowledge) or they can go to someone who already has.
If a non Arab wants to understanding the Quran then translations in every language are available.
Recently radiocarbon dated copy of the 7th century Quran at the University of Birmingham.A 1,500-year-old parchment may be one of the oldest known copies of the Qur'an, possibly dating back to a time that straddled the life of the Prophet Muhammad, according to researchers who recently dated the fragments of the manuscript.
The text was radiocarbon dated, which measured the age of organic materials from the find. Researchers at the University of Birmingham, UK, found that the sheets of parchment dated back to AD 568 and AD 645.
Susan Worrall, director of special collections at the University of Birmingham, said in a statement.
"Radiocarbon dating has delivered an exciting result, which contributes significantly to our understanding of the first written copies of the Quran",
The Prophet Muhammad is said to have lived between AD 570 and 632 and, according to Muslim tradition, he received the revelations that make up the Quran between AD 610 and 632.These sheets date back to the end of the 6th or the beginning of the 7th century. They were discovered in the library of the University of Birmingham where they had been kept for almost 100 years without anyone suspecting their age.
Oldest version of the Quran at the University of Birmingham - YouTube
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Third
The arrangement of the verses of the Qur’anthe Qur’an
And the arrangement of the verses of each surah in implementation of the order of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, when God revealed the Qur’an to the Prophet in this order
. This is not the subject of any disagreement among Muslims.
God promised to preserve the Qur’an
God says in the Qur’an
(2)
Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’ān[583] that you might understand.
Why was the Qur'an revealed in Arabic?
خبير عربي مزيف يدّعي أن القرآن باللغة السيريانية وليس بالعربية فتم فضح جهله
A fake Arab expert claims that the Qur’an is in Syriac and not in Arabic, so his ignorance was exposed
Why was the Qur'an revealed in Arabic?
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Dead Sea Scrolls
The first of these manuscripts was found in Qumran caves on the west coast of the Dead Sea in 1947. It is said that the first discovered by a young Bedouin was looking for a lost goat.
The task of verifying the authenticity of the parts of the manuscripts began after the Bible specialists said that they had examined 13 parts who had not been studied before in the museum, that there is a "strong possibility" that 'A number of these manuscripts are recently false.
The Washington museum sent five of 16 copies for verification in Germany, according to
National Geographic affirms that more than 200 pages written by art researchers Fraud Insights recognize that manuscripts are false. Although it has probably been printed on old leather, in fact, it has a number of differences marked compared to the more than 100,000 real fragments of the old text.
A team led by the investigator on the artistic fraud Collette Lull notes that the counterfeit took place using leather from ancient leather sandals found in Roman times,
"We are victims of false statements, victims of fraud," said the director general of the museum, Harry Hargrave, in an announcement concerning the discovery of fraud on Friday.
Q&A: Muslim View of Dead Sea Scrolls - Dr. Shabir Ally
اÙØ´ÙØ® عثÙا٠ÙÙاج٠ÙاعظÙÙ | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park
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- The differences and contradictions in the Bible and this especially between the 4 canonical gospels regarding the same incidents (an example was already given), clearly indicate that these works were not divinely inspired, but rather simply man-made biographical works by unknown authors.
- The "god of the OT" seems to be quite different to the "god of the NT". In the OT "god" commands the killing of infants (!!!), while in the NT it's stated that we should let our enemies slap the other cheek, when they slap one cheek.
- The OT presents God as being One and stresses His Oneness. It's also clear that God is not a man and as such any seemingly anthropomorphistic description can be interpreted in accordance to context and language.
In the NT however there seems to be a varying degree of attempts among its different authors to present Jesus (peace be upon him) as divine or divine-like. While some gospels go clearer into that direction (like that of John), others can be understood much more in line with the OT such that Divinity is not affirmed for Jesus (peace be upon him), but rather him being a Messenger of God and the Messiah.
- In the OT different Prophets like Abraham and Jacob (peace be upon both them) are [falsely] portrayed as having a major flaw in their character such that of lying (as shown here) and deceiving.
Considering the fact that God is the Absolute Truth and that there are even non-Prophets who lack this major flaw in character, it doesn't seem logical at all that God would choose liars and deceivers as His Prophets and as those who proclaim His revelation to the people.
There are also other indications, but the above should be enough in order to see that the Bible as presented by the Jews and Christians can not be completely from God.
Proving Jesus (P.B.U.H) Is Not God, Dr Zakir Naik Quoting Bible For Straight One Minute
أول لقاء بين محمد حجاب وجون عابد الشيطان
عثمان بن فاروق يقلب الطاولة على مبشرتين مسيحيتين
شاب وفتاة يعتنقان الإسلام ثم يتزوجان بعدها مباشرة | عثمان بن فاروق
شمسي في حوار جميل وهادئ يشرح الإسلام لزوجين غير مسلمين
- The "god of the OT" seems to be quite different to the "god of the NT". In the OT "god" commands the killing of infants (!!!), while in the NT it's stated that we should let our enemies slap the other cheek, when they slap one cheek.
- The OT presents God as being One and stresses His Oneness. It's also clear that God is not a man and as such any seemingly anthropomorphistic description can be interpreted in accordance to context and language.
In the NT however there seems to be a varying degree of attempts among its different authors to present Jesus (peace be upon him) as divine or divine-like. While some gospels go clearer into that direction (like that of John), others can be understood much more in line with the OT such that Divinity is not affirmed for Jesus (peace be upon him), but rather him being a Messenger of God and the Messiah.
- In the OT different Prophets like Abraham and Jacob (peace be upon both them) are [falsely] portrayed as having a major flaw in their character such that of lying (as shown here) and deceiving.
Considering the fact that God is the Absolute Truth and that there are even non-Prophets who lack this major flaw in character, it doesn't seem logical at all that God would choose liars and deceivers as His Prophets and as those who proclaim His revelation to the people.
There are also other indications, but the above should be enough in order to see that the Bible as presented by the Jews and Christians can not be completely from God.
Proving Jesus (P.B.U.H) Is Not God, Dr Zakir Naik Quoting Bible For Straight One Minute
أول لقاء بين محمد حجاب وجون عابد الشيطان
عثمان بن فاروق يقلب الطاولة على مبشرتين مسيحيتين
شاب وفتاة يعتنقان الإسلام ثم يتزوجان بعدها مباشرة | عثمان بن فاروق
شمسي في حوار جميل وهادئ يشرح الإسلام لزوجين غير مسلمين
converts to Islam 
and shock in the Christian WestHe could not resist that extra bottle . We have a "jesus" in most pubs over here . You must have heard them :- " Oh yes I met that Abraham last year , and that Satan guy came round for a chat last week.... ".And so on . We do not reject them . Simply refuse to buy them a drink for their silly stories .Yet you don't believe the words of Christ.
The apostles were faithful in carrying Christ's message. Muhammad was not
Jesus revealed Himself as the "I Am" of th Bible.
He said He "saw Satan fall from heaven"
He said He met Abraham.
You reject Him
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The problem with Christians is that they follow the words of the unknown scribes and Paul, who destroyed the original doctrine of Christ, and do not follow the true teachings of Christ.
And they believe superstition,
consider the following statement of Jesus: This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent. I have glorified you on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.[John 17:3-4]
God is the father only
Jesus is the Prophet of God
The Holy Spirit is an angel who transmits the revelation from the Father to the Prophets
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
To whom does Jesus say this phrase to the Jews or to the Muslims?? Or for the Christians who say that We expel demons in the name of God?
Of course,
the Christians who say that we cast out demons in the name of God
they are neither Muslims nor Jews, because they do not consider Christ a God or son of god
أحمد ديدات عودة المسيح وأسبابها
Christ rejects Christians on the Day of Resurrection...! Hashem in conversation with a Christian woman - Speakers Corner - (Hyde Park - London)
المسيح يرفض النصارى يوم القيامة ...! هاشم في حوار مع سيدة مسيحية - ركن المتحدثين - (هايد بارك - لندن)
Q&A: "Before Abraham Was, I Am"
And they believe superstition,
consider the following statement of Jesus: This is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent. I have glorified you on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.[John 17:3-4]
God is the father only
Jesus is the Prophet of God
The Holy Spirit is an angel who transmits the revelation from the Father to the Prophets
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
To whom does Jesus say this phrase to the Jews or to the Muslims?? Or for the Christians who say that We expel demons in the name of God?
Of course,
the Christians who say that we cast out demons in the name of God
they are neither Muslims nor Jews, because they do not consider Christ a God or son of god
أحمد ديدات عودة المسيح وأسبابها
Christ rejects Christians on the Day of Resurrection...! Hashem in conversation with a Christian woman - Speakers Corner - (Hyde Park - London)
المسيح يرفض النصارى يوم القيامة ...! هاشم في حوار مع سيدة مسيحية - ركن المتحدثين - (هايد بارك - لندن)
Q&A: "Before Abraham Was, I Am"
Maybe Islam is the answer" - Is Liam Neeson considering to become a Muslim? | Islam Channel
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Some Christians claim that pigs are not forbidden in Christianity, and they deduce this with flimsy evidence
It’s not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth.”
((Matthew 15:11 ►)
In fact, this saying has nothing to do with banning pigs or not, but rather as part of a response to the Jews when they reproached the disciples of Jesus for not washing their hands before eating. On the contrary, the intention of the Lord Christ with his words is to show that moral impurity is far more dangerous than physical impurity.
” Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.” “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
Matthew 15:11-20
1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places.
It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine,
and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.”
[Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why
pork is forbidden.
2. Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible
prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth
not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch,
they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud,
it is unclean unto you
The laws of God are one from Adam to Muhammad, peace be upon them
the worship of the One God (the Father) and not of a human being or an idol or anything you can imagine
and Prohibition of fornication, alcohol and pork
Dr Zakir Naik proved that having Pork is prohibited haraam in Islam as well as in Christianity
لماذا ناقض بولس التلاميذ في قوانين الطعام والشريعة؟
Christians are under the new covenant Jesus brought= Love. We are not under Mosaic law covenant. In your thinking then it should be ok to stone one to death if they are unrepentent. That wouldnt work out well would it?
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I'm still going to eat ham and cheese sandwiches and omlettes.
Even a shrimp cocktail and lobsters.
Food choices have no value except to make someone be judgemental towards others.
That's it.
So when someone claims they please God with their food choices they are claiming to be "Holier than thou".
Yeah....
God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.
So I'll continue with cheeseburgers and ham and cheese and pork chops.
Even a shrimp cocktail and lobsters.
Food choices have no value except to make someone be judgemental towards others.
That's it.
So when someone claims they please God with their food choices they are claiming to be "Holier than thou".
Yeah....
God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.
So I'll continue with cheeseburgers and ham and cheese and pork chops.
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